TMS wrote:isn't it hilarious how all MIL had to give up to take Salmons off CHI's hands was Hakim Warrick & Joe Alexander who they had essentially given up on already? meanwhile we have to give up Jordan Hill, a 2012 #1 & swap rights in 2011 to dump Fishlips & DW gets hailed as a genius for making the move?

Shows how desperate we were to free up cap space for next year.

Like you, I wanted to have Hill stay around and develop into a solid player here, but maybe Walsh and MDA have seen something in him during practice that we are not privy to.

I also don't like losing the draft picks, but the better we become in the next few years, the less valuable our picks, and Walsh has to proceed on the assumption that our fortune will begin to turn for the better beginning next year.

Boston's pick in 2011 would have been some consolation-but obviously the Celts were not willing to give one up to us even though it probably would have been in the 20's.

So it goes.

Paladin55 wrote:

TMS wrote:isn't it hilarious how all MIL had to give up to take Salmons off CHI's hands was Hakim Warrick & Joe Alexander who they had essentially given up on already? meanwhile we have to give up Jordan Hill, a 2012 #1 & swap rights in 2011 to dump Fishlips & DW gets hailed as a genius for making the move?

Shows how desperate we were to free up cap space for next year.

Like you, I wanted to have Hill stay around and develop into a solid player here, but maybe Walsh and MDA have seen something in him during practice that we are not privy to.

I also don't like losing the draft picks, but the better we become in the next few years, the less valuable our picks, and Walsh has to proceed on the assumption that our fortune will begin to turn for the better beginning next year.

Boston's pick in 2011 would have been some consolation-but obviously the Celts were not willing to give one up to us even though it probably would have been in the 20's.

So it goes.

bro, if DW decided Jordan Hill wasn't worth holding onto, i don't got a problem with it... i may not agree but he sees more than i do... but still, the 2011 swap rights only being top 1 protected & the 2012 pick only being top 5 protected seems like he just got the wool pulled over his eyes to me... u got teams like CHI dealing their albatross contracts & only having to give up a pair of 2nd rounders & a 1st rounder swap rights with top 10 protection... why didn't Donnie approach MIL w/an offer of Jordan Hill, our 2 second round picks & swap rights protected to 10 for them to take Fishlips' contract? u telling me that's not a better package than John Salmons & 2nd round picks from the Bulls?

TMS wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

TMS wrote:isn't it hilarious how all MIL had to give up to take Salmons off CHI's hands was Hakim Warrick & Joe Alexander who they had essentially given up on already? meanwhile we have to give up Jordan Hill, a 2012 #1 & swap rights in 2011 to dump Fishlips & DW gets hailed as a genius for making the move?

Shows how desperate we were to free up cap space for next year.

Like you, I wanted to have Hill stay around and develop into a solid player here, but maybe Walsh and MDA have seen something in him during practice that we are not privy to.

I also don't like losing the draft picks, but the better we become in the next few years, the less valuable our picks, and Walsh has to proceed on the assumption that our fortune will begin to turn for the better beginning next year.

Boston's pick in 2011 would have been some consolation-but obviously the Celts were not willing to give one up to us even though it probably would have been in the 20's.

So it goes.

bro, if DW decided Jordan Hill wasn't worth holding onto, i don't got a problem with it... i may not agree but he sees more than i do... but still, the 2011 swap rights only being top 1 protected & the 2012 pick only being top 5 protected seems like he just got the wool pulled over his eyes to me... u got teams like CHI dealing their albatross contracts & only having to give up a pair of 2nd rounders & a 1st rounder swap rights with top 10 protection... why didn't Donnie approach MIL w/an offer of Jordan Hill, our 2 second round picks & swap rights protected to 10 for them to take Fishlips' contract? u telling me that's not a better package than John Salmons & 2nd round picks from the Bulls?

You're comparing John Salmons to Jared Jeffries. There's your problem right there.

TMS wrote:please, John Salmons has been erradic all year... don't tell me having a #8 lottery selection from last year's draft is worth less than John Salmons.

Erratic all year yet has a much better career than Jeffries. He can score and defend. His contract isn't even close to being as terrible as Jeffries. Salmons contributes to a team. He helped the Bulls out last year for their playoff run.

Alexander has been a bust in Milwaukee but Warrick is a decent signing for them. Salmons just fills the Bucks need at SG with Redds' injury.

nyk4ever wrote:well when teams know that we're trying to get as much cap room as possible, they are going to try and squeeze us for whatever we got. walsh seems to think that the added capspace is more important than what he gave up. i respect that and hope it works out.

sorry but i can't respect a GM who got fleeced in a trade as much as DW did in this trade... there were clearly other viable options out there to dump Fishlips' contract... Jordan Hill, our 2 2nd round picks & swap rights with top 10 protection in 2011 should have been enough to get MIL to accept that deal for Warrick & Joe Blow... hell, i woulda made that trade & let them keep Warrick & taken Kurt Thomas back instead if they wanted & still think we make out much better than we did in this T-Mac deal.

Childs2Dudley wrote:

TMS wrote:please, John Salmons has been erradic all year... don't tell me having a #8 lottery selection from last year's draft is worth less than John Salmons.

Erratic all year yet has a much better career than Jeffries. He can score and defend. His contract isn't even close to being as terrible as Jeffries. Salmons contributes to a team. He helped the Bulls out last year for their playoff run.

Alexander has been a bust in Milwaukee but Warrick is a decent signing for them. Salmons just fills the Bucks need at SG with Redds' injury.

Kurt Thomas & Francisco Elson would have been just as acceptable for me... i wouldn't even give a crap about getting Warrick from MIL, just get them to take Fishlips' contract & throw them back Jordan Hill & our 2 2nd round picks w/swap rights to 10 in next year's draft... to me that's a much more favorable deal for MIL than the one they got from CHI... they get to keep Warrick this season AND they get a promising PF/C to pair up with Bogut in their frontcourt.