fishmike wrote:doesnt matter... the same guys crying about including Hill in a possible trade will be the same ones crying about not having more cap space and why didnt we include Hill to get rid of JJ

Agreed. JJs contract is a killer we need it gone to do anything close to what we are hoping to achieve in 2010. It has to be done!

fishmike wrote:doesnt matter... the same guys crying about including Hill in a possible trade will be the same ones crying about not having more cap space and why didnt we include Hill to get rid of JJ

9 million of cap space has a price. Hill, sure. Hill + 2 potential lottery picks is highway robbery.

WindsorPl wrote:

fishmike wrote:doesnt matter... the same guys crying about including Hill in a possible trade will be the same ones crying about not having more cap space and why didnt we include Hill to get rid of JJ

9 million of cap space has a price. Hill, sure. Hill + 2 potential lottery picks is highway robbery.

It is not robbery. Are you kidding me? First of all we dont lose the 2011 pick, we swap picks. We cannot get two max free agents if we dont get rid of Jeffries, and I am sorry to say, but we have no shot at Wade or James if all we can offer is our knick team and them. They will come if we can bring them along with another star. Something Wade and Lebron have been asking for. If we can create that opportunity we have a spectacular chance of singing them. Otherwise, I really dont see it happening at all. This move has to be made.

BRIGGS wrote:What I would do is commit to playing Jordan Hill and Toney Douglas with many more minutes--make Jordan the starting C and move Lee to PF and use TD as my 6th man with 26-28 minutes. I would NOT trade one pick--contrary I would try to gain picks. The *value of Jordan Hill is at an absolute low--contrary to Cosmics claim of DW genius--dealing with Jordan Hill is dealing with a weak hand. We have cap space---but we also have 2 2s future 1's and than more cap space in 2011. I say stay the course --develop the two young guys and put hard concentration into bringing in good young talent and willing to play them. At this point I would NOT resign David Lee--its too much money---but I would be willing to S+T him if i get some nice assets back. I need Galinari to play smarter and his body looks like he is putting on too much weight for a young guy--and not good weight. He needs to spend the offseason training his body and developing a low post/mid range game. I would not be adverse to trading anyone into the draft if I can get a player I really wanted.

WindsorPl wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:What I would do is commit to playing Jordan Hill and Toney Douglas with many more minutes--make Jordan the starting C and move Lee to PF and use TD as my 6th man with 26-28 minutes. I would NOT trade one pick--contrary I would try to gain picks. The *value of Jordan Hill is at an absolute low--contrary to Cosmics claim of DW genius--dealing with Jordan Hill is dealing with a weak hand. We have cap space---but we also have 2 2s future 1's and than more cap space in 2011. I say stay the course --develop the two young guys and put hard concentration into bringing in good young talent and willing to play them. At this point I would NOT resign David Lee--its too much money---but I would be willing to S+T him if i get some nice assets back. I need Galinari to play smarter and his body looks like he is putting on too much weight for a young guy--and not good weight. He needs to spend the offseason training his body and developing a low post/mid range game. I would not be adverse to trading anyone into the draft if I can get a player I really wanted.

I agree, including the Lee s+t. Memphis needs a rebounder and they have tons of draft picks. I love Lee and he is an all star, his value is high and this is the time to monetize it.
I would add trading for a pg, Acie, DG or Sergio. Anybody else besides Duhon please.

Id like to have Lee back--but after watching eh Knicks melt--we have to be judicious how we spend. If he wants to come back at 5 years 42.5mm--OK. If not--I cant do that extra 20-30mm with this team. I can give Lee 8mm and change--I cant do more. This team has too many holes to give 1/5 of the cap to Dave.

BRIGGS wrote:

WindsorPl wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:What I would do is commit to playing Jordan Hill and Toney Douglas with many more minutes--make Jordan the starting C and move Lee to PF and use TD as my 6th man with 26-28 minutes. I would NOT trade one pick--contrary I would try to gain picks. The *value of Jordan Hill is at an absolute low--contrary to Cosmics claim of DW genius--dealing with Jordan Hill is dealing with a weak hand. We have cap space---but we also have 2 2s future 1's and than more cap space in 2011. I say stay the course --develop the two young guys and put hard concentration into bringing in good young talent and willing to play them. At this point I would NOT resign David Lee--its too much money---but I would be willing to S+T him if i get some nice assets back. I need Galinari to play smarter and his body looks like he is putting on too much weight for a young guy--and not good weight. He needs to spend the offseason training his body and developing a low post/mid range game. I would not be adverse to trading anyone into the draft if I can get a player I really wanted.

I agree, including the Lee s+t. Memphis needs a rebounder and they have tons of draft picks. I love Lee and he is an all star, his value is high and this is the time to monetize it.
I would add trading for a pg, Acie, DG or Sergio. Anybody else besides Duhon please.

Id like to have Lee back--but after watching eh Knicks melt--we have to be judicious how we spend. If he wants to come back at 5 years 42.5mm--OK. If not--I cant do that extra 20-30mm with this team. I can give Lee 8mm and change--I cant do more. This team has too many holes to give 1/5 of the cap to Dave.

crzymdups wrote:

s3231 wrote:I doubt the validity of this report considering Donnie could have told Hill over the weekend that he would NOT be traded but that apparently did not happen.

Hill has been rattled by the rumors so why didn't Donnie calm him down by dismissing them? Like Bucher saying that the McGrady deal was dead yesterday, this report is also bs. We'll know more by end of day/tomorrow either way.

The scary part is there was a poll yesterday that 80% of Knicks fans would do a trade for McGrady that included Hill, the right to swap picks, and a 2012 unprotected first. How any Knick fan could be willing to give up an unprotected first after the Isiah era baffles me.

we've been sold the summer of Bron for so long, i think a lot of people consider it a given. i don't. but even if this trade gives you the cap room to acquire Joe Johnson and Chris Bosh, I think you have to do it.

Totally agree. If we know we're getting Joe and Chris, I would pull the trigger in a heartbeat. Thing is, we don't know that. Joe Johnson seems like the type of player we may be able to get but honestly, I still think it will be tough to get two players like Bosh and Johnson to leave winning situations.

There has to be protection on that pick, even if it is top 3 or 5 protected. You really have to cover your bases just in case things go terribly wrong.

Gallo is regressing everyday. Wilson just doesn't seem to get how good he can be. Lee I love the guy, but a sign and trade is the best option in the offseason if we don't outright lose him. But, I'm not sure who is going to sign him. The Thunder, Nets, Bulls, Heat are all possible but it's going to take more than Lee in Miami. I would have been open to dealing Lee/Nate/Jefferies to Boston for Ray Allen which I think would have put them over the top, but no one want to add cash.

I think a Douglas-Lebron-Chandler-Gallarnari-Bosh

Could really appeal to Lebron. We can always buy another pick.