isiah's driving...joe d's in the back...

my god...the guy got so lucky with his billups, rip, prince, ben and sheed gamble - and it was a gamble. that stroke of luck lasted 5 years...but then his picks - maxiell, stuckey, etc. and his FA acquisitions of madison square jordan, charlie v, and extensions to rip and prince...along with his head coach hires shows me the guy may just have been more lucky than good.

Wade and Bosh would have been reaches so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, but how he passed up on Melo is just unreal. I honestly dont know how he arrived at such a decision, 'cause Melo was a beast at 'Cuse.

However Wallace was hand delievered to them because no teams wanted to trade with Isiah. The Nets were up 3-2 and closing it out in NJ but Kidd got hurt and they went on to win there title. Shaq got injured the year after in the playoffs. Condition obviously plays a factor.

Dumars has been one of the worst GMs in the league the past 3 years. The Billups trade, Hamilton's extension, not trading Wallace, CV and Gordon in offseason, Kwame Brown, Amir Johnson. And the Darko selection can't be overlooked. That was the worst draft selection maybe of all time, because injury had nothing to do with him not panning out. He also let Okur go for nothing.

Cosmic wrote:

sebstar wrote:Dumars got swept up in that Euro craze from earlier that decade.

Wade and Bosh would have been reaches so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, but how he passed up on Melo is just unreal. I honestly dont know how he arrived at such a decision, 'cause Melo was a beast at 'Cuse.

The funny thing is the Pistons won a title regardless.

They would have been a dynasty with Melo.

The Pistons win a chip in '05 and '07..

sebstar wrote:

Cosmic wrote:

sebstar wrote:Dumars got swept up in that Euro craze from earlier that decade.

Wade and Bosh would have been reaches so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, but how he passed up on Melo is just unreal. I honestly dont know how he arrived at such a decision, 'cause Melo was a beast at 'Cuse.

The funny thing is the Pistons won a title regardless.

They would have been a dynasty with Melo.

The Pistons win a chip in '05 and '07..

cosmic had somw good points. hard 2 say if they would have been the overall team with "stop snitchin"... they still went to back 2 back finals without him. that chemistry issue... hard to find the right mix and when you do, dont flip it up too much.

Dumars did a great job putting the championship team together. The Pistons had an incredible defensive team. Larry is a good coach put he had the best defensive center in the game Wallace and the top 4 defenders in prince and wallace and chancey and rip for in their prime. Not to mention Hunter off the bench. The Lakers were broken by the time they got to the finals.

Hardly the best coaching job. They had a perfect team to take out the lakers. But ever since dumars has been terrible and that includes Michael Curry as the coach, Flip Saunders, etc.

When Joe is down thinking of all the Internet guru's who got their Ms cleo on and can bash him, he can just gaze down on that big ole' ring in his mansion to go along with his other two as a player and drown in his sorrows!

Detroits market roils in 35% unemployment and they must be losing money.

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TMS wrote:

MS wrote:Dumars has been one of the worst GMs in the league the past 3 years.

Rod Thorn has the worst record of any GM in the NBA over the past 3 years & people regard him as the second coming of Christ... at least Dumars has a ring on his finger for his efforts.

Thorn was put in the position of getting the team ready to sell and then rebuilding. Thorn committed to both and did both well. The Nets will have a ton of cap space, alot of young talent that has playing experience, an all star point guard and a cornerstone center who is averaging 19, 9 and 2, and three first round picks including the pick that will probably get them John Wall. He did a great job getting the Clippers east to the finals two years in a row and he has done a great job rebuilding.

those awesome draft selections & trades he's made has directed his team to the worst record in league history & you're ready to give the man props for this? SMH

being sucky enough to land a 25% chance at drafting John Wall doesn't earn any props from me, i'm sorry... i've been an advocate of tanking for prospects in the past but i don't think any GM that goes that route deserves to be praised for the job he did... any monkey with a suit can do the same thing.

i give him props for building that team w/J Kidd, RJ & KMart, but ever since then he's been making some horrible trades... starphuching for Vince Carter for one... then trading Carter away for Courtney Lee to correct that mistake which he should never have made to begin with... & then the J Kidd trade for Devin Harris which was supposed to set them up with a blossoming star & reinvigorate their franchise... doesn't seem to have worked out so well.

as for this cornerstone C who's averaging 19, 9 & 2, if he's so great why aren't they a better team than they are now? D Lee is putting up stats on a crappy team too, does that make him a cornerstone player to build around?