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jusnice
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2/12/2010  9:33 AM
I'm highlighting the parts that resonate with me.

From SI.COM. This column appeared in the Feb. 15, 2010 issue of the magazine.

"Should LeBron James decide to move on this summer as a free agent, 2010 will be to Clevelanders what 2012 was supposed to be to the Mayans. But there's good reason to believe that an Ohio apocalypse will be averted. An informal SI poll of a dozen NBA insiders-team executives, coaches and a high-profile agent-finds only two predicting that James will leave the Cavaliers, with both anticipating he'll jump to the Knicks.

"Every time I fly into Cleveland and drive toward [Quicken Loans Arena] downtown and look around, I just can't see him re-signing there," said an Eastern Conference executive whose team is not in the running to sign James. Adds a Western GM, "This whole Tiger Woods scandal comes into play. The world is looking for a new guy to be No. 1, and that makes the New York stage more important to LeBron than ever."

But seven insiders are convinced that James isn't going anywhere, while the other three rate his chances of sticking around at 50-50-depending on Cleveland's performance in the playoffs. While the Cavs can offer James close to $30 million more than any other team over the length of a six-year contract, money is the least of LeBron's concerns; he earns an estimated $28 million per year off the court. Winning is his priority: The Knicks have one of the league's least-talented rosters, and 25-year-old James knows from experience how long it can take to build a title contender from scratch, even when he is the centerpiece.

The Cavs, on the other hand, appear to be on the verge of giving Cleveland its first title in a major sport since 1964, when the Browns were NFL champions. They have done everything they can to keep James, from installing a defense-first mind-set that has become the hallmark of championship franchises to building the league's best practice facility to making inroads in the lucrative Chinese market by taking on a Chinese minority ownership group. Is he really going to throw all that away for a chance to be the savior in New York? And what if he were to go to New York and not deliver a title? James would be viewed as-yes-a bust.

The other reason for LeBron to stay in Cleveland is that he needs to be loved, not only because he is a naturally affable guy, but because his goal of becoming a global icon along the lines of Michael Jordan depends on people really, really liking him. The Cavaliers are not just any franchise; they are James's hometown team. If he were to walk out on a struggling city -- where unemployment is nearly 11 percent -- then he'll find a lot of people suddenly cheering for him to lose. Said a Western GM, "If he leaves Cleveland for New York, he'll never sell another shoe in the Midwest and another shoe in a small market, because people will be so insulted."

And whither the rest of the class of '10? SI's panel of insiders predicts overwhelmingly that Dwyane Wade will stay with the Heat. (One respondent split his vote to give Chicago a 50-percent chance of luring Wade back to his hometown, and another voter predicted that he'll sign with the Knicks.) And only five insiders believe that Chris Bosh and Joe Johnson will re-sign with the Raptors and the Hawks, respectively. The consensus is that Bosh will move to Miami, where he would be a frontcourt complement to Wade, while Johnson is likely to join Derrick Rose in the Bulls' backcourt."


My reactions:
1. LOL re: the mayan comment.
2. Interesting takes on how the market can impact his decision to either go to NY or stay in CLE. I don't buy what this guy says about the Midwest and nobody buying his shoes...

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2/12/2010  10:27 AM
in case nobody realized, James isnt selling any shoes now. He's been a big disappointment as far as his Nike sales go. That was makes this contract so interesting.

2nd of all the part about NY's roster is a joke. If Cle gets Rib Hamilton and Jamison I will will retract my statement, but as currently constructed the 2010 Knicks with James are better than the 2010 Cavs with Jams.
Lee being an all star gives NY a recognizable frontcourt player. Whats he at now? 20/12/55%? He, Chanlder and Gallo are a very solid young core. Hopefully Douglas and Hill turn out to be good player. Maybe McGrady is the next PG like Pippen was for the MJ teams.

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2/12/2010  10:27 AM
There are some issues to be concerned about, but to me the biggest issue is how the Cavs do in the playoffs. The Cavs best hope is a successful playoffs and a title. Lebron will be furious if they fail to win again! For our sake we have to hope they don't win and that he gets frustrated enough to be swayed by our offer.
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2/12/2010  10:39 AM
Flip the coin. Nobody knows.

Cavs are winning. Are they that good or is the east so weakened. They get up for the big games and have beaten down orlando and the Lakers.

If they make a deal they run the risk of chemistry disruption.

Im not sure if winning might be the best thing for us. He wins, that team is not forward thinking so he gets to be the cleveland hero and while leaving bolts, he can say he left somthing for them to be proud of and hammer home that Akron is his home town and he loves it. Just many who wants to set out and see the world he can sell this is what he is about and wants to live somewhere else. Loves Akron, just wants to "leave home" for a time.

Lets face it, He is the 2nd puppet to Kobe and that can't set well with him. THere is no reason why he can't invest in MSG himself (keep it under 5% holdings) and participate as an owner in profits! No other team can legally give him any ownership stake while actively playing.

If they fail to win he can leave saying "everything has been done that can be done and I appreciate it all of it, just time to move on.....>>"

I Dunno, just seeing how his public relations can handle leaving to NYC.

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2/12/2010  10:46 AM
the best thing is if Lebron wins a title this year. Then he fufills his destiny and brings a title to Cle. Is he really going to be hated after that? If your a NY fan what would you prefer? That solid 10 year run of advancing every year with Ewing, or if Ewing won a title for the Knicks, then bolted for the Lakers or some such... would you hate him? I mean a title is something you can never take away. If Eli said NY sucks and went to play somewhere else I just couldnt hate a guy that won my team a superbowl and was the MVP.

I think James winning a title is the best case scenario.

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2/12/2010  10:48 AM
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2/12/2010  10:50 AM
Farve will be loved soon enough in Green Bay.
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2/12/2010  10:51 AM
fishmike wrote:the best thing is if Lebron wins a title this year. Then he fufills his destiny and brings a title to Cle. Is he really going to be hated after that? If your a NY fan what would you prefer? That solid 10 year run of advancing every year with Ewing, or if Ewing won a title for the Knicks, then bolted for the Lakers or some such... would you hate him? I mean a title is something you can never take away. If Eli said NY sucks and went to play somewhere else I just couldnt hate a guy that won my team a superbowl and was the MVP.

I think James winning a title is the best case scenario.

I think I agree that if the Cavs win a title, he leaves for sure. It's sort of like retiring from the Cavs to go to the Knicks and start again. If the Cavs get close again, he may be more determined to stay and finish the job. Especially if they land Jamison or Butler...

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2/12/2010  10:57 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/12/2010  10:58 AM
so if they win the title, he would have zero thoughts about defending it there which is arguably just as difficult?

let's put it this way, if he wants many many rings, and he gets one in cleveland, why would he leave to join the knicks which will take at least 2-3 years to get to championship level? maybe more if the new CBA is more restrictive?

stop will all the business and basketball reasons. that type of reasoning or justification is trivial.

he will come to ny b/c he wants to play here...period.

he's changing his jersey # next year - don't you think that was nike initiated? if he switches team, the increase in sales will be tremendous...the first year. then after everyone buys them up that first year...then what? changing his # will do just as much as switching teams for nike.

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2/12/2010  11:26 AM
djsunyc wrote:so if they win the title, he would have zero thoughts about defending it there which is arguably just as difficult?

let's put it this way, if he wants many many rings, and he gets one in cleveland, why would he leave to join the knicks which will take at least 2-3 years to get to championship level? maybe more if the new CBA is more restrictive?

stop will all the business and basketball reasons. that type of reasoning or justification is trivial.

he will come to ny b/c he wants to play here...period.

he's changing his jersey # next year - don't you think that was nike initiated? if he switches team, the increase in sales will be tremendous...the first year. then after everyone buys them up that first year...then what? changing his # will do just as much as switching teams for nike.

that logic about jerseys is flawed. why is kobe still #1. he's been on the same team and hasn't changed his number. it's because he plays for a glamour franchise in a major media market.

the knicks are a glamour franchise in a major media market. the cavs are not.

i agree if he wins a championship in cleveland it seems less likely he'd come here. but i still say the cavs supporting cast is incredibly weak. i'd love to see what happened if lebron was shown a hard double team consistently in the playoffs. who steps up for the cavs?

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2/12/2010  11:30 AM
kobe went from 8 to 24.

and he's won a title. you win a title, you sell more jerseys. lakers games start at 1030pm on the east coast - who's watching them other than the postseason?

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2/12/2010  11:32 AM
but forget all of that, it's not about the money. you're talking about the difference of possibly $5 mil a year...which to a guy making $50+ mil a year, isn't that big a difference.

he will come to ny b/c he wants to play for the knicks and take on the challenge. trying to justify it with money or team, etc is trivial.

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2/12/2010  11:32 AM
Kobe changed his number. Used to be "8".
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2/12/2010  11:38 AM
djsunyc wrote:so if they win the title, he would have zero thoughts about defending it there which is arguably just as difficult?

let's put it this way, if he wants many many rings, and he gets one in cleveland, why would he leave to join the knicks which will take at least 2-3 years to get to championship level? maybe more if the new CBA is more restrictive?

stop will all the business and basketball reasons. that type of reasoning or justification is trivial.

he will come to ny b/c he wants to play here...period.

he's changing his jersey # next year - don't you think that was nike initiated? if he switches team, the increase in sales will be tremendous...the first year. then after everyone buys them up that first year...then what? changing his # will do just as much as switching teams for nike.


please explain how Cle's roster is better than the Knicks. Shaq and Z are ancient. After that you have Mo Williams who is very good and carrot top who is a garbage player. If you add Lebron to the Knicks they have a young core of Lee, Lebron, Gallo and Chandler... all in their 20s, all skilled and versatile. The only thing that changes that is if Cle lands Jamison/Butler, but why cant the Knicks do the same next year with Curry and JJ's contracts? This notion that the Knicks have a barren roster is bull****. The have an all star frontcourt player and two versatile wing guys, one is one of the best shooters in the NBA.

You add Lebron and this is a 60 win team.

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2/12/2010  11:43 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/12/2010  11:44 AM
knicks fans underrate cleveland's defense and players like verejao + mo williams. like severely underrate them. and it's ego's like that which allows lebron to take pull up 35 foot 3's against the knicks but not against the magic or celtics. not to mention a guy like hickson's who's IQ is quite strong and knows where exactly to be at the right time.

plus, with z's expiring, they can easily add to the talent level...along with $9 mil in expiring in the summer.

but that's not even the point...the point is that it doesn't matter who's on the roster in ny - that will not determine lebron coming to the knicks or not.

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2/12/2010  12:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/12/2010  12:44 PM
I think it matters who's on the roster. Our young core are a mix of high-IQ players (e.g., David, Gallo) and high-athleticism players (e.g., Chandler, Hill, TD). Our guys don't play well-orchestrated defense all the time, but they have shown at points during the season that they can play extremely solid defense. So why don't they do it all the time? Lack of leadership. The reason the Cavs play such solid defense is that they do not lack such leadership. Lebron brings it to them, and would do the same for the Knicks. MDA has demonstrated a commitment to defense this season, but he has a bunch of rentals who are only interested in stat padding.

I think the comparison with the Cavs is accurate - NYK have a stronger and younger core and a LOT more flexibility (i.e., with the $18mil coming off after next season). Lebron is no chump. He can see clearly that New York is setup to build a contender within two years. We have the right management team in place, the right coach, and a solid young core.

I also agree with DJ that his decision rests mainly on the stage of MSG, ceteris paribus. And I think he recognizes that the Knicks have equal or better core than the Cavs. The notion that nobody in the small towns around the country will buy his apparel and shoes because he leaves Cleveland is hogwash. The exact opposite is true - it would be a boon to him and his marketing partners to be in NYC. Sales of his stuff in orange an blue would dwarf the Cavs stuff. Kobe is a good example of why this is so.

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2/12/2010  12:48 PM
This article makes me think he is not leaving Cleveland. I'd say there's a very slim chance of him leaving and if he wins there a 0% chance. He'd have to come up with a whole new Routine in NY. Hopefully the four horsemen wanna live in NY. What the Knicks should really be doing is sending an army of hot NY girls to hook Lebron's friends.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/12/sports/basketball/12lebron.html?ref=basketball

February 12, 2010
For James, Game-Day Quirks Evolve Into the Ritual

By SEAN D. HAMILL
CLEVELAND — It is known simply as the Ritual.

Thanks to the postgame highlights that show it, the posters that celebrate it, the shoe that is named after it and the 10-story billboard here that depicts it, the Ritual, to much of the sports world, consists of LeBron James’s tossing a handful of moisture-absorbing chalk into the air and then extending his arms as if offering himself to his fans.

But the in-group secret, shared by seemingly every one of the 20,500 delirious fans inside Quicken Loans Arena, is that the chalk toss is only one part — albeit a defining one — of a much more complicated choreography of actions that James must perform before the Cleveland Cavaliers tip off.

In the sequence, James, who will be front and center at Sunday’s N.B.A. All-Star Game in Arlington, Tex., tries to hit an underhand shot from halfcourt during warm-ups; he forms a 3-3-0 with his fingers — the area code for Akron, Ohio, his hometown — after the national anthem; he exchanges a handshake with one of his lifelong friends when he is introduced; he offers a different shake, hug or salute to each of his 14 teammates; he puts in his mouth guard; he tosses the chalk and extends his arms; he points to the fans in the upper deck; he greets each opponent; and, finally, he takes the ball from a referee, massages it and passes it back.

“It’s official! It’s game time!” Ahmaad Crump, the Cavaliers’ arena host/hype man, then shouts over the public address system.

“Well, when you’re the king, it’s good to be the king, isn’t it?” Knicks Coach Mike D’Antoni said before a recent game against the Cavaliers. “You know what, he brings so much enthusiasm to the game and he’s so good, if he wants to take some leeway, he deserves it.”

Together, James’s actions have created something of a subculture in Cleveland, one in which the seemingly most mundane gesture is charged with meaning, each helping to stoke emotion. Fans wait for them, document them with their cameraphones.

“You know when he gets his mouthpiece in, he’s going to do the chalk next,” said Shannon Beckley of Uhrichsville, Ohio, who was at Tuesday’s game against the Nets with her 4-year-old son, Conner, who wore a No. 23 James jersey.

But the Ritual, fewer realize, cannot happen without the Routine.

The Routine begins long before James steps on the court. It is a methodical series of steps, some that date to his high school days, that help him prepare to play.

“He’s always been pretty — I don’t want to say superstitious — but he likes routine,” said Randy Mims, 34, one of James’s three lifelong best friends, who manage his career and are collectively known, with James, as the Four Horsemen.

“A lot of this hasn’t changed since high school: when he gets taped, when he stretches, when he shoots, when he arrives before a game — it’s all designed so he has time to do the Routine,” said Mims, who also takes part in the Ritual, being the first to exchange a handshake with James after he is introduced.

The Routine starts before the team’s game-day morning shootaround. James likes to be there an hour before, at about 9 a.m., so he can stretch. Then, after shooting for an hour, he returns home.

“One thing consistently I have always done, starting in high school, is I take a nap before the game,” James said after scoring 32 points with 11 assists against the Nets. “We had shootaround in high school and I’d go back home and take an hour or two nap before the game. Now it’s like three or four hours and just relax and have the energy for the night.”

James eats a light meal, typically chicken and rice with vegetables, then leaves for the arena, arriving at least two and a half hours before tip-off.

“I have a lot to do,” James said.

Team officials say that on most days, James is the first to arrive and the last to leave — in part because of news media demands, but also because part of the Routine calls for him to ice his legs.

“When I come in,” James said, “I get dressed, shoot for half an hour and then do a stretching routine that lasts about 25 minutes, then go in the training room and get my legs worked on by the masseuses, and then I get taped. Most of the time I do media. Then I do the team meeting and prepare for the game.”

Mike Mancias, the Cavaliers’ assistant athletic trainer, stretches and tapes James.

“He wants the taping done the same way every time, nice and snug,” Mancias said. “He wants everything sharp, clean and routine.”

Mancias has also created an analgesic muscle warmer for James.

“We call it Jump Juice,” said Mancias, who said he came up with the secret mixture four years ago. “He wanted something that kept his leg muscles warm, but not too warm.”

While the opposing team is being introduced, Mancias rubs the concoction into James’s Achilles’ tendons, patellas and calves, a responsibility that makes Mancias part of both the Ritual and the Routine.

Mancias takes part in another part of the Ritual as well, standing on the baseline near the bench after James is introduced to give him his custom-fitted mouth guard.

“It may seem minute, but it’s just part of his game-day structure,” Mancias said. “If one thing is off, it’s not catastrophic, he can adjust, but it can throw him off. He’s just very, very structured and ritualistic on game day.”

Even when James adjusts his jersey as he prepares to take a free throw, or his wristbands and headband when he is on the bench, it is all in service of performance.

“Everything has to be in alignment, everything right, so he can perform at his best,” Mancias said. “No matter what he feels like when he comes into the arena, he’ll take the necessary steps to get to a level where he’ll dominate.”

If the Routine is about getting himself ready physically and mentally, the Ritual is primarily about getting himself, his team and the fans ready emotionally.

The Ritual actually begins out of view of the fans, with the team gathering in a tight circle near the locker room. As the players head to the court, James and Mims exchange the first of two handshakes. This one, Mims said, represents a “friendship bond” with the Four Horsemen.

The team then runs onto the court to “Forever” by Drake, a hip-hop song featured on the soundtrack to the film “More Than a Game,” which is about James’s high school basketball teammates and their friendship.

The chalk toss, which James started three years ago, has become such a focus in the Cavaliers’ pregame home ceremony that there are no overwhelming audio or visual distractions.

“We try not to do anything to take away from it,” said Amanda Greco, the Cavaliers’ director of game presentation.

The chalk toss, followed by the pointing to the upper deck, then the checking of the ball, all occur with the starters and the referees on the court, waiting.

To date, no opponent has complained publicly.

“You understand it’s going to happen,” the Knicks’ Chris Duhon said. “You can’t do anything about it. He’s the face of this league, so he’s able to get away with more things than most people can.”

There was at least one game, on Dec. 9, 2008, though, when the Ritual apparently upset the longtime referee Joey Crawford. According to game reports, Crawford became so irritated waiting for James to finish that he gave three technical fouls to Cavaliers players in a five-minute span of the first half.

Fans at away games do not generally seem to mind either.

Even at Madison Square Garden, “two-thirds of the people in the stands have his jersey on anyway,” the Knicks’ David Lee said.

One detractor, Bryon Maschari, a Knicks fan from Sandusky, Ohio, called the Ritual absurd, though he conceded that “it would look a lot better in a Knicks jersey at Madison Square Garden.”

James, who had his teammates to his house for a Super Bowl party, said his goal was to foster closeness among the players.

“Over the years it has evolved from the handshake,” James said. “It came from leadership, that I wanted to become more of a leader. I’ve always believed if you’re friends with your teammates off the court, it gains you access to them on the court.

“It promotes team chemistry and team camaraderie. It’s something that we all bond over. It’s basically how we prepare for battle before we go out. It’s how we get our mind set.”

In the end, James said, the Ritual and the Routine have the same objective: “It gets me ready to get out and do what I do best, and that’s to go out there and play basketball at a high level.”

His fans — and even his opponents — would say he routinely does just that.

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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2/12/2010  1:08 PM

New Knick routine:

Before game he eats what he eats and takes the nap.

He can get his royal BJ before his custom mouth guard.

THe Joint juice, what ever........

Then he can hug his new accountant and lawyer, along with his new wall st. friends.

Then he can cut a few lines of "Chaulk" and snort it right there on the scorers table custom made with Austrian cut Crystal Mirror and then he can raise his hands up in the air, like he just don't care and lead us to the promise land!!!!!!

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2/12/2010  1:32 PM
djsunyc wrote:knicks fans underrate cleveland's defense and players like verejao + mo williams. like severely underrate them. and it's ego's like that which allows lebron to take pull up 35 foot 3's against the knicks but not against the magic or celtics. not to mention a guy like hickson's who's IQ is quite strong and knows where exactly to be at the right time.

plus, with z's expiring, they can easily add to the talent level...along with $9 mil in expiring in the summer.

but that's not even the point...the point is that it doesn't matter who's on the roster in ny - that will not determine lebron coming to the knicks or not.


Riddle me this....

As of now the 3 best players on the Knicks are Lee, Chandler and Gallo. Forget age, salary, etc...
Are Cle's 3 best players (minus Lebron) better than Lee, Chandler and Gallo? That would be West, Williams and Varejo right? Are two 3 guys better than Lee/Chandler/Gallo? I dont think they are. Not really close. If they werent playing next to LBJ they would be role player fodder. On the same token Lee will be an all star playing w/ Lebron every year. Gallo and Chandler close behind

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2/12/2010  1:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/12/2010  1:47 PM
fishmike wrote:
djsunyc wrote:knicks fans underrate cleveland's defense and players like verejao + mo williams. like severely underrate them. and it's ego's like that which allows lebron to take pull up 35 foot 3's against the knicks but not against the magic or celtics. not to mention a guy like hickson's who's IQ is quite strong and knows where exactly to be at the right time.

plus, with z's expiring, they can easily add to the talent level...along with $9 mil in expiring in the summer.

but that's not even the point...the point is that it doesn't matter who's on the roster in ny - that will not determine lebron coming to the knicks or not.


Riddle me this....

As of now the 3 best players on the Knicks are Lee, Chandler and Gallo. Forget age, salary, etc...
Are Cle's 3 best players (minus Lebron) better than Lee, Chandler and Gallo? That would be West, Williams and Varejo right? Are two 3 guys better than Lee/Chandler/Gallo? I dont think they are. Not really close. If they werent playing next to LBJ they would be role player fodder. On the same token Lee will be an all star playing w/ Lebron every year. Gallo and Chandler close behind

how about i riddle you this:

knock knock
who's there?
you're a douchebag.

seriously, who cares? they have the best record in the league right now and could win a title. i never once said the knicks don't have a good supporting cast, i just think y'all are severely underrating lebron's in cleveland.

i'll say it again, it doesn't matter who's on the knicks roster since apparently you (and many others) think the cavs squad is junk, he can turn water into wine in ny too.

him coming to ny is about taking on the challenge and ego...not money, not who's on the team, not who's coaching, none of that.

and using your example, chandler and gallo are not as good as williams - maybe they will be but they aren't right now.

lee's an all star b/c of offensive #'s. he's also an all star b/c he plays in ny and is a david stern selection (not by the coaches - just wanted to make that distinction). but just b/c a guy like verejao is not an all star, doesn't mean he doesn't play just an important a role.

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