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EnySpree
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WTF?!?!?!
Should have just held on to them cuz the Knicks miss their production
They had to go for cap reasons
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EnySpree
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2/8/2010  7:53 AM
I think the Knicks should have just kept them....

Zach just has a year left...they could have traded Jared by now for anything if they wanted to especially with Zach and David playing the 4-5....and damn man they were playing so freakin well together. Zach was nothing like what people said he was. He's a beast and now he is an all-star. Crawford is making a name for himself as a finisher by doing it for a league leading team...on the Knicks he took bad shots but he still was a great finisher and go to guy in the clutch.

Right now the Knicks need a closer.....and they need a bigman to help David Lee inside....

I understand if Cuttino was healthy it wouldn't really matter in Crawfords respect cuz Cuttino was very good....but getting Al Harrington to play him off the bench behind Wilson and Gallo is retarded. Id's rather keep Craw for all that....

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2/8/2010  8:18 AM
Knicks don't need scorers, we need defenders... zach and jamal are of no help to this squad! They are good for the situations that they are in... Jamal is a 6th man scorer and plays with a stud Josh Smith that is the youngest person ever to get 1000 blocks...

Zach plays with a stud named Marc Gasol who is averaging more than 1.5 blocks per game.

They are good for the teams they are in. They are not good for the Knicks.

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2/8/2010  8:57 AM

The Memphis squad is pretty good. I also think they got a record number of players over 7 foot tall. 4 I think.

Marc Gasol lost 30 lbs and is quicker these days and playing very well.

ZDumb is playing on a better squad. Craw also. They were not alpha dogs here.
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2/8/2010  11:32 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/8/2010  3:00 PM
Don't really think Zach and Jamal fits danphoney's docile personality test.
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2/8/2010  12:41 PM
Hated the trade for Zach because we did not get enough back for him and he was playing some of the best ball of his career. I did not mind seeing Crawford leave. He was too much of a gunner and had no defense. Nate can do pretty much everything Crawford could do. I think we would be a better team if we kept Zach, if for no other reason as it might have made Walsh take a pg instead of a PF in the draft and we would have Jennings or Lawson.
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2/8/2010  12:43 PM
the more i hear about lee, the more i think he sounds like what folks would say about zach when he was here. he'll get the double double every night, but no defense. granted lee doesnt have the baggage zach had and is more a team concept guy than zach was in ny, but other than that, what's the difference btwn the 2 of them?
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2/8/2010  12:46 PM
Everyone thought I was nuts when I said the team would be trash after those trades...

...but by the same token, there's no way they'd be performing at the same level they are now with the Knicks. No way. I won't make the assumption that they'd be as effective as they are now here.

Randolph is out of the spotlight in Memphis and Crawford isn't asked to be The Guy.

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2/8/2010  1:02 PM
jimimou wrote:the more i hear about lee, the more i think he sounds like what folks would say about zach when he was here. he'll get the double double every night, but no defense. granted lee doesnt have the baggage zach had and is more a team concept guy than zach was in ny, but other than that, what's the difference btwn the 2 of them?

Dlee much better passer.
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2/8/2010  1:10 PM
Don't get fooled by Zach's production. He doesn't really net you possessions... he has very low steals/blocks numbers... he also doesn't assist so he doesn't raise your team's effective field goal percentage... only thing that can be said for Zach is that he has a decent mid range jumper.. but DLee is catching up to that as well. Also he's a black hole... the ball does not move with him... the offense flows much better with DLee.
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2/8/2010  1:22 PM
Zach + Craw= no cap space this summer. Thats the end of the discussion right there. We would battle for the 8th spot with Zach and Craw and be stuck in no mans land for years come.
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2/8/2010  1:25 PM
knickstorrents wrote:Knicks don't need scorers, we need defenders... zach and jamal are of no help to this squad! They are good for the situations that they are in... Jamal is a 6th man scorer and plays with a stud Josh Smith that is the youngest person ever to get 1000 blocks...

Zach plays with a stud named Marc Gasol who is averaging more than 1.5 blocks per game.

They are good for the teams they are in. They are not good for the Knicks.

i agree with this....

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2/8/2010  1:40 PM
Nalod wrote:
jimimou wrote:the more i hear about lee, the more i think he sounds like what folks would say about zach when he was here. he'll get the double double every night, but no defense. granted lee doesnt have the baggage zach had and is more a team concept guy than zach was in ny, but other than that, what's the difference btwn the 2 of them?

Dlee much better passer.

lemme edit for you
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2/8/2010  1:41 PM
knickstorrents wrote:Don't get fooled by Zach's production. He doesn't really net you possessions... he has very low steals/blocks numbers... he also doesn't assist so he doesn't raise your team's effective field goal percentage... only thing that can be said for Zach is that he has a decent mid range jumper.. but DLee is catching up to that as well. Also he's a black hole... the ball does not move with him... the offense flows much better with DLee.

the coaches who selected him to the all star team this year tend to disagree with you....i think the zach you are describing is circa 2005-2008
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2/8/2010  1:58 PM
i think it was the right decision. the team had been a disaster for a long time. zach's contract was enormous. jamal was a perfect player for a perpetual 30-win team. it was time to start cleaning house and starting over.
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2/8/2010  2:09 PM
Eny,

Having this poll is like polling a room full of tea baggers about President Obama it is impossible to get unbiased opinions.
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2/8/2010  2:10 PM
bitty - glad you joined. what's your take on comparing zach to lee? see what i said above? curious to get your persepctive.
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2/8/2010  2:16 PM
bitty - glad you joined. what's your take on comparing zach to lee? see what i said above? curious to get your persepctive.

Zach is just an unrelenting production guy it doesn't matter the situation good team bad team he will put up numbers. Whereas Lee imo if he was playing alongside a dynamic center his numbers wouldn't be as high and also he is the Knicks number 1 option. Nonetheless I would be happy with either guy on my team Lee gets a lot of hate around sometimes from fans because there is no middle ground you either have to be great or Knick fans want you traded every other week.
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2/8/2010  4:06 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:Everyone thought I was nuts when I said the team would be trash after those trades...

i was in full agreement w/u from the start... always knew those trades were salary dumps but people thought we actually got better from making those trades... the trades had to be made for cap purposes but the BS Walsh & MDA sold to the Knicks' fanbase that we were improving for a playoff run was laughable.

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2/8/2010  4:10 PM
bitty41 wrote:
bitty - glad you joined. what's your take on comparing zach to lee? see what i said above? curious to get your persepctive.

Zach is just an unrelenting production guy it doesn't matter the situation good team bad team he will put up numbers. Whereas Lee imo if he was playing alongside a dynamic center his numbers wouldn't be as high and also he is the Knicks number 1 option. Nonetheless I would be happy with either guy on my team Lee gets a lot of hate around sometimes from fans because there is no middle ground you either have to be great or Knick fans want you traded every other week.

Good take. DLee is putting up some fat numbers this year but the ball goes thu him now and I give the guy a lot of credit. But on a good team his touches (we talking DLee)will drop as will his production.

But I wonder from a chemistry stand point if this is not the kind of guy you want feeding your superstars (providing we land one). With a guy like that around, might it make Lebron even more effective as he won't have to carry the load all the time?

Wow, Im promoting Dlee or promoting the possibility of one plus one equal three?

ANd, if you have Zach dominationg the ball, would DLee be as developed at this point? Dlee took off when ZDumb left.

Zdump and Eddy together was a disaster if you anyone recalls. Dlee and Eddy did work pretty good back when Eddy would get out of bed.
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2/8/2010  4:24 PM
Nalod wrote:Zdump and Eddy together was a disaster if you anyone recalls.

big reason why people opposed that trade from the very beginning... just didn't make sense to take on that contract for a player who needed to get the ball in the post to be effective when we already had a player we were featuring in the post... if we were going to starphuch it woulda made much more sense to target someone like Vince Carter or Michael Redd even from a balance standpoint, even tho neither one of those guys would have been franchise changers either.

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