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BRIGGS
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2/8/2010  1:09 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/8/2010  1:11 AM
Complete and utter neglect of this player all year while Mike D pranced from player to player putting them in and out of the doghouse--- it was basic neglect of our lottery pick on a bad small team.

I hope that someone in the organization above Mike tells him 30 minutes to Jordan @ C the rest of the way--we have to know what the player is--what he can do--he needs a chance. Does anyone honestly think that Jordan would give us a materially negative impact on losses---NO--we are 1.5 games from the 14th seed in the shtty east. If ANYTHING maybe playing him at C and leaving him there MIGHT help us in the post--this guy really is not an impressive guy in terms of coaching---many of us have been through Pat Riley and quite frankly he isnt a dot on Pat Rileys shorts. That being said can he show some flexibility and maybe listen to some smart people in the NBA who have criticized his rotations. We drafted Jordan--we havent been close to 41 wins in a long time--give the kid a chance for goodness sakes. As a true blue fan I want to see if this guy can play--Im sure we all do. But this guy is so ego driven it takes injury or complete breakdown for him to shuffle the cards. Put him @ C Mike D and leave him there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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2/8/2010  1:20 AM
been saying it all year... we gotta get this kid into the rotation for 20+ a night & leave him there.
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2/8/2010  1:31 AM
I said this before, gallo, hill and douglas should be getting not only big minutes but key roles in the offense.... we have wasted half a season not developing these kids the correct way...
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2/8/2010  7:10 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/8/2010  7:11 AM
Briggs, I think everyone agrees with you that Hill (and Douglas) should be receiving more minutes. I hope MDA reads this board.
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2/8/2010  7:54 AM
Hill was not ready to be a part of the rotation at the beginning of the season. Simple as that. As a coach, you have to give your players incentive to work hard and while Hill's background doesn't suggest he is lazy by any means, it seems like Jordan has been putting in even more work since that game in Houston when Landry got the nod over him. He is starting to show promise and D'Antoni is starting to reward him for that. I agree though, now that the Knicks are essentially out of the playoff race and Jordan is starting to play consistently well, D'Antoni should look to give him a bigger role.

I just don't think it is right to put all the blame on D'Antoni in this situation. If you look lost on a basketball court in garbage time, you don't deserve a spot in the rotation.

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2/8/2010  8:59 AM

I Think another thread regarding this is important to create 3x a week.
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2/8/2010  9:11 AM
Not that I agree with it but I think the reason why Douglas and Hill do not get P.T. is because they dont want other teams to see the potential and ask for them in any trade proposals.
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2/8/2010  10:06 AM
He, and Douglas, should have the opportunity to play 25-35 MPG no matter how they are playing on a particular night. Time to see what roles these guys may play in the future. Are they starters, significant rotational players, or just passing through and not worth keeping.

Walsh and MDA have to have some kind of date in mind where, if they decide we have no chance for a playoff spot, the young guys start getting significant and consistent minutes.

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2/8/2010  11:49 AM
I think they should play 48 min a game until they are all stars or drop dead.

I think we can rationalize anything when we are losing games!!!

"Jordan Hill" is like two great baskeball names all in one. Got your "michael Jordan" and your "grant hill" all there. This kid can't miss!!!!

I read all these threads and I can't believe just how clueless Walsh and MDA are about all this!!!!! This is serious guys, I mean really!!!

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2/8/2010  11:51 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/8/2010  11:54 AM
Nalod wrote:
I Think another thread regarding this is important to create 3x a week.

haha. my plan may be to just check out for the rest of the season. i have league pass so i don't have to watch the knicks for my basketball fix.

i say trot out jefferies for whatever amount of minutes he can play to look good.

once the trade deadline passes..play hill 40 minutes.

PG: Duhon/Larry
SG: Nate/TD
SF: Wil/Gallo
PF: Lee/Gallo
C: Hill 40 minutes

A 3 man rotation of Gallo/Wilson/Lee at SF/PF works.

We need to stop playing David Lee so many minutes.

a) if we want to keep him

- why keep driving his market value up and give his agent a legit case by letting him accumulate monster #s? hopefully DW has some type of +/- stats that show DLee is wack on D so we don't have to break the bank to resign him

- why use up the minutes he has in his career to try to carry a crappy team with no shot at the playoffs?

b) if we're not planning on keeping him why give him so many minutes over Hill/Gallo/Chandler?

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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2/8/2010  11:54 AM
Nalod wrote:I think they should play 48 min a game until they are all stars or drop dead.

I think we can rationalize anything when we are losing games!!!

"Jordan Hill" is like two great baskeball names all in one. Got your "michael Jordan" and your "grant hill" all there. This kid can't miss!!!!

I read all these threads and I can't believe just how clueless Walsh and MDA are about all this!!!!! This is serious guys, I mean really!!!

Now that was funny.

Seriously though Hill and Douglas dont need 30+ minutes a night but they also shouldnt be collecting DNP-CD's. Are we so stacked we cant find at least 15 minutes a night for these guys?

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2/8/2010  12:09 PM
What kills me is we keep hearing that we need to bring the right level of defensive intensity in order to compete -- yet the 2 kids that could actually deliver defensive intensity just keep sitting the pine.

Can't wait for the trade deadline to pass so that I at least know who's going to be here.

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2/8/2010  12:59 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
Nalod wrote:I think they should play 48 min a game until they are all stars or drop dead.

I think we can rationalize anything when we are losing games!!!

"Jordan Hill" is like two great baskeball names all in one. Got your "michael Jordan" and your "grant hill" all there. This kid can't miss!!!!

I read all these threads and I can't believe just how clueless Walsh and MDA are about all this!!!!! This is serious guys, I mean really!!!

Now that was funny.

Seriously though Hill and Douglas dont need 30+ minutes a night but they also shouldnt be collecting DNP-CD's. Are we so stacked we cant find at least 15 minutes a night for these guys?

You never know if the BOcats or Bulls will implode so we have to try to get back some reasonable level and try to make a run. Likley not, but its not time to throw in the towel. Plus they have to sell tickets.

At some point they might get the minutes after the trade deadline and I do agree but the problem as I see it is our core lacks leadership (they are young) and it could really suck if Hill and TD don't produce.

You also have some vets who still have the pride and the contract to still produce.

Maybe after the trade deadline and we buy out Hughes and maybe waive Harrington (let him latch with a playoff team)

I hear you, I wanna see what these guys have in them.

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2/8/2010  1:25 PM
MDA has been playing Hill more lately. Hopefully, after the trade deadline, MDA will stop playing Jeffries so much and give Hill 20 minutes a game. I don't think he is ready for more than 20 minutes at this point, but he does need consistent minutes.
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2/8/2010  1:31 PM
s3231 wrote:Hill was not ready to be a part of the rotation at the beginning of the season. Simple as that. As a coach, you have to give your players incentive to work hard and while Hill's background doesn't suggest he is lazy by any means, it seems like Jordan has been putting in even more work since that game in Houston when Landry got the nod over him. He is starting to show promise and D'Antoni is starting to reward him for that. I agree though, now that the Knicks are essentially out of the playoff race and Jordan is starting to play consistently well, D'Antoni should look to give him a bigger role.

I just don't think it is right to put all the blame on D'Antoni in this situation. If you look lost on a basketball court in garbage time, you don't deserve a spot in the rotation.

this wasnt a playoff team anyway. what was gained by delaying him getting mins?

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2/8/2010  4:00 PM
sidsanders wrote:
s3231 wrote:Hill was not ready to be a part of the rotation at the beginning of the season. Simple as that. As a coach, you have to give your players incentive to work hard and while Hill's background doesn't suggest he is lazy by any means, it seems like Jordan has been putting in even more work since that game in Houston when Landry got the nod over him. He is starting to show promise and D'Antoni is starting to reward him for that. I agree though, now that the Knicks are essentially out of the playoff race and Jordan is starting to play consistently well, D'Antoni should look to give him a bigger role.

I just don't think it is right to put all the blame on D'Antoni in this situation. If you look lost on a basketball court in garbage time, you don't deserve a spot in the rotation.

this wasnt a playoff team anyway. what was gained by delaying him getting mins?


You know that now. But not everyone knew our team was not to be in the post season then.

Should have said somthing earlier to MDA and let him know!

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2/8/2010  4:14 PM
MDA's job is 1st to try and win games! Then he has to also develop the talent we have that is still learning. This idea that he should've realized that this team couldn't win is silly. Even right now as we speak the team is only 4.5 games back. ANYTHING an happen between now and the end of the season. It's still too early to give up on the season and just play the kids. Besides even when you do this you want to try to win games, so if the kids are looking lost it's not a good thing to just play them anyway. They need to LEARN how to play better and fix the mistakes they're making. Sometimes you need to take them out of the rotation, work that out in practice and then try to get them back in real games when they've shown improvement in practice.

I like Hill and TD and I think they should play, but you don't just give them Carte Blanche from the start of the season if they haven't earned it.

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2/8/2010  4:33 PM
nixluva wrote:I like Hill and TD and I think they should play, but you don't just give them Carte Blanche from the start of the season if they haven't earned it.

Duhon, Jeffries & Bender didn't earn their playing time this season either... playing those guys ahead of our rooks has led us to a crappy season... it's time now to shift gears & give up playing those guys & give the rooks a legitimate evaluation for the rest of the year... there's just no more excuse for it... MDA's ridiculous stubborn cling factor to his favorites is not serving the best interests of the Knicks' franchise.

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2/8/2010  4:36 PM
LivingLegend wrote:What kills me is we keep hearing that we need to bring the right level of defensive intensity in order to compete -- yet the 2 kids that could actually deliver defensive intensity just keep sitting the pine.

Can't wait for the trade deadline to pass so that I at least know who's going to be here.

it's laughable... we lack defensive intensity & effort almost every night & yet our young rooks who are hungry to prove themselves don't get any meaningful minutes... against the Cavs Jordan Hill was playing in crunchtime & the Knicks made a run to almost win the game... the kid should be seeing 20+ minutes every game for the rest of the season at this point, i don't care if he looks lost at times or not... TD & even Marcus Landry should be getting minutes as well, there is no possible upside to playing Duhon or Jeffries for 35+ a night at this point.

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2/8/2010  5:01 PM
nixluva wrote:MDA's job is 1st to try and win games! Then he has to also develop the talent we have that is still learning. This idea that he should've realized that this team couldn't win is silly. Even right now as we speak the team is only 4.5 games back. ANYTHING an happen between now and the end of the season. It's still too early to give up on the season and just play the kids. Besides even when you do this you want to try to win games, so if the kids are looking lost it's not a good thing to just play them anyway. They need to LEARN how to play better and fix the mistakes they're making. Sometimes you need to take them out of the rotation, work that out in practice and then try to get them back in real games when they've shown improvement in practice.

I like Hill and TD and I think they should play, but you don't just give them Carte Blanche from the start of the season if they haven't earned it.


MDA hasn't done a very good job of winning games. I am sure that someone will bring up the December 9-6 run but that leaves out November, January and February. He also hasn't done a good job of developing the young draft picks who will be in NY next year when most of the team moves on because of expiring contracts. In my opinion he is very slow to change/make adjustments. It took an entire training camp and 1-9 run before he considered slowing down the offense. I would not be surprised if Hill and Douglas only get token minutes until the Knicks are mathematically elimintated from the playoffs.
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