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King1
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2/6/2010  10:28 AM
I am not a New Yorker and I need help understanding why everyone thinks Lebron is coming to New York.
1. Salary wise he would be taking about a 20 million dollar pay cut. Lebron will get endorsements and rule the NBA no matter what city he plays in. Jordan, Bird, Magic, did fine without the NYC mystique.
2. Do New York Players really get alot of endorsements. David Lee has got zero endorsements in NYC since he has been there. Lebron will get them if he played in OKC. I live in the midwest I have seen Jeter, Eli Manning do a oreo commercial, Patrick Ewing do a snickers commercial and Usi onemnyiora do a 5 hour energy drink. You would think with Eli winning a super bowl the NYC media machine would have him everywhere.
3. Will the team be on be competitive. This team has so many holes and why would Lebron want to come to a rebuilding project even though he would make them a contender by himself.
4. Can anyone tell me in any sport what player has came to NYC for less money?
5. If NY gets Lebron this summer I will be the happiest human ever if the Knicks settle for Joe Johnson there is still a guarantee this team wont make the playoffs. I get the feeling Walsh is playing texas holdem and he is all win with a 2/7 offsuit.
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2/6/2010  11:31 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/6/2010  11:32 AM
Hmm, I've seen Eli a dozen of commercials. Toyota comes to mind. Guess they won't be able to afford him anymore.

This is a deep recession, so there are fewer endorsements and MUCH less ad budgts right now. That will change.

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2/6/2010  11:41 AM
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2/6/2010  11:43 AM
I am talking nationally people in the midwest have seen Eli in a oreo commercial. We see Lebron, Kobe, Dwight Howard and Wade in just as many commercials. I just think this you can only be famous NYC is bunk. You would think you would see all these players in all sports flocking here for less money to be part of the NYC mystique. Texiera and Sabathia came because of more money just like Jason Bay did. Lebron will be famous no matter where he plays.
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2/6/2010  11:56 AM
isn't there condition in lebron's nike contract that if he ever signed in NY that he would get a substantial increase in pay? if that doesn't tell you that nike doesn't think he'd be marketed better in NYC than what does?
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2/6/2010  12:01 PM
nyk4ever wrote:isn't there condition in lebron's nike contract that if he ever signed in NY that he would get a substantial increase in pay? if that doesn't tell you that nike doesn't think he'd be marketed better in NYC than what does?

according to fishmike, his nike deal expires this summer. he may have to suck it up and just push marbury's...

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2/6/2010  12:17 PM
to play on the same team as david lee
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2/6/2010  12:39 PM
king1 - you answered your own question. "This team has so many holes ... he would make them a contender by himself."
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2/6/2010  12:40 PM
put lebron on any squad in the NBA, they make the playoffs. tell me what squad this wouldnt be true for. The cavs would flat out SUCK if not for lebron. They'd be almost on the level of the nets.
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2/6/2010  12:41 PM
King1 wrote:I am talking nationally people in the midwest have seen Eli in a oreo commercial. We see Lebron, Kobe, Dwight Howard and Wade in just as many commercials. I just think this you can only be famous NYC is bunk. You would think you would see all these players in all sports flocking here for less money to be part of the NYC mystique. Texiera and Sabathia came because of more money just like Jason Bay did. Lebron will be famous no matter where he plays.


actually teixeria was offered more $$ by baltimore. i'm sure there are many others that qualify but i dont feel like looking right now.

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2/6/2010  1:12 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/6/2010  1:12 PM
If LeBron is just thinking bbal and money - there are no reasons to join Knicks.
If he is thinking about business in general there is no question that NY is the best opprtunity.
Obviously if he want to became a big celeb figure there are only 2 places to go - NY and LA, but LA seat is taken by Kobe.
If Labron wont to became bigger that Kobe NY is the unswer.
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2/6/2010  2:10 PM
Same reason A-Rod came to NY. NY has the money to throw in to build a real contender. Basketball has cap space restrictions and Lebron already know NY has the best flexibility in that direction and will have even more in 2011. Once the core is in no other team in the NBA can take on more salary through S&Ts and MLE signings and exploding Luxury Tax than the Knicks to add the fringe pieces. He can go to OKC and he will never get a second max player,leave alone a team with good pieces around him. What he will do, only he knows, but Walsh has send a clear signal if he comes here the world is his to rule. He would have to be extremely thick to not see that.
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2/6/2010  2:18 PM
He needs to get some rings before he is bigger than Kobe.
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2/6/2010  2:25 PM
nyk4ever wrote:isn't there condition in lebron's nike contract that if he ever signed in NY that he would get a substantial increase in pay? if that doesn't tell you that nike doesn't think he'd be marketed better in NYC than what does?

NO!

Today CNBC's Darren Rovell stepped up to the plate and killed all notions of that rumor. Here's the scoop:

The $100 million number is LeBron's total contract that includes a $10 million signing bonus. There are other bonuses, royalties and incentives, but there is no New York, Chicago or L.A. market incentive.

Even if LeBron did have the New York clause in his contract it would be done by the time his contract expired. James' original deal is a seven year deal, meaning it ends at the end of the 2009-10 season, before he would have a chance to go to New York.


ENDORSEMENTS EXPOUNDED

As the Raptors prepare to face the Cleveland Cavaliers and LeBron James, there is a ton of speculation that LeBron James is a lock to sign with the New York Knicks in 2010, in large part because of the 'huge spike' in endorsement income he will enjoy if he's in the Big Apple.

It isn’t happening – at least not for the reason commonly stated which is that King James will generate an endorsement windfall in New York, New York.

LeBron may decide to leave the Cavs in 2010, but it will be because he believes he can win an NBA championship somewhere other than Cleveland.

The major sports endorsement world has changed

There has been a significant shift in the sports endorsement world over the past decade, where top endorsement dollars are no longer paid to 'big' market athletes like they were in the 80's and 90's?

Elite athletes like LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, Yao Ming, Tiger Woods and Michael Jordan have become major global brands who transcend a specific market.

With YouTube, 24/7 sports on tv/radio and massive online coverage along with hundreds of cable and satellite feeds - it doesn't matter where a top athlete plays ball in 2009.

Diehard fans can watch their every move without leaving home, wherever home may be. If LeBron is your favorite player, living outside of Cleveland doesn't prevent you from being a mega-fan, like it did even a decade ago.

Question: Of the top 10 sports endorsement athletes in the USA, how many play in a major US market?

Answer: Only ONE .... Kobe Bryant.

In fact, 5 of the top 7 don't play in any specific market or city (Tiger, Phil M., Dale Jr, Michelle Wie and Jeff Gordon).


Question: Do you know where the #1 endorsed NFL player plays?

Answer: Its in small market Indianapolis .... Peyton Manning. And he earns considerably more in endorsements than his younger brother Eli who happens to play in NYC.


LeBron is already the King

Now, let’s check LeBron's endorsement income as reported in FORTUNE. He's clearly not held back by being in Cleveland:

2007 endorsement income: $25 million

“King James is the true king of endorsements in the NBA, bringing in close to $10 million more than the next-highest earner in the league, Kobe Bryant.”


LeBron is the #1 earner in the NBA by a wide margin and #3 overall in the USA despite playing in northern Ohio. He's a whopping $10 million above Kobe in earnings, who is a distant second in the NBA.

How much more can King James command when he already earns 66% more than #2, particularly as ad budgets are cut in an economic downturn? Tiger just lost a $7 million endorsement deal with GM this week and more cuts are expected. Last week LeBron's Microsoft deal lapsed, even though it had been dormant for sometime.


The factors that lead to mega endorsement deals

Elite athletes are global brands and the most important factors that lead to their marketability and desirability are:

1. Dominant Talent (Tiger, LeBron, Kobe, etc)
2. Winning Personality (big smile, good in front of a camera)
3. Compelling Storyline (Michelle Wie)
4. Titles Won (Tiger, Kobe, Peyton, etc)

Lebron has the first three attributes and his large endorsements reflect that. If Lebron is going to see an increase in endorsements, it won't be because he moves to NYC. Instead, the most important 'missing' factor will be "winning an NBA Championship".

Bottomline is that elite talent trumps everything. The current NHL endorsement star is Sidney Crosby who plays in Pittsburgh and not in New York or Los Angeles. "Sid the Kid" has a winning smile, he's well spoken and most importantly - he's the best damn hockey player in North America!

Lets look at the top NBA stars from an endorsement perspective and you see that only one is in a major market (as of 2007):

1. LeBron - CLEVELAND
2. Kobe - LA
3. Shaq- MIAMI
4. Wade - MIAMI

Vince Carter had more endorsement income when he was a Toronto Raptor (nearly $20 million at his peak) than Kobe or Shaq who were big market players at the time and who both won NBA titles. That despite Vince playing ball in Canada. When Vince was traded to the greater NY area in 2003, his endorsements dropped! If being in a major market was so important, that should not have happened.

Lebron is a dominant talent, who handles himself well in front of the camera and who exhibits a winning personality. He will continue to earn massive endorsement dollars regardless of where he plays ball.

If LeBron wants to make a jump to the next level, then he needs to sign with a team that gives him a shot at the ring! Hopefully for Cleveland fans, LeBron sees his best chance to win is with the Cavs.


The Nike rumor is false

It has been reported that LeBron James is headed to New York because of an endorsement fee escalation clause with Nike. Sorry, but its just not true.

LeBron does NOT have a major market escalation clause in his Nike contract. That's a rumour fueled by the media and fans. Last week, Darren Rovell - sports business guru of CNBC & ESPN wrote:

"For the millionth time, LeBron James has no bonus in his current contract with Nike—still his original contract—that pays him more if he plays in New York or any other big city for that matter.

I find myself writing this because with speculation that James will be headed to New York in 2010, as the Knicks have cleared out cap space for that season with the rumored express purpose of landing LeBron, people have started to talk again about this mythical bonus. As James played at the Garden and questions about 2010 and New York reached its greatest height, we started hearing about this bonus again. "

Cavalier fans can relax a little because on the main reasons given for King James' supposed imminent departure just ain’t true.

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2/6/2010  8:18 PM
kam77 wrote:to play on the same team as david lee

lmao!

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2/6/2010  8:25 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/6/2010  8:26 PM
Juice wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:isn't there condition in lebron's nike contract that if he ever signed in NY that he would get a substantial increase in pay? if that doesn't tell you that nike doesn't think he'd be marketed better in NYC than what does?

NO!

Today CNBC's Darren Rovell stepped up to the plate and killed all notions of that rumor. Here's the scoop:

The $100 million number is LeBron's total contract that includes a $10 million signing bonus. There are other bonuses, royalties and incentives, but there is no New York, Chicago or L.A. market incentive.

Even if LeBron did have the New York clause in his contract it would be done by the time his contract expired. James' original deal is a seven year deal, meaning it ends at the end of the 2009-10 season, before he would have a chance to go to New York.

Does it not stand to reason that he can get more money from Nike when he signs his next contract with them if he is a NY Knick?

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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2/6/2010  8:42 PM
King1 wrote:I am not a New Yorker and I need help understanding why everyone thinks Lebron is coming to New York.
1. Salary wise he would be taking about a 20 million dollar pay cut. Lebron will get endorsements and rule the NBA no matter what city he plays in. Jordan, Bird, Magic, did fine without the NYC mystique.
2. Do New York Players really get alot of endorsements. David Lee has got zero endorsements in NYC since he has been there. Lebron will get them if he played in OKC. I live in the midwest I have seen Jeter, Eli Manning do a oreo commercial, Patrick Ewing do a snickers commercial and Usi onemnyiora do a 5 hour energy drink. You would think with Eli winning a super bowl the NYC media machine would have him everywhere.
3. Will the team be on be competitive. This team has so many holes and why would Lebron want to come to a rebuilding project even though he would make them a contender by himself.
4. Can anyone tell me in any sport what player has came to NYC for less money?
5. If NY gets Lebron this summer I will be the happiest human ever if the Knicks settle for Joe Johnson there is still a guarantee this team wont make the playoffs. I get the feeling Walsh is playing texas holdem and he is all win with a 2/7 offsuit.

What would you rather be? King of Cleveland or King of New York?...

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2/7/2010  11:59 PM
Lot of bad assumptions in the first post.

1) Bird, Magic and Jordan played in Boston, LA and Chicago respectively. Not New York, but not exactly Cleveland either. Those are 3 of the biggest sports markets in the Country and some of the historically great franchises in the league in the Celtics/Lakers case.

2) David Lee does a ton of stuff for Vitamin Water and is all over the place in this city. For a player of his caliber to have as many endorsements as he does have is relatively impressive. He's not an all star and not considered a top tier player either. Eli Manning has a Citizen Eco Drive commercial, an Oreo commercial, a Toyota commercial etc. He is pretty well represented again for a guy who's also not necessarily consisdered one of the top 5 QBs in the NFL.

3) Of course the Knicks would be competetive with Lebron. Who wouldn't be?

4) No one necessarily goes anywhere for less money, but he wouldn't really be pocketing less money here and that's already been welll asumed for a long time.

5) What was the alternative. Having Crawford, Zach and no picks? Having some financial flexibility was probably the only option the Knicks had considering how amazingly mismanaged this team has been for a decade. There haven't been many hatchet jobs like this in any industry at any point in history.

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2/8/2010  12:06 AM
VDesai wrote:2) David Lee does a ton of stuff for Vitamin Water and is all over the place in this city. For a player of his caliber to have as many endorsements as he does have is relatively impressive. He's not an all star and not considered a top tier player either. Eli Manning has a Citizen Eco Drive commercial, an Oreo commercial, a Toyota commercial etc. He is pretty well represented again for a guy who's also not necessarily consisdered one of the top 5 QBs in the NFL.

tell u the truth i've never seen D Lee in any commercials other than MSG promotional spots... & Eli has a SB ring & SB MVP trophy on his resume, plus the whole Peyton Manning brother thing going for him... he's infinitely more marketable than David Lee... i get what u'r trying to say about athletes getting more exposure playing in NY, but really looking at it from a marketing standpoint there aren't that many truly marketable athletes in sports... Lebron is definitely one of them, but he'd get his endorsements no matter where he was playing... IMO the biggest drawing factor for Lebron to come to NY is his own ego... to be hailed as the savior of basketball in the mecca would be something that should appeal to him IMO... becoming the King of NY & being forever beloved as a NY Sports icon could be an attractive selling point to a guy w/Lebron's huge ego.

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2/8/2010  12:54 AM
TMS wrote:
VDesai wrote:2) David Lee does a ton of stuff for Vitamin Water and is all over the place in this city. For a player of his caliber to have as many endorsements as he does have is relatively impressive. He's not an all star and not considered a top tier player either. Eli Manning has a Citizen Eco Drive commercial, an Oreo commercial, a Toyota commercial etc. He is pretty well represented again for a guy who's also not necessarily consisdered one of the top 5 QBs in the NFL.

tell u the truth i've never seen D Lee in any commercials other than MSG promotional spots... & Eli has a SB ring & SB MVP trophy on his resume, plus the whole Peyton Manning brother thing going for him... he's infinitely more marketable than David Lee... i get what u'r trying to say about athletes getting more exposure playing in NY, but really looking at it from a marketing standpoint there aren't that many truly marketable athletes in sports... Lebron is definitely one of them, but he'd get his endorsements no matter where he was playing... IMO the biggest drawing factor for Lebron to come to NY is his own ego... to be hailed as the savior of basketball in the mecca would be something that should appeal to him IMO... becoming the King of NY & being forever beloved as a NY Sports icon could be an attractive selling point to a guy w/Lebron's huge ego.

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