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Larry Hughes may be Pain-in A_ _: But lets get real he deserves to play
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DJMUSIC
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2/3/2010  10:30 PM

Larry got hurt and before he played decent early in the season on BOTH ends of the court.
Wasn't even chucking like he once was in his early Sixer career.

He may run his mouth alot but he deserves to play especially if he brings it in practice is
reason MDA stated he played him tonight based on what he seen and the lack of energy from others
specifically Chris 'soft' Duhon

This season is it. Hughes may not be around is likely but I kinda like the edge he brings and
fact he took MDA on. Sure you gotta respect the coach and can't go too far personally. Edgy guys
on our knick roster ain't a bad thing especially when you're not playing well. Show's some guys
care sorta. I didn't recall hearing a peep or crap from L.Hughes when he was back and riding the
pine in December while Knicks were winning and putting together short win streaks.

However Larry is a pro. He may not be a star but there are few other stiffs on roster which has got
more minutes despite their bad play. Hughes needed to play himself out of the funk and now he'll get
a chance. Knicks ain't good enough yet to be not playing this guy OR playing others whom got no live
like Chris Duhon. He's got more chances than a cat with 9 lives.

Additionally Hughes played with LBJ and they have a relationship according to what's said so who knows ?
Perhaps a longshot LBJ gets to New York one of these days ! *grins

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2/4/2010  12:37 AM
DJMUSIC wrote:
Larry got hurt and before he played decent early in the season on BOTH ends of the court.
Wasn't even chucking like he once was in his early Sixer career.

He may run his mouth alot but he deserves to play especially if he brings it in practice is
reason MDA stated he played him tonight based on what he seen and the lack of energy from others
specifically Chris 'soft' Duhon

This season is it. Hughes may not be around is likely but I kinda like the edge he brings and
fact he took MDA on. Sure you gotta respect the coach and can't go too far personally. Edgy guys
on our knick roster ain't a bad thing especially when you're not playing well. Show's some guys
care sorta. I didn't recall hearing a peep or crap from L.Hughes when he was back and riding the
pine in December while Knicks were winning and putting together short win streaks.

However Larry is a pro. He may not be a star but there are few other stiffs on roster which has got
more minutes despite their bad play. Hughes needed to play himself out of the funk and now he'll get
a chance. Knicks ain't good enough yet to be not playing this guy OR playing others whom got no live
like Chris Duhon. He's got more chances than a cat with 9 lives.

Additionally Hughes played with LBJ and they have a relationship according to what's said so who knows ?
Perhaps a longshot LBJ gets to New York one of these days ! *grins

At the time of the benching he was shooting 37% for the year and 29% from three. You can say that yes, he possibly could get time, but to say he "deserves time" is not correct in my view. YOu have to earn minutes to deserve minutes. Until then, he's at the mercy of the coach.

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2/4/2010  12:47 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/4/2010  1:00 AM
His numbers were not great, but I still thought the team was better off with him getting big minutes prior to his injury. His contribution to the team after coming back from the injury clearly justified his benching, although in my opinion, MDA should have been given him the opportunity to win back his minutes, and Hughes should have kept his mouth shut and not complained publicly about his status.
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2/4/2010  12:52 AM
If DUDU got minutes....... Larry should of got minutes!!

Hughes is a much better Player on both ends!!

KNICKS on the way UP!!!
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2/4/2010  2:26 AM
Why is it so many are convinced Hughes would've made a difference if he played. He sucked for a good while and that's why he got benched. Until he shows he can give a consistent production he doesn't deserve anything.
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2/4/2010  3:28 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/4/2010  3:29 AM
nixluva wrote:Why is it so many are convinced Hughes would've made a difference if he played. He sucked for a good while and that's why he got benched. Until he shows he can give a consistent production he doesn't deserve anything.

i dunno if Hughes woulda made a huge difference but i do know he couldn't possibly have played any worse than Duhon or Bender over the stretch of games when he was benched... & he would have given u defense, something neither of the other 2 could give u... but hey, it's all about winning... let's put Bender out there, he clearly gives us a better chance to win games.

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2/4/2010  7:13 AM
Some of you guys crack me up. Seriously
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2/4/2010  9:48 AM
MDA puts his best players out there. Suck, and your benched. Gotta earn it around here.

Nate worked his way back and is starting. Duhan proves again he is nothing more than a backup. Thats ok. Give nate the ball and see what he can do.

I hope TD is ready cuz the job is his if he is up to it.

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2/4/2010  1:14 PM
Nalod wrote:MDA puts his best players out there. Suck, and your benched. Gotta earn it around here.

clearly that's just a fallacy, otherwise how can u explain Bender getting playing time over Hill or Duhon getting playing time over Nate? u telling me those guys are better players than the ones that are benched? why did it take this long for Duhon to finally get benched? so let me get this straight, guys like Nate, Hughes & JHill need to earn their minutes, why doesn't that apply to guys like Duhon, Jeffries & Bender? if u think those guys all earned their minutes ur kidding urselves here... there are other factors at play to explain why Jeffries is playing 35+ a night & 48 minutes against his old team the Wiz & it's not because he's our best player guys... y'all are being apologists here for MDA... dude is a good coach but there are definite areas of concern with him & his rotations.

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2/4/2010  8:39 PM
TMS wrote:
Nalod wrote:MDA puts his best players out there. Suck, and your benched. Gotta earn it around here.

clearly that's just a fallacy, otherwise how can u explain Bender getting playing time over Hill or Duhon getting playing time over Nate? u telling me those guys are better players than the ones that are benched? why did it take this long for Duhon to finally get benched? so let me get this straight, guys like Nate, Hughes & JHill need to earn their minutes, why doesn't that apply to guys like Duhon, Jeffries & Bender? if u think those guys all earned their minutes ur kidding urselves here... there are other factors at play to explain why Jeffries is playing 35+ a night & 48 minutes against his old team the Wiz & it's not because he's our best player guys... y'all are being apologists here for MDA... dude is a good coach but there are definite areas of concern with him & his rotations.

Again, we have no idea what goes on behind closed doors so when guys are so close in terms of numbers and abilities how can we make an assessment that one guy deserves it over another? Because I personally think he deserves time?? Because you think he deserves time? Is that legitimate? Duhon is going to the bench and Nate is getting more minutes. Larry went to the bench when he was shooting 36% from the field and now is getting another shot. It's obvious the coach is looking for someone to step up and no one is doing it. Until someone actually steps up and TAKES FIRM HOLD OF A POSITION they can't complain if someone else plays ahead of them(even if they suck). Until you distinguish yourself the coach is going to play who he thinks on film and in practice makes the team better.

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2/4/2010  8:48 PM
The biggest issue for any coach is consistency. If he doesn't feel he can get that it's gonna make it tough to set his rotation. Now neither Hughes nor Nate has ever shown they can consistently run the team or even play SG consistently. The only reason Duhon has been given a longer rope is cuz if he so much as plays DECENT this team plays better. If he's on his game this team wins games. He's unfortunately the best option we have at PG. We'll see how Nate handles this opportunity. I hope he really flourishes.

As for areas of concern about his rotations, you notice that he wasn't having problems when players were more consistent and he certainly didn't have any issues in PHX. We have a team with huge holes and people think it's easy to just settle on a rotation that works.

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2/4/2010  9:03 PM
TMS wrote:
Nalod wrote:MDA puts his best players out there. Suck, and your benched. Gotta earn it around here.

clearly that's just a fallacy, otherwise how can u explain Bender getting playing time over Hill or Duhon getting playing time over Nate? u telling me those guys are better players than the ones that are benched? why did it take this long for Duhon to finally get benched? so let me get this straight, guys like Nate, Hughes & JHill need to earn their minutes, why doesn't that apply to guys like Duhon, Jeffries & Bender? if u think those guys all earned their minutes ur kidding urselves here... there are other factors at play to explain why Jeffries is playing 35+ a night & 48 minutes against his old team the Wiz & it's not because he's our best player guys... y'all are being apologists here for MDA... dude is a good coach but there are definite areas of concern with him & his rotations.

Hey TMS, just so I'm clear, what do you think of Bender?

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2/4/2010  9:12 PM
Panos wrote:
TMS wrote:
Nalod wrote:MDA puts his best players out there. Suck, and your benched. Gotta earn it around here.

clearly that's just a fallacy, otherwise how can u explain Bender getting playing time over Hill or Duhon getting playing time over Nate? u telling me those guys are better players than the ones that are benched? why did it take this long for Duhon to finally get benched? so let me get this straight, guys like Nate, Hughes & JHill need to earn their minutes, why doesn't that apply to guys like Duhon, Jeffries & Bender? if u think those guys all earned their minutes ur kidding urselves here... there are other factors at play to explain why Jeffries is playing 35+ a night & 48 minutes against his old team the Wiz & it's not because he's our best player guys... y'all are being apologists here for MDA... dude is a good coach but there are definite areas of concern with him & his rotations.

Hey TMS, just so I'm clear, what do you think of Bender?

he's a difference maker.

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TMS wrote:
Nalod wrote:MDA puts his best players out there. Suck, and your benched. Gotta earn it around here.

clearly that's just a fallacy, otherwise how can u explain Bender getting playing time over Hill or Duhon getting playing time over Nate? u telling me those guys are better players than the ones that are benched? why did it take this long for Duhon to finally get benched? so let me get this straight, guys like Nate, Hughes & JHill need to earn their minutes, why doesn't that apply to guys like Duhon, Jeffries & Bender? if u think those guys all earned their minutes ur kidding urselves here... there are other factors at play to explain why Jeffries is playing 35+ a night & 48 minutes against his old team the Wiz & it's not because he's our best player guys... y'all are being apologists here for MDA... dude is a good coach but there are definite areas of concern with him & his rotations.

Again, we have no idea what goes on behind closed doors so when guys are so close in terms of numbers and abilities how can we make an assessment that one guy deserves it over another? Because I personally think he deserves time?? Because you think he deserves time? Is that legitimate? Duhon is going to the bench and Nate is getting more minutes. Larry went to the bench when he was shooting 36% from the field and now is getting another shot. It's obvious the coach is looking for someone to step up and no one is doing it. Until someone actually steps up and TAKES FIRM HOLD OF A POSITION they can't complain if someone else plays ahead of them(even if they suck). Until you distinguish yourself the coach is going to play who he thinks on film and in practice makes the team better.

bro, MDA is playing Jeffries to showcase him, not because he's taken firm hold of his position... i got no problem w/that but don't sit there & BS us by saying you're playing the guys who give us the best chance to win games & insult our intelligence... & the fact that some of you actually buy into his BS makes me SMH that much more.

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2/4/2010  9:16 PM
TMS wrote:
Panos wrote:
TMS wrote:
Nalod wrote:MDA puts his best players out there. Suck, and your benched. Gotta earn it around here.

clearly that's just a fallacy, otherwise how can u explain Bender getting playing time over Hill or Duhon getting playing time over Nate? u telling me those guys are better players than the ones that are benched? why did it take this long for Duhon to finally get benched? so let me get this straight, guys like Nate, Hughes & JHill need to earn their minutes, why doesn't that apply to guys like Duhon, Jeffries & Bender? if u think those guys all earned their minutes ur kidding urselves here... there are other factors at play to explain why Jeffries is playing 35+ a night & 48 minutes against his old team the Wiz & it's not because he's our best player guys... y'all are being apologists here for MDA... dude is a good coach but there are definite areas of concern with him & his rotations.

Hey TMS, just so I'm clear, what do you think of Bender?

he's a difference maker.

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Bippity10 wrote:
TMS wrote:
Nalod wrote:MDA puts his best players out there. Suck, and your benched. Gotta earn it around here.

clearly that's just a fallacy, otherwise how can u explain Bender getting playing time over Hill or Duhon getting playing time over Nate? u telling me those guys are better players than the ones that are benched? why did it take this long for Duhon to finally get benched? so let me get this straight, guys like Nate, Hughes & JHill need to earn their minutes, why doesn't that apply to guys like Duhon, Jeffries & Bender? if u think those guys all earned their minutes ur kidding urselves here... there are other factors at play to explain why Jeffries is playing 35+ a night & 48 minutes against his old team the Wiz & it's not because he's our best player guys... y'all are being apologists here for MDA... dude is a good coach but there are definite areas of concern with him & his rotations.

Again, we have no idea what goes on behind closed doors so when guys are so close in terms of numbers and abilities how can we make an assessment that one guy deserves it over another? Because I personally think he deserves time?? Because you think he deserves time? Is that legitimate? Duhon is going to the bench and Nate is getting more minutes. Larry went to the bench when he was shooting 36% from the field and now is getting another shot. It's obvious the coach is looking for someone to step up and no one is doing it. Until someone actually steps up and TAKES FIRM HOLD OF A POSITION they can't complain if someone else plays ahead of them(even if they suck). Until you distinguish yourself the coach is going to play who he thinks on film and in practice makes the team better.

bro, MDA is playing Jeffries to showcase him, not because he's taken firm hold of his position... i got no problem w/that but don't sit there & BS us by saying you're playing the guys who give us the best chance to win games & insult our intelligence... & the fact that some of you actually buy into his BS makes me SMH that much more.

And if he is showcasing him what exactly should he say to the press?

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i still dont get why people get so riled up what the coach says to the press. 99.9% of it is BS because coaches can't say what they really feel about their players because they're all babies... and i dont think any of it is ever for the fans.

mda- "im playing jeffries so much because donnie wants me to showcase him for a trade"
jj2- "i read that coach says they are playing me so much because they plan to trade me, im not sure i feel about being moved right now"
jj2- "actually, im really broken up about this, this could affect my performance"
posters at uk.com - "mda is such an idiot for telling the media they're showcasing jj2. what the hell is he doing?"

etc, etc, etc.

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2/4/2010  9:28 PM
Panos wrote:
TMS wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
TMS wrote:
Nalod wrote:MDA puts his best players out there. Suck, and your benched. Gotta earn it around here.

clearly that's just a fallacy, otherwise how can u explain Bender getting playing time over Hill or Duhon getting playing time over Nate? u telling me those guys are better players than the ones that are benched? why did it take this long for Duhon to finally get benched? so let me get this straight, guys like Nate, Hughes & JHill need to earn their minutes, why doesn't that apply to guys like Duhon, Jeffries & Bender? if u think those guys all earned their minutes ur kidding urselves here... there are other factors at play to explain why Jeffries is playing 35+ a night & 48 minutes against his old team the Wiz & it's not because he's our best player guys... y'all are being apologists here for MDA... dude is a good coach but there are definite areas of concern with him & his rotations.

Again, we have no idea what goes on behind closed doors so when guys are so close in terms of numbers and abilities how can we make an assessment that one guy deserves it over another? Because I personally think he deserves time?? Because you think he deserves time? Is that legitimate? Duhon is going to the bench and Nate is getting more minutes. Larry went to the bench when he was shooting 36% from the field and now is getting another shot. It's obvious the coach is looking for someone to step up and no one is doing it. Until someone actually steps up and TAKES FIRM HOLD OF A POSITION they can't complain if someone else plays ahead of them(even if they suck). Until you distinguish yourself the coach is going to play who he thinks on film and in practice makes the team better.

bro, MDA is playing Jeffries to showcase him, not because he's taken firm hold of his position... i got no problem w/that but don't sit there & BS us by saying you're playing the guys who give us the best chance to win games & insult our intelligence... & the fact that some of you actually buy into his BS makes me SMH that much more.

And if he is showcasing him what exactly should he say to the press?

he can say what he wants but i know it's all BS either way as i'm sure u do too... apparently some of these guys actually believe the stuff he shovels & take it as gospel.

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2/4/2010  10:49 PM
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DJMUSIC wrote:
Larry got hurt and before he played decent early in the season on BOTH ends of the court.
Wasn't even chucking like he once was in his early Sixer career.

He may run his mouth alot but he deserves to play especially if he brings it in practice is
reason MDA stated he played him tonight based on what he seen and the lack of energy from others
specifically Chris 'soft' Duhon

This season is it. Hughes may not be around is likely but I kinda like the edge he brings and
fact he took MDA on. Sure you gotta respect the coach and can't go too far personally. Edgy guys
on our knick roster ain't a bad thing especially when you're not playing well. Show's some guys
care sorta. I didn't recall hearing a peep or crap from L.Hughes when he was back and riding the
pine in December while Knicks were winning and putting together short win streaks.

However Larry is a pro. He may not be a star but there are few other stiffs on roster which has got
more minutes despite their bad play. Hughes needed to play himself out of the funk and now he'll get
a chance. Knicks ain't good enough yet to be not playing this guy OR playing others whom got no live
like Chris Duhon. He's got more chances than a cat with 9 lives.

Additionally Hughes played with LBJ and they have a relationship according to what's said so who knows ?
Perhaps a longshot LBJ gets to New York one of these days ! *grins

At the time of the benching he was shooting 37% for the year and 29% from three. You can say that yes, he possibly could get time, but to say he "deserves time" is not correct in my view. YOu have to earn minutes to deserve minutes. Until then, he's at the mercy of the coach.

True, agreed
its got to be genuinely EARNED playing time minutes.
Its been said he's been doing right things in practice
playing hard despite his disagreements with coach.

MDA may be more right than wrong my take is NY isnt good
enough to let others play the way we seen them with NO
leadership and spirit, emotions the way we watch them LOSE
alot in January. Only Chandler and Lee at times showed some
emotion but they were lost too. All in all team was disappointment
in few games they shoulda won if they came out with right attitude
and urgency. MDA ain't to blame for that its up to the players.

Too much slouch in the shoulders and defeated looks on knicks faces.
At least at times few Knicks can and should get in face of opponents
when they getting their tails/butts whipped and embarrassed so the case
vs MAVERICKS who laughed nearly the entire game on how easy it was.
Coaches get blamed for that one since it seems coaches gave up also
on competing vs Dallas.

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2/4/2010  10:54 PM
nixluva wrote:Why is it so many are convinced Hughes would've made a difference if he played. He sucked for a good while and that's why he got benched. Until he shows he can give a consistent production he doesn't deserve anything.

I hear ya but its not my point.
I believe when others sux for a few games or a week then you try something else to show you're
actually interested in winning the game. Sure Hughes shot himself in mouth with his lip off
but coach and player needed to talk. Larry cited MDA never spoke to him which is strange before
Hughes mouthed.

Hughes aint the answer, but I get tired of hearing other Knicks get credit for being good troopers
like Harrington and Duhon when they do squat and it doesnt seem to bother them when their butts get
kicked in games by teams which isn't the LAKERs, MAGIC, NUGGETS, JAZZ or CELTICs.

Too many players on team doesnt seem affected by butt whippings. I can deal with a loss or losses
Its HOW the Knicsk Lose which is point here, playing someone else one game (like J.Hill) may get
rest of em' mad enough to do something good in next game.

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