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2/1/2010  1:29 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/1/2010  1:29 PM
I hope someone at the Knicks front office looks at this thread, because IMO it is time for the Duhon starting thing to stop. Let's compare the two players:

Douglas
Pros

Can shoot the 3 ball and has a solid mid-range game.
Brings a scorer's mentality to the game and is not afraid to make clutch shots
Takes care of the basketball, does not turn it over
Not afraid to drive to the hole
Solid FT shooter
Excellent defender, plays passing lanes and harrasses opposing guards
High BB IQ, understands what he can and can't do

Cons

Not instinctive running the pick and roll, tends to think about running the offense rather than just running it
Gambles on defense sometimes which puts him out of position
A bit of a tweener

Duhon

Pros

Can set up David Lee on the pick and roll.

Cons

Defense is average at best
Lacks confidence as a shooter, goes through long dry spells
Is afraid to drive to the hole and is not good at finishing at the rim
Not really a clutch shooter
Fails to get anyone but Lee involved in the offense

I think this is a fairly honest assessment of the two players. So why in the world is Duhon starting while Douglas rides the bench. MDA wake up. If the team is going to lose by 20 pts every game, you might as well let the rookie ball and learn to run the offense.

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2/1/2010  1:38 PM
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2/1/2010  2:03 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/1/2010  2:04 PM
This is like weighing the pros and cons between banging that wild ass beast from the old Drew Carey show for the whole year, or jumping into a damn sewage tank.
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2/1/2010  2:47 PM
LOL, that was great. Shouldn't say the positives of Duhon took me by surprise though.
Duhon also turns the ball over little.
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2/1/2010  2:53 PM
I hate Duhon, but Douglas is not a PG (yet).

He overdribbles. He gets penetration and has no idea where the rest of his team is after he takes his man off the dribble.

When he's asked to score he plays well. When he's asked to defend he plays well. When he's asked to score, defend and PASS he's lost.

I think he is a nice piece but is learning the hardest position to learn, one he played very little of in school.

When Duhon is playing well and hitting the jumpers he's our best PG. Look at his #s in wins vs. losses. When he's shooting 25% we cant win and we dont. When he's hitting the J we are a pretty good team.

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2/1/2010  3:26 PM
earthmansurfer wrote:LOL, that was great. Shouldn't say the positives of Duhon took me by surprise though.
Duhon also turns the ball over little.

I was trying not to be too negative on Duhon, but honestly, it took me 10 minutes to come up with one "Pro."

Can someone name me one starting PG in the NBA that is worse than Duhon? I cannot think of anyone. In fact, I wager that at least 30% of the teams in the league have a backup pg that is better than Duhon.

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2/1/2010  3:39 PM
fishmike wrote:I hate Duhon, but Douglas is not a PG (yet).

He overdribbles. He gets penetration and has no idea where the rest of his team is after he takes his man off the dribble.

When he's asked to score he plays well. When he's asked to defend he plays well. When he's asked to score, defend and PASS he's lost.

I think he is a nice piece but is learning the hardest position to learn, one he played very little of in school.

When Duhon is playing well and hitting the jumpers he's our best PG. Look at his #s in wins vs. losses. When he's shooting 25% we cant win and we dont. When he's hitting the J we are a pretty good team.

So we should bench Duhon once he is 0 for 3- because then it doesn't matter if we lose with Duhon or Douglas, except one of those players needs to learn how to play PG, and one needs to get out of town this summer.
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2/1/2010  5:20 PM
Toney Douglas does not take care of the ball & is not an orchestrator of the offense... right now he's averaging almost a T/O per game in only 13 minutes & has an almost 1:1 TO/AST ratio... not what you're looking for out of your starting PG.

right now he's a defensive specialist energy guy that can score... he needs a lot more seasoning before he's considered a viable PG, but i have no problems just throwing him to the wolves & letting him learn on the job... this season is meaningless.

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2/1/2010  7:12 PM
TMS wrote:Toney Douglas does not take care of the ball & is not an orchestrator of the offense... right now he's averaging almost a T/O per game in only 13 minutes & has an almost 1:1 TO/AST ratio... not what you're looking for out of your starting PG.

right now he's a defensive specialist energy guy that can score... he needs a lot more seasoning before he's considered a viable PG, but i have no problems just throwing him to the wolves & letting him learn on the job... this season is meaningless.

ayeaye. our run in december had me thinking playoff run to attract potential FAs but I think we can stick a fork in that dream

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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2/1/2010  7:15 PM
TMS wrote:Toney Douglas does not take care of the ball & is not an orchestrator of the offense... right now he's averaging almost a T/O per game in only 13 minutes & has an almost 1:1 TO/AST ratio... not what you're looking for out of your starting PG.

right now he's a defensive specialist energy guy that can score... he needs a lot more seasoning before he's considered a viable PG, but i have no problems just throwing him to the wolves & letting him learn on the job... this season is meaningless.


It's called developing players our coach might want to look it up. it's the very reason we didn't sign Allen Iverson.
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2/1/2010  7:18 PM
TheGame wrote:
Duhon

Pros

Can set up David Lee on the pick and roll.

Can drink all opposing point guards under the table.

Cons

Defense is average at best
Lacks confidence as a shooter, goes through long dry spells
Is afraid to drive to the hole and is not good at finishing at the rim
Not really a clutch shooter
Fails to get anyone but Lee involved in the offense

I think this is a fairly honest assessment of the two players. So why in the world is Duhon starting while Douglas rides the bench. MDA wake up. If the team is going to lose by 20 pts every game, you might as well let the rookie ball and learn to run the offense.
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2/1/2010  7:25 PM
Juice wrote:
TMS wrote:Toney Douglas does not take care of the ball & is not an orchestrator of the offense... right now he's averaging almost a T/O per game in only 13 minutes & has an almost 1:1 TO/AST ratio... not what you're looking for out of your starting PG.

right now he's a defensive specialist energy guy that can score... he needs a lot more seasoning before he's considered a viable PG, but i have no problems just throwing him to the wolves & letting him learn on the job... this season is meaningless.


It's called developing players our coach might want to look it up. it's the very reason we didn't sign Allen Iverson.

i'm giving this 18 more days... after the trade deadline the young kids have to be playing, there's no excuse left anymore for them not to get max burn at that point

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TheGame wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:LOL, that was great. Shouldn't say the positives of Duhon took me by surprise though.
Duhon also turns the ball over little.

I was trying not to be too negative on Duhon, but honestly, it took me 10 minutes to come up with one "Pro."

Can someone name me one starting PG in the NBA that is worse than Duhon? I cannot think of anyone. In fact, I wager that at least 30% of the teams in the league have a backup pg that is better than Duhon.

I think Rafer Alston is starting for the Heat now, but even that's debatable. Makes me look fondly on the Chris Childs/Charlie Ward days lol

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2/1/2010  7:40 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/1/2010  7:40 PM
TMS wrote:
Juice wrote:
TMS wrote:Toney Douglas does not take care of the ball & is not an orchestrator of the offense... right now he's averaging almost a T/O per game in only 13 minutes & has an almost 1:1 TO/AST ratio... not what you're looking for out of your starting PG.

right now he's a defensive specialist energy guy that can score... he needs a lot more seasoning before he's considered a viable PG, but i have no problems just throwing him to the wolves & letting him learn on the job... this season is meaningless.


It's called developing players our coach might want to look it up. it's the very reason we didn't sign Allen Iverson.

i'm giving this 18 more days... after the trade deadline the young kids have to be playing, there's no excuse left anymore for them not to get max burn at that point

See this is pissing me off now, because it doesnt make any damn sense why A.I isnt on the Knicks, if they were gunna sit the youngsters for veterans. Iverson is one of my favorite players of all time and I would have loved to see him put on a NY uni if for no reason than to distract us from this mediocre team!

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2/1/2010  7:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/1/2010  7:47 PM
sebstar wrote:
TMS wrote:
Juice wrote:
TMS wrote:Toney Douglas does not take care of the ball & is not an orchestrator of the offense... right now he's averaging almost a T/O per game in only 13 minutes & has an almost 1:1 TO/AST ratio... not what you're looking for out of your starting PG.

right now he's a defensive specialist energy guy that can score... he needs a lot more seasoning before he's considered a viable PG, but i have no problems just throwing him to the wolves & letting him learn on the job... this season is meaningless.


It's called developing players our coach might want to look it up. it's the very reason we didn't sign Allen Iverson.

i'm giving this 18 more days... after the trade deadline the young kids have to be playing, there's no excuse left anymore for them not to get max burn at that point

See this is pissing me off now, because it doesnt make any damn sense why A.I isnt on the Knicks, if they were gunna sit the youngsters for veterans. Iverson is one of my favorite players of all time and I would have loved to see him put on a NY uni if for no reason than to distract us from this mediocre team!


Pringles rope with some fans is "Long And Strong They Want To Get The Friction On".....some day maybe in the distant future(rolling eyes). A stiff corpse could have been stationed courtside and achieved the same results with this team.
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2/1/2010  7:48 PM
sebstar wrote:
TMS wrote:
Juice wrote:
TMS wrote:Toney Douglas does not take care of the ball & is not an orchestrator of the offense... right now he's averaging almost a T/O per game in only 13 minutes & has an almost 1:1 TO/AST ratio... not what you're looking for out of your starting PG.

right now he's a defensive specialist energy guy that can score... he needs a lot more seasoning before he's considered a viable PG, but i have no problems just throwing him to the wolves & letting him learn on the job... this season is meaningless.


It's called developing players our coach might want to look it up. it's the very reason we didn't sign Allen Iverson.

i'm giving this 18 more days... after the trade deadline the young kids have to be playing, there's no excuse left anymore for them not to get max burn at that point

See this is pissing me off now, because it doesnt make any damn sense why A.I isnt on the Knicks, if they were gunna sit the youngsters for veterans. Iverson is one of my favorite players of all time and I would have loved to see him put on a NY uni if for no reason than to distract us from this mediocre team!

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2/1/2010  7:53 PM
^^^^^^^

We were Fake Hustlin during the summer putting word out there we involved in all these discussion but never had any real intentions on acting on them.
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2/1/2010  7:54 PM
sebdawg wants to see AI put on a Knicks uniform, i'd like to see this chick take off this Knicks uniform

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2/1/2010  9:57 PM
Duhon's a flake, but he sets up guys a lot better than Toney. But TD plays D, and it's worth getting him more burn even at the expense of losing, since he will be our backup PG next season (I hope he's not the starter)...
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2/1/2010  9:58 PM
advantage: duhon.

duhon is the best we have at PG right now and it's not his fault. he is what he is.

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