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Lee Trades(Nate can be included)

Lee and Carl Landry 4 Sergio Rodriguez/Kenny Thomas/31rst pick(2010)

Lee and Carl Landry 4 Javele McGee/Nick Young/Fabricio Oberto

Lee and Nate 4 Outlaw/Fernandez/Blake/2010 second and 2011 second

Lee and Carl Landry 4 D.J. Augustin/Derrick Brown/Both 2010 second

Lee and Nate 4 Robin Lopez/Earl Clark/Barbosa/2011 second

Lee and Nate 4 DeAndre Jordan/Craig Smith/Telfair/Novak/2011 second

Carl Landry plays for the Rockets. This must come from real GM--of course lets trade a great player for a pile of sht and a second round pick--sounds about right!

but Juice, study up on the salary cap & take a look at D Lee's contract this season & you'll see why none of your trade ideas are even remotely feasible whether you meant to say Marcus Landry or not.

Lee and Marcus Landry 4 Sergio Rodriguez/Kenny Thomas/31rst pick(2010) is close but you still can't make that trade because of the salary cap restrictions... check over your trade ideas on Trade Checker before u post em if you're not sure if the dollars match up.

http://www.realgm.com/src_tradechecker/1/

TMS wrote:Carl Landry? u smokin the good stuff tonight bro?

I meant Marcus..will edit

Juice wrote:

TMS wrote:i'm pretty sure he meant to say Marcus Landry... at least i hope so.

but Juice, study up on the salary cap & take a look at D Lee's contract this season & you'll see why none of your trade ideas are even remotely feasible whether you meant to say Marcus Landry or not.

Lee and Marcus Landry 4 Sergio Rodriguez/Kenny Thomas/31rst pick(2010) is close but you still can't make that trade because of the salary cap restrictions... check over your trade ideas on Trade Checker before u post em if you're not sure if the dollars match up.

http://www.realgm.com/src_tradechecker/1/

The trades were suggestions as to, talent/assets to get back. You can throw Duhon in on the first trade to make it work and tweak the others etc etc. I understand about the BYC issues and whatnot with Lee and Nate. These trades were essentially premises and not to be viewed as set in stone CBA approved. Basically I'm looking for youth/assets and to fulfill major positions of need. Good luck thinking we get anything of major significance for Lee and/or Nate.

Nate shoulda been traded last year before the deadline but i still think we can get back a late round pick for him... & i think we'll either work out some kinda S&T for Lee this offseason or he'll be signed to a longterm extension... Lee carries pretty good value if u ask me.

No team(who has cap space) has to do any S&T with us in the summer as they can out right pay him.

if one of those teams are the Raptors or Suns for example a S&T makes sense... u don't ever wanna lose your franchise player for nothing & Lee could be a piece to get a deal done if the Knicks decide to target either of those guys in free agency... it also allows both players to have their teams utilize their Bird Rights to sign them to more years, so all parties win out in that type of scenario.

Juice wrote:

TMS wrote:

No team(who has cap space) has to do any S&T with us in the summer as they can out right pay him.

if one of those teams are the Raptors or Suns for example a S&T makes sense... u don't ever wanna lose your franchise player for nothing & Lee could be a piece to get a deal done if the Knicks decide to target either of those guys in free agency... it also allows both players to have their teams utilize their Bird Rights to sign them to more years, so all parties win out in that type of scenario.

Sorry this is what has us in an almost fuched position now...trying to wait it out. When will we ever be proactive and control our own destiny. Say OKC offers Lee 5yrs/$65mil as he would fit nice with them, there's no S&T scenario there really in particular not with the teams you mention. Amare has gone on record stating he wants to play on a team that can win a chip and play where it's warm. He'd rather stay in Phx but if he bolts we're probably behind a couple teams. Current rumors with Phx kinda give you an idea what they're looking for with Amare(Nets and Philly) being mentioned amongst the leading suitors. I want youth for Lee not paying Max money for players who can barely get their teams to the playoffs. Not to mention Amare could very well get injured with a heavy contract on the payroll.

i think Amare is angling for a trade to MIA to play with D Wade personally, but i don't think he'd refuse a trade to NY, especially if there was a chance that Lebron would also sign here... obviously that's contingent on us trading Fishlips as part of that David Lee deal, but i think it would be worked out to serve both parties... Fishlips has at least shown he can contribute... if Amare doesn't wanna come play on the Knicks there's no way he'd wanna play for the Nets... NJ's only chance to trade for Amare is at the deadline this season & they'll most likely lose him after the season's over cuz there's no way Lebron or Wade are gonna come to NJ to play w/him... no way they can work out a S&T after the season's over when Amare has some say in the matter.

i would love to get back youth for David Lee too but next year will no longer be a rebuilding situation, they want to get back to contention in 2010 if at all possible... plus his expiring contract places limitations on the type of deals u can pursue.

anyway, i'm not even that crazy about the idea of trading Lee for Amare, i'm just saying that's a possible avenue if you want to trade Lee cuz there aren't all that many options at this point cuz of Lee's veto rights.

TMS wrote:

Juice wrote:

TMS wrote:

No team(who has cap space) has to do any S&T with us in the summer as they can out right pay him.

if one of those teams are the Raptors or Suns for example a S&T makes sense... u don't ever wanna lose your franchise player for nothing & Lee could be a piece to get a deal done if the Knicks decide to target either of those guys in free agency... it also allows both players to have their teams utilize their Bird Rights to sign them to more years, so all parties win out in that type of scenario.

Sorry this is what has us in an almost fuched position now...trying to wait it out. When will we ever be proactive and control our own destiny. Say OKC offers Lee 5yrs/$65mil as he would fit nice with them, there's no S&T scenario there really in particular not with the teams you mention. Amare has gone on record stating he wants to play on a team that can win a chip and play where it's warm. He'd rather stay in Phx but if he bolts we're probably behind a couple teams. Current rumors with Phx kinda give you an idea what they're looking for with Amare(Nets and Philly) being mentioned amongst the leading suitors. I want youth for Lee not paying Max money for players who can barely get their teams to the playoffs. Not to mention Amare could very well get injured with a heavy contract on the payroll.

i think Amare is angling for a trade to MIA to play with D Wade personally, but i don't think he'd refuse a trade to NY, especially if there was a chance that Lebron would also sign here... obviously that's contingent on us trading Fishlips as part of that David Lee deal, but i think it would be worked out to serve both parties... Fishlips has at least shown he can contribute... if Amare doesn't wanna come play on the Knicks there's no way he'd wanna play for the Nets... NJ's only chance to trade for Amare is at the deadline this season & they'll most likely lose him after the season's over cuz there's no way Lebron or Wade are gonna come to NJ to play w/him... no way they can work out a S&T after the season's over when Amare has some say in the matter.

i would love to get back youth for David Lee too but next year will no longer be a rebuilding situation, they want to get back to contention in 2010 if at all possible... plus his expiring contract places limitations on the type of deals u can pursue.

anyway, i'm not even that crazy about the idea of trading Lee for Amare, i'm just saying that's a possible avenue if you want to trade Lee cuz there aren't all that many options at this point cuz of Lee's veto rights.

Amare said he'd be cool playing for the Nets(I don't think he wants to limit his money options), although I don't think they are his top choice. I think we could get youth from Phx now for Lee and still be able to sign a Max Player. If Amare is traded at the deadline whatever team trades for him will have an agreement in place much like K.G. had with Boston for an extension or contract signed in the off-season

the only guy i'd wanna trade for on the Suns is Steve Nash & if i'm trading for Nash i'd wanna hold onto David Lee cuz i think they'd work real well together in the P&R... thing is, we don't have the necessary talent to offer up for Nash unless we're willing to include Gallo & Lee in the same package, which i don't see Donnie doing for a player of Nash's age... so really, the only remotely feasible deal i can think of w/the Suns is something like:

Amare/Jared Dudley for Lee/Fishlips type S&T exchange this summer

- that puts our payroll at just under $40M for 2010, so depending on what the salary cap ends up being, we might be within range of signing another max free agent like Lebron James as well.

C - Amare / Curry (he might even see a resurgence w/newfound motivation to play w/Lebron)
PF - Gallinari / Hill
SF - Lebron / Dudley
SG - Wilson / 2nd round pick or Marcus Landry
PG - Douglas / 2nd round pick or veteran's minimum signing

still don't think that's yet a championship team, but definitely playoff bound in the East... in 2011 you have another $11M coming off the books after Curry's contract expires so u can sign another impact player & maybe contend for a championship.