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jusnice
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1/26/2010  9:07 AM
As Hahn points out..."Of course a deal has to work both ways. I've talked to a handful of NBA general managers and personnel executives over the last week and have gotten a consistent message: the Knicks just don't have players anyone is that interested in (outside of David Lee and Danilo Gallinari, of course). You're not going to get Tracy McGrady for Jared Jeffries and Eddy Curry. You're not going to land Amar'e Stoudemire for Jordan Hill and Larry Hughes."

I'm getting really tired of all these trade scenarios that involve people taking jeffries and curry. They are not assets. The only way we would get someone of quality is if we trade Chandler, Gallo, or Lee. Of the three, Chandler is least attractive at this point. If one of these three isn't traded, then I'm 99.9% sure we are not going to acquire a key player this year. The only decision that has to be made is if we try to sign Lee sooner rather than later OR if we move on and target 2 big FA's this summer.

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1/26/2010  9:42 AM
Dreaming is not a crime, it's a pleasure.
Don't take it way from us mister obvious.
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1/26/2010  10:23 AM
Well, we might not trade, but there's nothing wrong with speculating. I disagree about JJ. He could be a valuable piece for a contender who needs defensive help. He can guard all five spots, block shots, and really bolster a defensive set. Would only work for a team with solid scorers at the other four spots, since JJ is worse than my ten year old at scoring.

Stifling trade talk isn't necessary. Just stop reading the thread you don't like. Besides, February is just around the corner. After that, it'll be all about the summer for the remainder of the year.

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1/26/2010  10:26 AM
Tangible trade assets we have are the expirings, Al and Nate. That can get you some decent players.
From Berman, Donnie talking about his scout meeting:

"I will pick their brains, [as] they are out there looking at pro teams," Walsh said. "Who do you think can play that we don't know about or don't see a lot? That kind of thing. We have guys who know the teams. But it takes two to tango."

Maybe Sergio Rodriguez, Steve Blake or DJ Augustin. That's the kind of trades the Knicks can make with what they have.

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1/26/2010  10:48 AM
when you look at some of the players and contracts that have been traded over recent years and nothing is impossible. Is it likely? Certainly not, but it only takes one team to dance. Curry obviously isnt happening with his latest injury/surgury but JJ as part of a package isnt impossible.
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jusnice
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1/26/2010  11:08 AM
arkrud wrote:Dreaming is not a crime, it's a pleasure.
Don't take it way from us mister obvious.

apparently not so obvious with all the scenarious / wishes being posted. I'm not saying its a crime, just saying the majority of the trade proposals I've seen on the UK site are less than likely (e.g. Nash)

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1/26/2010  11:39 AM
We have a ton of expiring contracts and assorted assets (yes Jordan Hill is a major asset). Jeffries and Curry's contracts only extend beyond another year --- its not as if they are in year 3 of a 7 year deal. Not everybody is going to be a participant in the free agent sweepstakes of 2010, so I dont get why grabbing Jeffries is such a laughable proposition.

I think it has more to do with not wanting to help NY become a powerhouse more than anything. GM's think about that sort of shyt, and dont want their name attached to a deal that could potentially turn NY into a champion throughout this decade.

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1/26/2010  11:46 AM
Jeffries could get traded for a 2010 if we give up an asset with him. Al Harrington is an asset. Nate Robinson and a 2nd round pick are assets. Hughes makes too much to be an asset because it's tough to make a huge deal work when you're trying to dump 7M 2011 in salary for 0M 2011 in salary. We're not going to use Chandler or Hill to dump Jeffries IMO.

A trade is possible so there is no crazy talk.

Eddy Curry is unmovable unless we break the bank for Houston. Hill, Chandler, Douglas, 2nd round picks, Curry for broken down TMac who we agree to waive immediately. Then, yeah, maybe.

----The CRAZY TALK that needs to stop is the few who are dying for Donnie to make a cap killing trade so we can sneak into the playoffs with 35 wins and get swept in the first round. That's the crazy talk that needs to stop.

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1/26/2010  11:49 AM
Cosmic wrote:Jeffries could get traded for a 2010 if we give up an asset with him. Al Harrington is an asset.

Thats what I am talking about...I dont get why such a scenario is so "crazy"...seems there are other forces at work.

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1/26/2010  11:51 AM
Ha, as if being crazy and being a Knicks fan are mutually exclusive!
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1/26/2010  3:31 PM
Fishlips & Curry's contracts are albatrosses, not assets... we need to add assets to unload either one of them, & even then finding a taker will be nearly impossible.

our expiring contracts are not really "assets" either unless we're willing to take back contracts that extend past 2010, which Donnie has gone on record as saying he isn't willing to do numerous times... so scratch off guys like Harrington, Hughes, Darko.

Lee & Nate both have right of refusal, so our hands are tied when it comes to those guys... the time to trade those guys was last year.

our 2nd rounders don't have much value either, u can buy 2nd round picks in the draft every year.

right now, Gallo, Wilson, Hill, TD & Mobley's contract are the only real "assets" we have.

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1/26/2010  3:37 PM
WindsorPl wrote:Tangible trade assets we have are the expirings, Al and Nate. That can get you some decent players.
From Berman, Donnie talking about his scout meeting:

"I will pick their brains, [as] they are out there looking at pro teams," Walsh said. "Who do you think can play that we don't know about or don't see a lot? That kind of thing. We have guys who know the teams. But it takes two to tango."

Maybe Sergio Rodriguez, Steve Blake or DJ Augustin. That's the kind of trades the Knicks can make with what they have.

Id be willing to give up TD--he's not a PG and he's 6-1. I don't think he is a bad player--and could potentially do well in a 6th man role. But force-feeding the PG position isn't happening.

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1/26/2010  5:51 PM
TMS wrote:Fishlips & Curry's contracts are albatrosses, not assets... we need to add assets to unload either one of them, & even then finding a taker will be nearly impossible.

See, I disagree. They would be albatross' to me if they extended for a few more years, but they expire in a year and a half. If a team is not able to participate in this upcoming free agent pool, that contract becomes a huge asset.

But we would obviously have to pair one of our contracts with one of our tangible assets, such as a Jordan hill or chandler to make it enticing.

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1/26/2010  6:03 PM
sebstar wrote:
TMS wrote:Fishlips & Curry's contracts are albatrosses, not assets... we need to add assets to unload either one of them, & even then finding a taker will be nearly impossible.

See, I disagree. They would be albatross' to me if they extended for a few more years, but they expire in a year and a half. If a team is not able to participate in this upcoming free agent pool, that contract becomes a huge asset.

But we would obviously have to pair one of our contracts with one of our tangible assets, such as a Jordan hill or chandler to make it enticing.

those contracts only become an asset to teams that are looking to dump contracts of even longer length, & considering the type of talent we're talking about here in FL & Curry, you won't get much either way... they are a hindrance to any trade we wanna make... Donnie's insistence on including 1 of those contracts to teams looking to make deals with us for any of our expirings is turning teams off left & right.

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1/26/2010  6:05 PM
TMS wrote:
sebstar wrote:
TMS wrote:Fishlips & Curry's contracts are albatrosses, not assets... we need to add assets to unload either one of them, & even then finding a taker will be nearly impossible.

See, I disagree. They would be albatross' to me if they extended for a few more years, but they expire in a year and a half. If a team is not able to participate in this upcoming free agent pool, that contract becomes a huge asset.

But we would obviously have to pair one of our contracts with one of our tangible assets, such as a Jordan hill or chandler to make it enticing.

those contracts only become an asset to teams that are looking to dump contracts of even longer length, & considering the type of talent we're talking about here in FL & Curry, you won't get much either way... they are a hindrance to any trade we wanna make... Donnie's insistence on including 1 of those contracts to teams looking to make deals with us for any of our expirings is turning teams off left & right.

Not unless you're a playoff team...Boston for instance, that has no designs on 2010 and you're looking for a versatile defender off the bench, such as Jefferies, and you're willing to eat his contract for this year.

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1/26/2010  6:13 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/26/2010  6:14 PM
i don't see any matches with BOS... they only have Veal, House & T Allen's expirings to offer us & i personally don't think they'd make that trade to tell u the truth... they could probably get better players than Fishlips from other teams looking to dump salary.

i'm not saying a Fishlips trade is impossible, but we'll have to throw in some of our assets to get a deal done, which pretty much means he's an albatross & not an asset.

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1/26/2010  6:38 PM
What about JJ for TJ ford? It actually saves IND money so we don't have to worry about sweetening an albatross contract.

TJ Ford > Duhon

> Duhon = Playoffs

Playoffs = LeBron

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1/26/2010  6:54 PM
kam77 wrote:What about JJ for TJ ford? It actually saves IND money so we don't have to worry about sweetening an albatross contract.

TJ Ford > Duhon

> Duhon = Playoffs

Playoffs = LeBron

when u add in FL's 15% trade kicker it only really saves them 500K

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1/26/2010  8:05 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/26/2010  8:05 PM
Are you factoring the trade kicker once or twice? It doesn't carry over into next year if he is traded this year. He gets more this year, but the same he would've got next year.
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1/26/2010  8:45 PM
kam77 wrote:Are you factoring the trade kicker once or twice? It doesn't carry over into next year if he is traded this year. He gets more this year, but the same he would've got next year.

Doesn't it raise the entire worth of the contract by 15% regardless of when the player is traded?

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