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nyk4ever
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1/25/2010  7:40 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/25/2010  7:45 PM
By MARC BERMAN

Last Updated: 5:37 PM, January 25, 2010

Posted: 3:34 AM, January 25, 2010

When the Timberwolves visit the Garden tomorrow, they'll be without the 19-year-old floppy-haired Spanish point guard the Knicks still covet.

Ricky Rubio, whom the Wolves drafted sixth, is playing in Spain this season, switching teams to FC Barcelona. That actually turned out well for the Knicks, who are still marking his progress.

Knicks international scout Kevin Wilson, who's responsible for their pick of Danilo Gallinari, lives in Barcelona and the Regal Barcelona team is his hometown club. It has been well-documented Wilson is friends with the Rubio family and Ricky's parents would love to see the Timberwolves deal him to New York.

Wilson is in town this week as the Knicks have their scouting meetings as a prelude to the Feb. 19 trading deadline and discussing available point guards will be a priority.

Knicks president Donnie Walsh told The Post the last time he spoke to Wolves president David Kahn, his former assistant in Indiana, he was told Minnesota wasn't accepting trade offers now. Rubio is averaging 5.6 assists for Barcelona and showing marked improvement, but he's still leery about spending his career in Minnesota.

"David has told me he wants to bring Ricky over for next season," Walsh told The Post.

Beyond signing a maximum free agent, the Knicks will be in the market for a point guard this offseason since Chris Duhon and Nate Robinson will become free agents and aren't likely to be re-signed.

I still hope there is someway we can pry him from Kahn. I'm not sure what his trade value is at the moment so Kahn might have backed himself into a wall with this...

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1/25/2010  7:57 PM
I hope so too, nyk4ever. He would be awesome here.
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1/25/2010  8:33 PM
Ditto. But this is typical Berman non-news. He's just has to write something to keep the job he does so poorly so he comes up with shyte like this. Rubio would be ideal here if we miss on Lebron. Despite Lebron's ball-handing and ability to run the point, having a point guard like Rubio would enable Lebron to modify his game and get his teammates even more open looks. We all know Lebron can create for himself and others. I think that would only be accentuated with a playmaking guard. Rubio does need to hit the open threes, though. I think he can. He might not have been hitting on the day one of the UKers observed him in games, but he hit a LOT of them in his Rubio reel on YouTube. And he can slash quite well, too.
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1/25/2010  8:54 PM
We are posting Berman articlkes now. So we get blown out by 50 points, but surely i hasn't come to this. yet?
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1/25/2010  9:02 PM
loweyecue wrote:We are posting Berman articlkes now. So we get blown out by 50 points, but surely i hasn't come to this. yet?

rubio! i hate berman as much as the next, but ill be happy with any rubio rumors i hear.

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1/25/2010  9:08 PM
the Rubio camp needs to work with us. Either his rights go to the Knicks or he signs a 5 year deal in Europe. Knicks can trade them a fart in the wind. Maybe Chandler
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1/26/2010  3:15 AM
Rubio seemed so much better before Jennings dropped over 50 in the first month of his rookie campaign.
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1/26/2010  3:49 AM
maybe to you, but i fail to see what jennings 'dropping 50' has anything to do with ricky. i take ricky any day.
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1/26/2010  3:53 AM
orangeblobman wrote:maybe to you, but i fail to see what jennings 'dropping 50' has anything to do with ricky. i take ricky any day.

Because we could have drafted our point guard of the future, who is actually performing at the NBA level, rather than chasing Rubio all around Europe and having to deal with a mentally ill GM in Minnesota.

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1/26/2010  4:01 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/26/2010  4:02 AM
fishmike wrote:the Rubio camp needs to work with us. Either his rights go to the Knicks or he signs a 5 year deal in Europe. Knicks can trade them a fart in the wind. Maybe Chandler

I sure hope so. I think Rubio for Chandler is fair market value. Chandler is looking great; he is replaceable. A point guard with transcendent passing abilities is much more difficult to find.

There certainly are risks though. That said, I'd be much more comfortable looking for wings as opposed to a big and a point.

Rubio
x
y
Gallo
Lee

works for me, especially when x could be Douglas or Wade, and Y could either be Gallo (with Hill taking his spot) or LBJ.

DLeethal wrote: Lol Rick needs a safe space
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1/26/2010  8:03 AM
The positive thing about Ricky is, he has no reason to come to the NBA to play for any Team, except the team he chooses. He already signed a 6 year contract, and by the way Barca is taking care of their young players, he will get a mighty salary raise every year. He is playing at a team that is cruising trough the Euroleague and leeds the national league as well (Combined record of 37:1 last time I checked). In other words: why should he leave all of that just to play for the Wolves?

He will descide when to come over, if he comes at all. And thats Donnies chance, which i just hope he will actually take. But its the same thing as allways: we need to present something to Ricky, he probably wont come to NY is they merely resign David. It all is starting by Gallo, Lee and Hill beeing a perfect support for a contender. If we have that, Rubio/Bron will come over, because Bron/Rubio will have allready signed. Just get one marquee player and the other one will follow.

Btw: Doesnt it hurt the NBA if the top european players can descide on their own where to play? I mean, if Jennings wasnt so eager to play in the NBA he might as well have been picked up by a big euro team and demanded to be traded to the Lakers in a year or two.
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1/26/2010  8:57 AM
Special players can create markets for themselves.

Rickey would still be under a rookie scale which handicaps his situation. As his star grows and money potential grows in Europe he would have to take a cut. Fran Vasquez did this at the no. 11 pick but a 4th pick is a different story.

Im not sure if the rookie scale comes off at some point unless Minny renounces him and he is a free agent.

Rickey has earning potential way beyond basketball with his pop star looks. This kids star power is huge. If he could be a star player it could be bigger than Lebron.

Yesterday there were quick reports that he wants a west coast team or warm weather and knicks are as good as any other team but the timing on that just looked like it was done to control the media stories floating as Minny and NY get set to play a game. Rickey got an 8 million dollar buy out this year and nothing next.

For it to happen in NY, there must be some extra money for him. Think him in NY is worth at least 8 mil on the onset? Im sure he can get a loan from Nike.

Its an interesting story but one that gets played out behind the scenes.

Don't forget the NEts. The russian got huge Euro money and could set this kid up in ways we can't imagine.
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1/26/2010  9:04 AM
Despite a published report indicating the Knicks are showing renewed interest in Spanish point guard Ricky Rubio, a representative for Rubio's agency in Spain says he isn't likely to land at Madison Square Garden anytime soon.

"Minnesota knows what they have so I don't see his rights getting traded so easily," said Tim Shea, a former Knicks European scout and a representative for Rubio's agency in Spain.

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1/26/2010  9:24 AM
if a player declares entry into the nba draft...and is drafted...but decides to go elsewhere to play, he should be banned from the nba for 5 years.
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1/26/2010  9:34 AM
I am a big supported of Rubio coming to NY. I would trade Chandler and a 1st rounder for him. I think he will be that good. In reality that deal does not cost NY all that much. Chandler plays LBJ's position, so enough said. A 1st round pick when you have Rubio, LBJ, Gallo, Lee, Hill, TD and some others is not worth all that much. If they want some money, give them money too.
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1/26/2010  9:46 AM
I would be very careful with this kid. His stats aren't all that impressive and he is a big risk. He can't shoot the ball very well and Chandler at times can dominate the games best. I'm not including a pick for with a proven player averaging 14pts at age 21.

The guys on the Redeem Team think he is very special. If we can get that swap done straight up I think in the long run it benefits the team so I would do it. I works for Minny as well.
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1/26/2010  10:00 AM
djsunyc wrote:if a player declares entry into the nba draft...and is drafted...but decides to go elsewhere to play, he should be banned from the nba for 5 years.

I actually kind of agree with this. The NBA should also make much better use of their developmental league also. But I agree that if you declare you must he locked in to playing in the league. Arvydis Sabonis and Fran Vazquez come to mind when thinking how it cost teams valuable picks.

There should be a system in place. I personally think that a player should he under the drafting teams rights for at least 3 years. If the player isn't here playing by then, the team can forfeit the rights to the player-and the player must re-enter the draft, the NEXT year-essentially giving up 4 years and no free agent contract-and the team is awarded a compensation pick at the end of the round said player was drafted in.

In Rubio's case where he was drafted by an NBA team then bought out and signed by another Euro team or signs with a Euro team as a FA after being drafted should not be allowed in the NBA for 5 years mandatory unless he pays his full buy out with no contribution from any NBA team but the one who holds his draft rights. In which case the wolves have the right to let him go as a FA and get a compensation pick next year or hold his rights for a max 2 years after his buyout and get no compensation.

In addition I think that any team that drafts a player under contract of a Euro team(as in Rubio's case) the drafting team should be responsible for the full buyout of the contract at time of signing said player to his NBA contract. Refer to the rule above if the team can not come to a contract agreement with the player.

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1/26/2010  10:04 AM
maybe ban is too harsh a word. imposing a rule like this goes against capitalism and the ability of someone to take care of their own future.

as a small example, i offer this: if i applied for a job with microsoft, but yahoo gave me an extra $10k, more responsibility and a better title, would it mean that if another position opened up in microsoft a year or 2 later that better fit my skills, i couldn't apply?
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1/26/2010  10:08 AM
jimimou wrote:maybe ban is too harsh a word. imposing a rule like this goes against capitalism and the ability of someone to take care of their own future.

as a small example, i offer this: if i applied for a job with microsoft, but yahoo gave me an extra $10k, more responsibility and a better title, would it mean that if another position opened up in microsoft a year or 2 later that better fit my skills, i couldn't apply?

difference is yahoo + microsoft don't have to give you a guaranteed salary.
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1/26/2010  10:08 AM
jimimou wrote:maybe ban is too harsh a word. imposing a rule like this goes against capitalism and the ability of someone to take care of their own future.

as a small example, i offer this: if i applied for a job with microsoft, but yahoo gave me an extra $10k, more responsibility and a better title, would it mean that if another position opened up in microsoft a year or 2 later that better fit my skills, i couldn't apply?

But losing you doesn't cost Microsoft a 4th overall pick. There is a much much much bigger pool of applicants to choose from in your example.

I don't know your skill level but losing out on a high pick can cost a team years. Losing out on you may cost Microsoft a few days.

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