"In 2000, Ewing left the Knicks as part of a trade to the Seattle SuperSonics. In the trade, the Knicks sent Ewing to Seattle and Chris Dudley to Phoenix, and received Glen Rice, Luc Longley, Travis Knight, Vladimir Stepania, Lazaro Borrell, Vernon Maxwell, two first-round draft picks (from the Los Angeles Lakers and Seattle) and two second-round draft picks from Seattle. Many would later consider the trade a significant part of the Knicks' disintegration from a former NBA powerhouse to perennial loser."

Which then became the Shandon Anderson/Howard Eisley trade.

"Glen Rice traded by New York to Houston Rockets as part of three-team deal on August 17, 2001 (Dallas Mavericks received Muggsy Bogues from New York; Houston also received draft rights to Kyle Hill and future considerations from Dallas; New York received Shandon Anderson from Houston and Howard Eisley from Dallas)."

Which was compounded by "In 2001, Houston signed a maximum contract extension with the Knicks, a decision that proved to be a huge mistake for New York because it cut deeply into the Knicks' already-grim salary cap situation and prevented them from making any free agent moves. Houston's yearly salary of over $20 million made him virtually untradeable and injury problems would further burden the Knicks."

So, by 2002 we were dying to get a big, and I remember being excited about the 20/8 McDyess for Camby whose back seemed to be giving out from banging at the C position. Giving up that draft pick was questionable, but McDyess was all star caliber. That pre-season micro fracture really turned the McDyess trade into a nightmare, but the Ewing/Glen Rice trade followed by the Glen Rice/Shandeisley trade were the trade that put the Knicks into the depths of mediocrity because of their failures to understand the salary cap. Giving AH $20M merely locked in the mediocrity for years to come and the Camby trade failed to bail us out. As did the Marbury trade (although we did make the playoffs that year. The propensity to give away #1 draft picks for mediocre talent has perpetuated our mediocrity.

orangeblobman wrote:It's funny that I thought Camby was getting old then, and he was injury prone, but he's not even old now.

lol

Should have let Ewing walk at the end of 96' and retool then.

Thats way too much to ponder.

Seemed to me Layden was always playing a chess game but could not get to where he wanted to go and commited to moves without contingent plans. Our roster was unbalanced when Van Gundy Bolted.

Layden waited it out and was starting to put some assets together that could have came off the books eventually. Isiah used that and millions to. The rest is history.

Who knows, if Lampe was given a proper chance might he developed sooner? Vujanic not blown his knee out been a decent serviceable point, blah blah blah...............Who knows.

Im not going to revisit this crap in detail again. It sucked the first time.

ANd if Vin Baker stayed sober?

You know what the only way is to build a winning team? You need two things. Some luck and a good mental structure. They were willy nilly, with no direction. This comes from the owner. His lack of discipline, you can look at it as discipline like a parent to a child, this lack of discipline is the reason that his children, the GMs and coaches and players, strayed and they went all over and ended up being this horrible, ugly franchise.

What Donnie is doing now is setting a foundation, a structure that, whatever happens, should leave us in good shape to compete and compete without drama. This is important. Drama on a team is like a toxin in the body, it works, constantly, to deteriorate the being, the club. Step one is ridding of toxic. But what might be the most important part here is that Donnie came in and was able to secure some room to wiggle from Dolan, the parent. Donnie would not have taken this job if he didn't have full control. So as long as Dolan is out of the way and Donnie is providing the discipline, this won't be repeated.

CrushAlot wrote:That was a horrible trade. I remember driving over to my buddy's to watch the draft and it was reported that the Knicks were trading their pick and Camby for Dice. That ruined another Knicks draft night for me and it was a costly mistake for the organization.

The number 8 pick was ridiculous price to pay for a cat coming off a lost season due to a destroyed knee. I couldnt believe that.

Funny tho, how Camby was considered a throw-in since he couldnt stay on the court for more than 25 games every year.

sebstar wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:That was a horrible trade. I remember driving over to my buddy's to watch the draft and it was reported that the Knicks were trading their pick and Camby for Dice. That ruined another Knicks draft night for me and it was a costly mistake for the organization.

The number 8 pick was ridiculous price to pay for a cat coming off a lost season due to a destroyed knee. I couldnt believe that.

Funny tho, how Camby was considered a throw-in since he couldnt stay on the court for more than 25 games every year.

funny thing is people thought Camby was washed up & broken down the past couple years when some of us were proposing trade ideas to get him but the dude is still rebounding & blocking shots like it's going outta style.