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BRIGGS
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1/22/2010  11:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/22/2010  11:35 PM
and if they are so obsessed with this season--than do something totry and correct it. We had to play perfect basketball just to stay even at home. I mean we had no TO's and our main guys were shooting high 50%--we lost a little energy without Nate but the bottom line is we just don't have enough with Duhon and Jefferies. Something has to change or we just might as well have a fire sale of what we can get rid of that we may not be able to keep. Also please no trade D Lee threads--he's just a great player and although he is UFA--I think we are in the driver's seat with him. I don't want to bet that some other player might come here--we have some good young players---we want to add not subtract.
If they want this season to have any meaning--they have to acknowledge and correct the problem.
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1/22/2010  11:37 PM
briggs the lakers are the defending champions, have the best player in the game and the knicks are a rebuilding team with aspirations looking towards this summer. they were in the whole game, chill out.
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1/22/2010  11:38 PM
nyk4ever wrote:briggs the lakers are the defending champions, have the best player in the game and the knicks are a rebuilding team, with aspirations looking towards this summer. chill out.

when you put it that way, i feel damn good about tonight's game. for real, fur real.

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1/22/2010  11:39 PM
and by the way, i absolutely agree with you about duhon, but the PG will come in time. no need to do anything crazy.
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1/23/2010  12:04 AM
BRIGGS wrote:and if they are so obsessed with this season--than do something totry and correct it. We had to play perfect basketball just to stay even at home. I mean we had no TO's and our main guys were shooting high 50%--we lost a little energy without Nate but the bottom line is we just don't have enough with Duhon and Jefferies. Something has to change or we just might as well have a fire sale of what we can get rid of that we may not be able to keep. Also please no trade D Lee threads--he's just a great player and although he is UFA--I think we are in the driver's seat with him. I don't want to bet that some other player might come here--we have some good young players---we want to add not subtract.
If they want this season to have any meaning--they have to acknowledge and correct the problem.

I agree with everything except the bolded part. While Lee is putting up great stats I still wouldn't pay him because Hill and Gallo are our future front court. I have a strong feeling Gallo will be playing PF sooner than later.

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1/23/2010  12:53 AM
Gallo averages 4 rebounds a game on a bad rebounding team. When over 50% percent of your shots are threes I dont see PF as your future
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1/23/2010  12:54 AM
AnubisADL wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:and if they are so obsessed with this season--than do something totry and correct it. We had to play perfect basketball just to stay even at home. I mean we had no TO's and our main guys were shooting high 50%--we lost a little energy without Nate but the bottom line is we just don't have enough with Duhon and Jefferies. Something has to change or we just might as well have a fire sale of what we can get rid of that we may not be able to keep. Also please no trade D Lee threads--he's just a great player and although he is UFA--I think we are in the driver's seat with him. I don't want to bet that some other player might come here--we have some good young players---we want to add not subtract.
If they want this season to have any meaning--they have to acknowledge and correct the problem.

I agree with everything except the bolded part. While Lee is putting up great stats I still wouldn't pay him because Hill and Gallo are our future front court. I have a strong feeling Gallo will be playing PF sooner than later.


yea.. briggs has a point. we are playing 5 on 3.5.. he could not be any more correct with that... I like jeffries, but he gives nothing on offense and teams know that, especially late in games.. duhon is just a mess.. nothing more to add..

As far as lee goes, I agree with you to some degree.. we have hill and gallo and when gallo is strong enough and physically mature enough to handle that position, he will be the starter there.. then you can move chandler to SF and get a more true SG in here....

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1/23/2010  12:56 AM
King1 wrote:Gallo averages 4 rebounds a game on a bad rebounding team. When over 50% percent of your shots are threes I dont see PF as your future

right now, his role on this team is a perimter player.. but the kid is a capable rebounder who can and will get better..

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1/23/2010  12:57 AM
tkf wrote:
King1 wrote:Gallo averages 4 rebounds a game on a bad rebounding team. When over 50% percent of your shots are threes I dont see PF as your future

right now, his role on this team is a perimter player.. but the kid is a capable rebounder who can and will get better..

I hope you are right but I think you have a bit of an agenda when you post about him.

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1/23/2010  1:09 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/23/2010  1:10 AM
King1 wrote:Gallo averages 4 rebounds a game on a bad rebounding team. When over 50% percent of your shots are threes I dont see PF as your future

Hard to rebound when you are 23ft from the basket. If we played Gallo closer to the rim I think he could grab 3-4 more rebounds a game.

He needs to learn to operate in the mid range where his percentages would likely improve.

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1/23/2010  1:10 AM
No doubt Briggs, 4 points from two of your starters and you lose by 10 points. You don't have to look very hard at what happened in the game. If Duhon makes half his shots the Knicks win or at least in a position for overtime. Hell if he doesn't brick his free throws you may have a shot. It is just sad to see what is going on with this guy on this team. Personally I think he needs Alec Baldwin to give him a motivational speech or something.

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1/23/2010  1:36 AM
BRIGGS wrote:and if they are so obsessed with this season--than do something totry and correct it. We had to play perfect basketball just to stay even at home. I mean we had no TO's and our main guys were shooting high 50%--we lost a little energy without Nate but the bottom line is we just don't have enough with Duhon and Jefferies. Something has to change or we just might as well have a fire sale of what we can get rid of that we may not be able to keep. Also please no trade D Lee threads--he's just a great player and although he is UFA--I think we are in the driver's seat with him. I don't want to bet that some other player might come here--we have some good young players---we want to add not subtract.
If they want this season to have any meaning--they have to acknowledge and correct the problem.

It is funny that I just made the same point on the game thread. We disagree on many things Briggs (I will always remember you for "stiff legs Gallo" ), but I completely agree on this point.

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1/23/2010  1:45 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/23/2010  1:46 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
tkf wrote:
King1 wrote:Gallo averages 4 rebounds a game on a bad rebounding team. When over 50% percent of your shots are threes I dont see PF as your future

right now, his role on this team is a perimter player.. but the kid is a capable rebounder who can and will get better..

I hope you are right but I think you have a bit of an agenda when you post about him.

yea, I have an agenda when it comes to him.. telling the truth...

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1/23/2010  2:02 AM
Briggs you are right on. I bartend and every time that I looked up at the game to watch for a minute, Duhon was killing us. Nothing new, I know but when you see the game in snippets it really sticks out. I am fully convinced that he needs to sit. Anybody but Duhon should be playing PG for this team for the rest of the season. In fact, he is the SOLE reason this team is 8 games under 500, IMO.

I mean he was shooting desperate 3's after holding the ball for 10 seconds!!! what the FUDGE????????!!!!!!

WHat I don't get is how MDA can pull N8 and Hughes out of the rotation so fast yet watch this MFer kill the team night in and night out.


That is how I really feel.

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1/23/2010  2:05 AM
Actually, if we're going to be consistent here, we'd have to say we're playing 3 on 5. If Jeffries' offensive limitations mean he equals half a player, then Lee's defensive limitations do too.
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1/23/2010  2:10 AM
markvmc wrote:Actually, if we're going to be consistent here, we'd have to say we're playing 3 on 5. If Jeffries' offensive limitations mean he equals half a player, then Lee's defensive limitations do too.

As much as I like Lee, that is a good point.

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1/23/2010  2:37 AM
markvmc wrote:Actually, if we're going to be consistent here, we'd have to say we're playing 3 on 5. If Jeffries' offensive limitations mean he equals half a player, then Lee's defensive limitations do too.

the difference is.. lee's offense is that much better than jeffries defense... or at least IMO.. lee definately needs to improve on defense, but jeffries offense is god awful..

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1/23/2010  4:27 AM
nyk4ever wrote:briggs the lakers are the defending champions, have the best player in the game and the knicks are a rebuilding team with aspirations looking towards this summer. they were in the whole game, chill out.

Knicks and Lakers shot the same # of 3's. Lakers shot 52% from downtown, and that is with Kobe hitting only 3/9. We shot 27%, including Duhon's 0/7. Lakers also took 10 more free throws, and hit 7 more than us.

The Laker's perimeter game shot down our zone yesterday, it is as simple as that, IMO. Until we can handle a team like the Lakers man to man on the inside, we are going to win or lose according to how our opponents are hitting the kind of open J's the Lakers killed us with last night. They had no penetrator breaking down our D, but they did have enough sense to get the ball to the guys who had open looks from deep because we were so concerned with helping out down low.

On the other hand, we have no real post-up players, and Duhon is not usually able to penetrate and kick the ball out to a guy with an uncontested 3. I don't think we had more than 1 or 2 attempts from downtown where one of our guys got the ball as it was swung around or kicked out and was able to put up a 3 without having to first dribble the ball to set up for the shot.

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1/23/2010  12:06 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Also please no trade D Lee threads--he's just a great player and although he is UFA--I think we are in the driver's seat with him. I don't want to bet that some other player might come here--we have some good young players---we want to add not subtract.

even though I created a Trade DLee thread just yesterday I am starting to move in favor of keeping this kid. I like it when he gets angry and is determined to get a rebound or put the basketball through the rim. Mean streak that capitalizes.

David is not a full go-to guy yet (gotta do it for a winning team for sure) but he is making some good strides.

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1/23/2010  12:33 PM
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BRIGGS wrote:Also please no trade D Lee threads--he's just a great player and although he is UFA--I think we are in the driver's seat with him. I don't want to bet that some other player might come here--we have some good young players---we want to add not subtract.

even though I created a Trade DLee thread just yesterday I am starting to move in favor of keeping this kid. I like it when he gets angry and is determined to get a rebound or put the basketball through the rim. Mean streak that capitalizes.

David is not a full go-to guy yet (gotta do it for a winning team for sure) but he is making some good strides.

I didnt see your thread until you just mentioned it. You never make trade threads Id rather keep Lee. We have to replace Jefferies Duhon and see what is available in refurbishing the bench once there is a mass exodus with FA But I think we have a real nice core--it's very encouraging. I don't want to lose Lee. He's a modern day Dave Cowens--minus some D but perhaps a better offensive player. To me I still can't believe I see D Lee isnt that good or his D scks get rid of him now for a pick etc..

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