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Would you do this trade: Lee/Curry/Jefferies to Dallas for Howard/Gooden/Carrol
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martin
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1/22/2010  11:41 AM
Why Dallas does it: With Dirk as a cap hold, they are over the cap and won't have space to sign a free agent. They get Lee who can resign at $10.5M; imagine Kidd and Lee in the pick and roll with Dirk, Marion, Terry on the wing. They take on JJ for this year and next and he can defend Kobe, Parker, Deron Williams, Carmelo, Nash, Durant or whomever in the playoff for spurts (and Dallas is good enough offensively to have him get significant minutes off the bench). Dallas can go big with Dampier, Lee, Dirk, Marion, Kidd (matching up against Lakers). Or go smaller with Dampier, Dirk, Marion, Terry, Kidd and Lee/Jefferies/etc off bench. Or go fast with Lee, Dirk, Marion, Terry, Kidd. They get 2 bigs for 1.

What Dallas loses: They lose G offense off the bench. I think the bigs in the Western conference (especially Lakers) are more important to have. Howard hasn't played much over the past few years anyway.

Why Knicks do it: Love Lee but love no Curry/Jefferies even more. Can sign 2 max guys and have room to spare. Carrol can be another guy to spread the O. Keep and/or trade Howard again.

Key to trade:
Lee. Cuban has got to convince Lee that he will take care of him BIG time so that he does not nix trade. Lee loves NY but he would instantly get a playoff team and a 1st class organization to play with.

Trade works on one Trade Machine: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yzyo4fv

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1/22/2010  11:45 AM
Martin, how much room to spare would that leave us? Enough to sign a guy like Ray Felton (you would figure 6-7mill a year)
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1/22/2010  11:46 AM
Hey, getting rid of Curry AND Jeffries? It's hard to argue against that, even at the expense of losing David Lee.

I think I would cry if we lost Lee, though. Would be very sad. But you gotta do it.

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1/22/2010  11:55 AM
nyk4ever wrote:Martin, how much room to spare would that leave us? Enough to sign a guy like Ray Felton (you would figure 6-7mill a year)

		2010
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Gallo 3.3
Chandler 2.1
Hill 2.7
Douglas 1
LeBron 17
Bender 0.5
Bosh 15
Landry 0.5
Carrol 4.3
cap holds(6) 3
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49.4
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Cap of 54: 4.6
Cap of 55: 5.6
Cap of 56: 5.6
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1/22/2010  12:07 PM
Hmmm. No change in cap. Howard has similar contract as Curry(might be team option for Howard). Carroll has 3 years left in his contract after this year at 4 mil a year.

If Howard is a a team option for the last year then absolutely. We get rid of 2 contracts for the price of DLee.

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1/22/2010  12:07 PM
also, does not work in realgm
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1/22/2010  12:12 PM
NYKBocker wrote:Hmmm. No change in cap. Howard has similar contract as Curry(might be team option for Howard). Carroll has 3 years left in his contract after this year at 4 mil a year.

If Howard is a a team option for the last year then absolutely. We get rid of 2 contracts for the price of DLee.

Howard has team option for next year: http://hoopshype.com/salaries/dallas.htm

also, does not work in realgm

Don't like their version of tradechecker cause it doesn't give you totals and reasons for rejection.

I would note that both teams have trade exceptions to spare.

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1/22/2010  12:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/22/2010  12:20 PM

Dirk plays PF and David Lee isnt a center in the West. Any combination of Dirk/Lee/Curry/Jefferies in the front court is a JOKE.

I think Howard is going to get swapped with Corey Maggette. Corey Maggette and Biedrens for Howard and Dampier. Dallas takes on salary but gets upgrades at SF and C and gets 2 guys who can run with Kidd.

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1/22/2010  12:17 PM
how would dallas be able to re-sign lee for any more than the MLE? they'd be over the cap and he would lose his bird's rights.
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1/22/2010  12:17 PM
AnubisADL wrote:

Dirk plays PF and David Lee isnt a center in the West. Any combination of Dirk/Lee/Curry/Jefferies in the front court is a JOKE.

did you even bother to read what I wrote?

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1/22/2010  12:18 PM
djsunyc wrote:how would dallas be able to re-sign lee for any more than the MLE? they'd be over the cap and he would lose his bird's rights.

For some reason I thought he could be resigned for 1.5 times his salary, perhaps it's 1.3. If not than this whole thing is caca.

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1/22/2010  12:27 PM
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:

Dirk plays PF and David Lee isnt a center in the West. Any combination of Dirk/Lee/Curry/Jefferies in the front court is a JOKE.

did you even bother to read what I wrote?

Yea I did. You tried to play Dirk at SF where he would get eaten alive. The deal isn't good anyway you slice it. Dallas doesnt need David Lee since they have Dirk Nowitski. They need a SG/SF and a C. I think they could use Harrington though.

Teams that could use David Lee are OKC, Orlando, Miami, Chicago, Golden State, Cleveland, New Jersey, or Utah because they either have holes at PF or potential holes this summer.

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1/22/2010  12:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/22/2010  12:49 PM
martin wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:Martin, how much room to spare would that leave us? Enough to sign a guy like Ray Felton (you would figure 6-7mill a year)

		2010
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Gallo 3.3
Chandler 2.1
Hill 2.7
Douglas 1
LeBron 17
Bender 0.5
Bosh 15
Landry 0.5
Carrol 4.3
cap holds(6) 3
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49.4
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Cap of 54: 4.6
Cap of 55: 5.6
Cap of 56: 5.6

thanks for that Martin. If we could Ray Felton at 5.6, LeBron and Bosh for the Max, I think this is all a deal you have to contemplate.

Although... at this point I'm wondering. Say we sign LeBron, keep Lee (5yr/60mm) and then add a guy like Felton, that almost might be better.

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1/22/2010  12:52 PM
nyk4ever wrote:Although... at this point I'm wondering. Say we sign LeBron, keep Lee (5yr/60mm) and then add a guy like Felton, that almost might be better.

without getting rid of Jefferies and Nate, no way you can sign LeBron, Lee and someone else.

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1/22/2010  12:55 PM
martin wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:Although... at this point I'm wondering. Say we sign LeBron, keep Lee (5yr/60mm) and then add a guy like Felton, that almost might be better.

without getting rid of Jefferies and Nate, no way you can sign LeBron, Lee and someone else.

Well, I know we have to get rid of Jeffries in order to do that. I was just saying I'm not sure if I want to make this trade to get rid of Lee so we can sign someone like Bosh.

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1/22/2010  12:58 PM
nyk4ever wrote:
martin wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:Although... at this point I'm wondering. Say we sign LeBron, keep Lee (5yr/60mm) and then add a guy like Felton, that almost might be better.

without getting rid of Jefferies and Nate, no way you can sign LeBron, Lee and someone else.

Well, I know we have to get rid of Jeffries in order to do that. I was just saying I'm not sure if I want to make this trade to get rid of Lee so we can sign someone like Bosh.

You would rather have Bosh over Lee? I like the homegrown thing and love Lee, but Bosh much better. And having room for 2 max guys is more incentive for the likes of LeBron.

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1/22/2010  1:04 PM
martin wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
martin wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:Although... at this point I'm wondering. Say we sign LeBron, keep Lee (5yr/60mm) and then add a guy like Felton, that almost might be better.

without getting rid of Jefferies and Nate, no way you can sign LeBron, Lee and someone else.

Well, I know we have to get rid of Jeffries in order to do that. I was just saying I'm not sure if I want to make this trade to get rid of Lee so we can sign someone like Bosh.

You would rather have Bosh over Lee? I like the homegrown thing and love Lee, but Bosh much better. And having room for 2 max guys is more incentive for the likes of LeBron.

I'm not certain at this point, obviously don't get me wrong I'm not saying I don't want Bosh. Before this season I was fully on board with either trading Lee or letting him walk after this year, but there has to be something said for his level of improvement this year. I think if got we rid of Jeffries it would allow us to keep Lee (11-12mill) and use that other 6 million or so that would have been used for a max contract for Bosh to sign someone like Ray Felton.

To me LeBron/Lee/Felton is better than LeBron/Bosh. But hey, believe me I wouldn't be mad with LeBron/Bosh.. just kinda thinking out loud here.

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1/22/2010  1:15 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:

Dirk plays PF and David Lee isnt a center in the West. Any combination of Dirk/Lee/Curry/Jefferies in the front court is a JOKE.

did you even bother to read what I wrote?

Yea I did. You tried to play Dirk at SF where he would get eaten alive. The deal isn't good anyway you slice it. Dallas doesnt need David Lee since they have Dirk Nowitski. They need a SG/SF and a C. I think they could use Harrington though.

Teams that could use David Lee are OKC, Orlando, Miami, Chicago, Golden State, Cleveland, New Jersey, or Utah because they either have holes at PF or potential holes this summer.

I suggested several different lineups and one of them was a big with Dirk at SF. Most likely Dallas would go with their current lineup of Dampier, Dirk, Marion, Terry, Kidd and have Lee/Jefferies off bench. Howard has missed a TON of games this year and last. Lee is a huge upgrade over Gooden and Jefferies adds to the defense.

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1/22/2010  1:46 PM
martin wrote:
djsunyc wrote:how would dallas be able to re-sign lee for any more than the MLE? they'd be over the cap and he would lose his bird's rights.

For some reason I thought he could be resigned for 1.5 times his salary, perhaps it's 1.3. If not than this whole thing is caca.

i think if dallas trades for him they get temporary bird rights or something. i believe they could give him a 1.3x raise, BUT, i believe they could add the 6th year. AND, lee would be almost certain to get his $1M playoff bonus, which you have to figure he'd like.

i like this trade. it'd be tough to swallow for the rest of this season, but obviously we'd have a shot at getting two max FA. even with no Bron, we could add Bosh and Joe Johnson.

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1/22/2010  1:56 PM
martin wrote:
djsunyc wrote:how would dallas be able to re-sign lee for any more than the MLE? they'd be over the cap and he would lose his bird's rights.

For some reason I thought he could be resigned for 1.5 times his salary, perhaps it's 1.3. If not than this whole thing is caca.

120% plus 8% raises. So, they should be able to give him 10.5 with 8% raises next year.

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