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1/20/2010  7:53 AM
Checks it:
D'Antoni also has run more high-post plays with Lee -- a point guard until his sophomore year of high school -- facilitating for others. Lee followed nine-assist outings against Toronto and Detroit with a five-assist showing Monday against the Pistons.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/duhon_too_funk_ZXOiGtHO4cPjscxNtZriqN#ixzz0d9lOY5Rj

Do you people realize what this means?? Add another 2 million, yearly, for Lee this summer. Now you got a guy that can dish the rock better than Vlade!! That's an amazing asset. We always knew this guy could dish it out, give the business. But he can dish it so good? 9 dimes, 5 dimes? That's $1.40.

He's one of the deadliest forwards in the league, that's it.

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1/20/2010  9:41 AM
He was your 2001 McDonalds all american dunk contest champion also!
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1/20/2010  9:51 AM
He can dish the rock, give business, dunk, he can shoot so good, he will shoot threes next year. Any other team, this guy would be someone we covet. But this dishing, this awesome point forward thing, you can just take duhon out and forget him. Lee has the potential to be a poor-man's Larry Bird!
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1/20/2010  9:52 AM
Lee has a good handle. This doesn't mean we need to pay the guy a max contract though. Let someone else do that.

For all the greatness that David Lee gives us? He gives up on the other end and sometimes MORE when you consider not just "his" man but the penetrating guards that score on him at will. You can probably fault Lee for about 40 points per game. Maybe more. As a Center you are tasked as the last line of defense. If a guard gets beaten it is up to you to step up and defend the basket. Lee stands there and watches as it happens.

David Lee is absolutely killing the Knicks.

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1/20/2010  9:57 AM
What a conclusion. Killing the Knicks. Hey, is it his fault he's at center? He's trying hard. The guy was never billed as a defensive stopper but he's more than adequate. You put him next to a swatter, then you see Lee in different light. Your light right now, it's flickering. Plus, checks it, if Duhon could keep his man in front of him what do you want me to tell you? Maybe more Toney D. But Lee does NOT cost us 40 points a night, I don't know, that's insane. Most of the time he comes out on top of his match up statistically, so there's a buffer of good. And rebounding is a great defensive skill, he beasts on them. By the 40 point logic, you can say that he saves us a bunch of points because opponents can't board him. He's a boarder.
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1/20/2010  10:00 AM
I can score on David Lee.

You can too.

Therein lies the problem.

I like David Lee but the fact is that he's a detriment to the team when we're tasking him to be our best player and to start. Same thing going back to Crawford. It's the same thing.

If we were so good that David Lee was our backup F/C playing 25 minutes per night? We'd be a damn good team.

When you're playing (and paying) David Lee to be your best player at 40 minutes per night then you're going to SUCK ASS. Well, we do, and, we suck.

Either turn this guy into a backup bench player or get rid of him. You cannot pay him as a superstar and expect him to be your superstar. You're going to SUCK as a result. Hey, guess what, WE DO.

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1/20/2010  11:36 AM
Cosmic wrote:I can score on David Lee.

You can too.

Therein lies the problem.

I like David Lee but the fact is that he's a detriment to the team when we're tasking him to be our best player and to start. Same thing going back to Crawford. It's the same thing.

If we were so good that David Lee was our backup F/C playing 25 minutes per night? We'd be a damn good team.

When you're playing (and paying) David Lee to be your best player at 40 minutes per night then you're going to SUCK ASS. Well, we do, and, we suck.

Either turn this guy into a backup bench player or get rid of him. You cannot pay him as a superstar and expect him to be your superstar. You're going to SUCK as a result. Hey, guess what, WE DO.

right, but there is also middle ground that you may not have suggested. I think DLee can be a solid starting PF in this league. He has improved his jumpshot by miles over the past few years. No reason he can't improve his D the same way (and I think his D has gotten marginally better).

Also, no one is suggesting that DLee will be our superstar or best player on team for the long haul. And no one is suggesting we will pay him like one either.

Perhaps sandwiched between a munch improved Hill at the 5 and LeBron at the 3, Lee is pretty darn good.

We shall see what happens.

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1/20/2010  11:44 AM
orangeblobman wrote:He can dish the rock, give business, dunk, he can shoot so good, he will shoot threes next year. Any other team, this guy would be someone we covet. But this dishing, this awesome point forward thing, you can just take duhon out and forget him. Lee has the potential to be a poor-man's Larry Bird!

Ur drowning this board with your ridiculous nonsense.

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1/20/2010  11:48 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/20/2010  11:49 AM
sebstar wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:He can dish the rock, give business, dunk, he can shoot so good, he will shoot threes next year. Any other team, this guy would be someone we covet. But this dishing, this awesome point forward thing, you can just take duhon out and forget him. Lee has the potential to be a poor-man's Larry Bird!

Ur drowning this board with your ridiculous nonsense.

You're probably right, there is some drowning. It's quickly becoming obvious that this is more a domain of fools than wise men. But I'm the one that's drowning in the nonsense of you. A good idea is to stay out of all threads except the game threads.

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1/20/2010  11:57 AM
Every white guy has the potential to be a poor man's larry bird. But David Lee? Forget poor, he's ****ing homeless.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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1/20/2010  12:00 PM
Cosmic wrote:I can score on David Lee.

You can too.

Therein lies the problem.

I like David Lee but the fact is that he's a detriment to the team when we're tasking him to be our best player and to start. Same thing going back to Crawford. It's the same thing.

If we were so good that David Lee was our backup F/C playing 25 minutes per night? We'd be a damn good team.

When you're playing (and paying) David Lee to be your best player at 40 minutes per night then you're going to SUCK ASS. Well, we do, and, we suck.

Either turn this guy into a backup bench player or get rid of him. You cannot pay him as a superstar and expect him to be your superstar. You're going to SUCK as a result. Hey, guess what, WE DO.

We are the 9th best team is the east with him as our best player. We're not great, but we're not that terrible either. We are a lot better than a lot of other teams in the nba. Does granger suck, or jamison/butler, or al jefferson, lopez/harris? My point is, we are a team with a chance to make the playoffs, so why is our best player still viewed by some as a back up player? If he's the best player on a team just below .500 then he's a 2nd option on a good playoff team. And the hope is, he's option 2A or 2B, alongside Gallo, and behind lebron or another star, and hopefully it's the formula for championship contention. But give credit where credit is due, he's a very good player regardless of the team.
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1/20/2010  12:41 PM
orangeblobman wrote:
sebstar wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:He can dish the rock, give business, dunk, he can shoot so good, he will shoot threes next year. Any other team, this guy would be someone we covet. But this dishing, this awesome point forward thing, you can just take duhon out and forget him. Lee has the potential to be a poor-man's Larry Bird!

Ur drowning this board with your ridiculous nonsense.

You're probably right, there is some drowning. It's quickly becoming obvious that this is more a domain of fools than wise men. But I'm the one that's drowning in the nonsense of you. A good idea is to stay out of all threads except the game threads.

Whatever bro, talkin about we need to give David Lee millions more dollars than any sane person is willing to give because he played point guard as a freshman in high school --- talking about he's larry bird now.

Do you have a job or a life, fam? You on this damn thing 24/7, B...

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1/20/2010  12:46 PM
sebstar wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:
sebstar wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:He can dish the rock, give business, dunk, he can shoot so good, he will shoot threes next year. Any other team, this guy would be someone we covet. But this dishing, this awesome point forward thing, you can just take duhon out and forget him. Lee has the potential to be a poor-man's Larry Bird!

Ur drowning this board with your ridiculous nonsense.

You're probably right, there is some drowning. It's quickly becoming obvious that this is more a domain of fools than wise men. But I'm the one that's drowning in the nonsense of you. A good idea is to stay out of all threads except the game threads.

Whatever bro, talkin about we need to give David Lee millions more dollars than any sane person is willing to give because he played point guard as a freshman in high school --- talking about he's larry bird now.

Do you have a job or a life, fam? You on this damn thing 24/7, B...

Don't worry about me. It's really not my fault that I think, type, and generally do everything quickly and efficiently. Having a website open while you are working is not really the most engaging endeavor in the world.

Saying we need to give him millions? No, I never said that. Get your reading comprehension up, son. What I said was that with this added awesomeness at dishing the rock, in addition to his incredible ability to give business, David Lee's value might be even higher come this off-season. How it will play out with the Knicks, I don't know. There are many factors involved. We still have the rest of the season, the Knicks performance from here on will have as much to do with upcoming decisions as anything else.

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1/20/2010  1:01 PM
David Lee is a near all star on a sub .500 team putting up all star numbers without needing many touches.

There must be some imagination that he could be even more valuable on a team with better players with a chemistry and a system condusive to winning.

Lee Is not a go to player but he is proving to be a solid 2nd option.

His market value is going to be higher on some teams than others.

Does he make Lebron better? Does Lebron Make him better? Gm's and coaches know these things better than us.

MDA obviously got this kid playing at a high level the past 1.5 seasons.
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1/20/2010  1:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/20/2010  1:10 PM
orangeblobman wrote:
sebstar wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:
sebstar wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:He can dish the rock, give business, dunk, he can shoot so good, he will shoot threes next year. Any other team, this guy would be someone we covet. But this dishing, this awesome point forward thing, you can just take duhon out and forget him. Lee has the potential to be a poor-man's Larry Bird!

Ur drowning this board with your ridiculous nonsense.

You're probably right, there is some drowning. It's quickly becoming obvious that this is more a domain of fools than wise men. But I'm the one that's drowning in the nonsense of you. A good idea is to stay out of all threads except the game threads.

Whatever bro, talkin about we need to give David Lee millions more dollars than any sane person is willing to give because he played point guard as a freshman in high school --- talking about he's larry bird now.

Do you have a job or a life, fam? You on this damn thing 24/7, B...


Saying we need to give him millions? No, I never said that. Get your reading comprehension up, son.

"Add another 2 million, yearly, for Lee this summer"

Man, be quiet...

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1/20/2010  1:25 PM
Maybe we can send David Lee to our D-League team so he can polish up his pg skills.
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1/20/2010  2:35 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/20/2010  2:36 PM
David is not quite the invisible defense some of u suggest but can play on my team any time. He busts his butt, can pass out better than mosts bigs, has few peers on the boards, has become a better than average shooter, and has improved at least one aspect of his game every year. He cares and wants to be here. And, oh yeah, he doesn't even need the money coming from an exceedingly wealthy family.
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1/20/2010  3:00 PM
The reason David can use both hands is he played his whole sophomore with a broken wrist and learned to shoot right handed. He was a point guard until his freshman year then grew 9 inches. I really hope the Knicks sign Lee for next year because the future is looking bright if the right moves are made
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1/20/2010  3:50 PM
King1 wrote:The reason David can use both hands is he played his whole sophomore with a broken wrist and learned to shoot right handed. He was a point guard until his freshman year then grew 9 inches. I really hope the Knicks sign Lee for next year because the future is looking bright if the right moves are made

King, hypothetical question: Lee may get offers of $7M to $14M next year. Let's say he gets an offer from OKC starting at $13M but also an offer for less, say starting at $9.5M from NY (but perhaps they tack on an extra year and have bigger raises) cause they want to sign LeBron and that's literally all they have to offer him and flush out a team.

Does he bolt or stay?

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martin wrote:
King1 wrote:The reason David can use both hands is he played his whole sophomore with a broken wrist and learned to shoot right handed. He was a point guard until his freshman year then grew 9 inches. I really hope the Knicks sign Lee for next year because the future is looking bright if the right moves are made

King, hypothetical question: Lee may get offers of $7M to $14M next year. Let's say he gets an offer from OKC starting at $13M but also an offer for less, say starting at $9.5M from NY (but perhaps they tack on an extra year and have bigger raises) cause they want to sign LeBron and that's literally all they have to offer him and flush out a team.

Does he bolt or stay?

This contract will put him well into his 30s so i have to believe the extra year will be worth a lot. More money per year in OKL but staying in new york with a potential contender maybe, let say the same money for 6 years vs. 5, i would have to think he stays. Consider that when he's 33 or 34 no one would commit more than a couple million per year, i think it's worth staying for about the same money over 6 years than for 5.
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