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JesseDark
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1/18/2010  7:57 AM
Doesn't look like his situation is going to get any better. I only caught the 4th quarter of the last game and didn't know he played 9 minutes in the last game. If Duhon is going to be playing less that should open pt up for him and Toney Douglas.

D'atoni should not give some players (Duhon) real long leashes and others (insert_name_here) real short leashes.

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1/18/2010  8:29 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/18/2010  8:35 AM
JesseDark wrote:Doesn't look like his situation is going to get any better. I only caught the 4th quarter of the last game and didn't know he played 9 minutes in the last game. If Duhon is going to be playing less that should open pt up for him and Toney Douglas.

D'atoni should not give some players (Duhon) real long leashes and others (insert_name_here) real short leashes.

Agreed. I mean wake the F up Mike -- you're not winning anything significant this year. Play these two young kids (Hill & Douglas) and find out what the hell you have. You won't see some big precipitative drop in team performance by playing these two over these other guys. The team will still operate on the same level, probably better. These two need to play the rest of the way. End of story..

Tell you what, I do feel D'Antoni should be going up to some of these guys and telling them privately what his current plan is and whether or not they're still in the rotation - I can kinda understand where the frustration of a few guys has come from - I don't understand why he's failed to be up front with a few of his guys during the year. He must be a real non-confrontational guy (some people are like that, to a fault even as we're seeing here), but even still, you're the head coach - it comes with the job. You owe guys an explanation if you suddenly up and change the gameplan, no? I think so. If he had done that a couple of times, there's probably no issue right now.. Very strange. Proper damage control can go a long way in eliminating any unnecessary controversy... Whatever, it doesn't really even matter. The damage is done and most of these guys are gone at the end of the year anyway -- Hughes, Nate, etc. Maybe some by the deadline.....Let's get down to business now and start playing the young fellas. It can only help, can't possibly hurt..

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1/18/2010  8:40 AM
Eh I don't think MDA is fully ready to commit to a youth movement just yet. I'd love to see TD and Hill play tho. As for the communication thing it would be nice but that's just bitter player talk. Hughes still wouldn't like being benched as he feels he should be playing. He should just be quiet cuz he stunk when given a chance to show something.

A players job is to stay ready to play at all times, period. Coach doesn't owe him anything! The guy is acting like a baby. He's been with MDA long enough to know his style of coaching and adjust to it. This is all just loser mentality coming thru. He's here cuz he sucked on his last team so I say shut up and act like a pro!

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1/18/2010  9:00 AM
I just realized this with Hughes.

He is what he is, but he could be a great vet for us to have next year cheap.

Does anyone think he's getting any kind of big money from anyone in the league?

He might very well sign for the vet minimum. And at that price, would be a great player for us to have next year.

But I can't see him resigning here under any circumstances.

D'Antoni might not normally talk to players about their playing time, but anyone think he maybe should make an exception, if only to calm the 'discord'?

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1/18/2010  9:01 AM
It's a bad situation. Duhon sucks but he's the only one of his kind on the team and Larry doesn't suck as much but he's a baby. I'm almost at the point where I just can't wait for this season to end. A few more losses and it's garbage time.
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1/18/2010  9:13 AM
He was playing well and got injured.

He came back and was still hurt and stunk.

Doghouse.

Then thrown onto the fire out of nowhere last game. Of course he was going to play poorly.

His attitude? It's the exact reason the Cavs and Bulls got sick of him. He eventually speaks and it's never good. Post deadline? Waive him and be done with it.

PLAY TONEY DOUGLAS INSTEAD.

The hell is Mike thinking...........

Oh, and in case everyone forgot, one reason he was traded from Cleveland is because he thought he was the team's superstar, and he took shots away from LeBron. They dumped him so LeBron could grow. So all this "hughes and bron are friends" talk you read about is pure BS. LeBron wanted him gone and Cleveland got rid of him.

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1/18/2010  9:28 AM
Hughes just isn't the answer to our problems. He'll have some good stretches but overall his bad streaks outweigh his few good ones.

Our only hope was Nate developing a bit more PG skills but it didn't happen.

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1/18/2010  9:32 AM
I would buy Hughes out and see if we can bring in two players from the D league. they will be tolerant hungry and we need to see if we can continue to add some cheap talent with the hopes they can add to the team for the future--if not a very cheap audition. We really do not need a guy like Larry Hughes right now--I'm sure another team would use him. A reasonable buyout [roughly 1mm] would save us money with the tax and allow us to sign a couple of 10-20 day FA's basically for free.
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1/18/2010  9:43 AM
BRIGGS wrote:I would buy Hughes out and see if we can bring in two players from the D league. they will be tolerant hungry and we need to see if we can continue to add some cheap talent with the hopes they can add to the team for the future--if not a very cheap audition. We really do not need a guy like Larry Hughes right now--I'm sure another team would use him. A reasonable buyout [roughly 1mm] would save us money with the tax and allow us to sign a couple of 10-20 day FA's basically for free.

That's crap Briggs. Hughes has value. It's why he bellyaches. He can't show it on the bench. IF this bunch were playoff bound he'd be nice to have around. My bone with coach is you need to play every game like it's the last game of the playoffs. And you use every bit of your bench to create matchups and knowing your players to make that win come out. There are times when a green fresh Hill or a rested TD is better than DLee and Duhon with 70+ minutes under their belt for two nights. Look at Lee's defense when he's fresh to support that.

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1/18/2010  9:43 AM
F Larry Hughes.....
Chicago Bulls: Larry Hughes Plays for Himself

by
Marcus Hagness


Senior Analyst Written on March 05, 2008

"They wanted me to sacrifice things so we could win." That is the quote of the year so far from former Cleveland Cavalier, now Chicago Bulls swingman, Larry Hughes.

That sounds like one of the most selfish things a player could say. The most alarming thing about Hughes' comments is that he doesn't seem to realize that LeBron James is on the team roster he was a part of prior to February 21, 2008.

Did he think that LeBron should have been deferring to him? I just don't get where he was coming from with these comments. When he signed with the Cavaliers he had to know that LeBron is going to be the guy.

I don't have any problem that Hughes like to play to enjoy himself and have fun. I just don't think he should have released those comments to the public. If winning the NBA championship isn't your ultimate goal that's your prerogative, but what does that make his teammates think of him?

His teammates and coaches now must be ultra-confused. Knowing you have a guy who just wants to play for himself and to have fun while doing it.

Sounds like the kid's mentality in all of us that we'd like to see more, but he has to realize that the NBA is also a business. Each team wants to win a championship to bring in more revenue.

Now when you have a player that doesn't care if he wins one, what do you do?

Shawn Marion was happy to be traded from a Western Conference powerhouse in Phoenix to the ass of the NBA, Miami. What's going on here?

Why do these guys wish to be traded from good teams to bad teams? Larry Hughes just made it to the NBA finals last year, and now he's playing on one of the worst teams in the East.

Do guys like Marion and Hughes have their priorities out of whack or is there something to this?

Derek Fisher had to be separated from his sick daughter last year in the playoffs and wasn't happy with success. That's different. These guys seem to be unhappy because they aren't "the man."

I think everyone wants to win, but they want to do it their way. I believe Hughes does want to win a championship, but only if he is the MJ of that team. Problem with that, Hughes isn't talented enough to lead a team to a championship.

If Shawn Marion is looking for that, he's on the wrong team. Dwyane Wade has already been the man and lead Miami to a championship. If anyone on that roster would do it again, it'd be Mr. Wade.

Moral of the story:

Larry Hughes needs media training.

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1/18/2010  9:49 AM
Cavs beat Bulls, but Hughes is happy about things

by admin on March 2, 2008

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Cavs 95, Bulls 86

–Here is what Larry Hughes said to me and Lisa Salters from ABC before the game. Lisa couldn’t believe it and made sure he knew what he was saying. Here it is:

“I play to enjoy myself, some people take this the wrong way, but winning a championship is not what I base everything on. I was given an opportunity to play basketball, travel around and have fun doing it and that’s what I want to do. I wouldn’t take being unhappy and not being myself and winning.
I would rather enjoy myself with 18,000-20,000 people watching the game and the people sending fan mail and those things and be happy…I didn’t come here to play the point guard, that’s just it. I came here to run the wing, just like he was running the other wing. I was asked to sacrifice for the team to win and for everybody, I guess, get paid. That is what was told to me and I wasn’t happy with that.”

I do understand that Larry did make sacrifices when he played for the Cavs. I do understand that he was not playing in a system that thrilled him. But I cannot believe he is saying he would rather have fun — read: getting to run around the way he wants and take lots and lots of shots — than win. I thought winning is fun, sitting at home at watching the playoffs is no fun according to most NBA players I’ve known. I can see not playing at all, just sitting on the bench. But if you are a big part of a winning team, I thought that was desirable. Very few players in this league get everything they want, most of the time you have to settle. As long as Larry was being paid what he was being paid, I’d think some settling would’ve been acceptable. That’s the other thing, the comment about just winning and getting paid. Larry earned $4 million in bonuses over the last two years because the Cavs hit win targets in his contract. The more the team won, the more he did get paid. That said, in the playoff run last season, even before he got hurt, I didn’t get the sense that he was happy. I never saw that joy from him, so I think this is probably more than just lip service, I think he really means it.

So I suppose today was interesting for Larry. He got 20 shots, he got 23 points, he got shut down in the stretch run by LeBron and then had to watch as LeBron carried the Cavs to a win. Under his terms, I suppose it was a happy afternoon. Plus he said he got to see his pet bulldogs, which he said was the only thing he missed in Cleveland.

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1/18/2010  9:51 AM
Larry Hughes sucks. Plain and simple.
His impact on the game is ZERO when he is doing good, and this is very rare when he does.
He is is the filler for teams short of NBA players and we are the one.
Now when it is getting irrelewant - byby Lurry, go cry some at other place.
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1/18/2010  10:16 AM
I think Hughes can be effective when put in the right situation because the guy is a slasher not a shooter. Asking him to consistently shoot in this system when he hasn't done so his entire career was wishful thinking. With that said he hasn't been playing well here and deserves to sit. I can sympathize with him though because Duhon has been stinking yet still gets ALOT of minutes.
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1/18/2010  10:20 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/18/2010  10:24 AM
And now, there's a report out that Hughes skipped practice. Yes, we talkin' about practice, man.
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1/18/2010  10:26 AM
Just saw that on the front page. What an idiot. This guy should be sent packing ASAP.
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1/18/2010  11:02 AM
I think we're missing the main point of the article here: Eddie Curry is injured again.
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1/18/2010  11:05 AM
Olbrannon wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I would buy Hughes out and see if we can bring in two players from the D league. they will be tolerant hungry and we need to see if we can continue to add some cheap talent with the hopes they can add to the team for the future--if not a very cheap audition. We really do not need a guy like Larry Hughes right now--I'm sure another team would use him. A reasonable buyout [roughly 1mm] would save us money with the tax and allow us to sign a couple of 10-20 day FA's basically for free.

That's crap Briggs. Hughes has value. It's why he bellyaches. He can't show it on the bench. IF this bunch were playoff bound he'd be nice to have around. My bone with coach is you need to play every game like it's the last game of the playoffs. And you use every bit of your bench to create matchups and knowing your players to make that win come out. There are times when a green fresh Hill or a rested TD is better than DLee and Duhon with 70+ minutes under their belt for two nights. Look at Lee's defense when he's fresh to support that.

Larry Hughes is old news dude--he scks. Pay him off and get him out. Please stop with this guy or that guy is better than D lee--than arent close.

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1/18/2010  11:08 AM
Larry Hughes is so bad its unreal. Forget Larry Hughes, im done with these babies that always end up on the Knicks. Ditch him!
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1/18/2010  11:11 AM
Larry Hughes has talent. Larry Hughes is also a huge pain in the ass. As mentioned in an earlier thread, when a guy plays on 7 different teams there is something questionable at work, other than basketball.

His comments to the press are his means of forwarding his personal agenda. Meanwhile, with the evolving personality of the young Knicks showing signs of cohering around better basketball and better trust, (along with the expected speed bumps) Hughes walks out of practice?

Get him outta here.

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1/18/2010  12:00 PM
I think there are really three issues with this situation. The first is that Hughes is far from perfect and wears out his welcome. The second is that the communication problem D'Antoni is having with some of his players is real and is not going away. He has his core of high character guys and some of them, Bender, Jeffries, and Duhon should not be getting the minutes they are. The last issue is that this team isn't going anywhere this year and the young guys need to get minutes. Playing the vets to chase the dream of the eighth seed at the expense of the young players getting minutes is short sighted and stupid. Hughes is definitely out of line going public with his complaints and he is a difficult guy but there is a pattern with the coach of not being able to handle anyone that doesn't display high character and professionalism.
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