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BRIGGS
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1/16/2010  10:48 PM
It's a no brainer--but guess what? That's the last time we see hill for 17 games. We'l keep hooping and scooping with 4 points per 35 minutes at 40% JJ.


DW--can you find us a PG out of the D league or overseas--or just trade for one--maybe Mike James--someone--we need to move past the inconsistent Duhon once and for all.

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1/16/2010  10:50 PM
Few more losses and you might get your wish.
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1/16/2010  10:50 PM
BRIGGS wrote:It's a no brainer--but guess what? That's the last time we see hill for 17 games. We'l keep hooping and scooping with 4 points per 35 minutes at 40% JJ.


DW--can you find us a PG out of the D league or overseas--or just trade for one--maybe Mike James--someone--we need to move past the inconsistent Duhon once and for all.

id like to see this as well.

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1/16/2010  10:55 PM
This should have happened from the beginning of the season. Jeffries is not a 30+ mpg player or a starter. He's just not good. They tried to raise his trade value. You can't raise the value of crap. Jeffries is what he is. Put in Hill for the rest of the season.
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1/16/2010  11:18 PM
Jared hasn't been playing to raise his value. Perhaps early on, but ever since the team started winning he was getting the nod because of his defense. I don't know if Hill has reached the level of defensive awareness to take over for Jared completely, but he could easily get 10 mins a game and be a factor at some point. He's not agile enough to do what Jared does guarding multiple positions. Remember that Jared helps to take some of the pressure off Duhon, since he's such a terrible defensive PG.
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1/16/2010  11:22 PM
I wouldn't go this far but Hill should play. So should Douglas. I'm thinking 2nd Q should be their first entrances into games. Especially games like tonight. If we did so I bet we pulled out this mess of a game.

No reason either can't get 20 minutes per game. No need for this 7 man rotation BS especially since we don't have any real good players.

Fine, when you're the Suns, and you have big time players, a 7 man rotation works. But you try to plug 7 mediocre players into this formula and it's going to blow up as often as it works!

So, well, Mike needs to adjust. He won't though. If anything he'll go for the knee-jerk and now ride Hill big minutes out of nowhere. It doesn't make sense.

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1/16/2010  11:27 PM
Hill looked very good down the stretch. Obviously we didn't get to see a lot of him, but I thought he was was real active defensively and had a couple of nice blocked shots. He definitely challenges people in the lane which we sorely need. And that turnaround J definitely was a sweet shot. If that is the kind of shot we can expect from Hill, he will have a very nice career in NY.
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1/16/2010  11:27 PM
nixluva wrote:Jared hasn't been playing to raise his value. Perhaps early on, but ever since the team started winning he was getting the nod because of his defense. I don't know if Hill has reached the level of defensive awareness to take over for Jared completely, but he could easily get 10 mins a game and be a factor at some point. He's not agile enough to do what Jared does guarding multiple positions. Remember that Jared helps to take some of the pressure off Duhon, since he's such a terrible defensive PG.

Jordan Hill gives us a second big to protect the basket and secure rebounds + he has the ability to score points. Taking a charge and moving around on D is only part of the game--and that is the problem--with the inconsistency at the point--we need someone who can score points and rebound the basketball.

It's pretty simple Knicks fans--we have been down 20 points way to many times this year--time for change--I really believe we are lucky only to be 8 games under--maybe that changes if we can get some kind of impact from Hill and use Jefferies off the bench--we also need to be involved in trade maneuvers to revamp the bench and the PG position. jefferies value to the team is suited as an energy defender from the bench--thats it. Id like to give Douglas a chance as well--in Nate s position. He was playing well and was just thrown back on the bench--who knows why. Nate Robinson is gone--accept it--and start playing Douglas and stare Hill for goodness sakes. I know we are just stupid people who know nothing about basketball on these forums--but maybe just maybe we have a point.

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1/17/2010  12:38 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/17/2010  12:52 AM
BRIGGS wrote:It's a no brainer--but guess what? That's the last time we see hill for 17 games. We'l keep hooping and scooping with 4 points per 35 minutes at 40% JJ.


DW--can you find us a PG out of the D league or overseas--or just trade for one--maybe Mike James--someone--we need to move past the inconsistent Duhon once and for all.

I agree with both points. It's so rediculous and so blatant, even a blind man could see it...Esp. with Duhon - man, this dude's been awful. AWFUL!! With Duhon I bet it boils down to this - there was a commitment by D'Antoni to make this guy a co-captain somewhere along the way. If I had to bet I think that, together with his halfway decent play from last year (before MDA just wore him down), has kept him in the coach's good graces & in his starting role up to this point. Not saying I agree with that, but I think that might be what's up here....Dude needs to sit down though. He's bringing nothing to the table... And I agree totally on the Hill for Jeffries thing -- right from the beginning, the frontcourt I wanted to see was Hill 5, Lee 4 and Harrington 3. I don't think we've seen that frontcourt once all year.

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1/17/2010  12:53 AM
I'll be happy if we don't end up giving Utah a top 5 pick.
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1/17/2010  1:04 AM
franco12 wrote:I'll be happy if we don't end up giving Utah a top 5 pick.

That should not be the focus of the team.

So let's say we are on the verge of doing so. Would you do a trade to prevent that....that would also destroy our 2010 cap space?

It's an honest and realistic question.

To me, the pick is gone, and it's better if it goes West anyways.

Our priority is OUR FUTURE.

Not...the future of that stupid pick.

To make it melodramatic to hammer home a point. You don't say to yourself "Hmmm...LeBron James...or...make sure Utah doesn't get a high lotto pick." Do you? I would hope not.

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1/17/2010  3:29 AM
Cosmic wrote:
franco12 wrote:I'll be happy if we don't end up giving Utah a top 5 pick.

That should not be the focus of the team.

So let's say we are on the verge of doing so. Would you do a trade to prevent that....that would also destroy our 2010 cap space?

It's an honest and realistic question.

To me, the pick is gone, and it's better if it goes West anyways.

Our priority is OUR FUTURE.

Not...the future of that stupid pick.

To make it melodramatic to hammer home a point. You don't say to yourself "Hmmm...LeBron James...or...make sure Utah doesn't get a high lotto pick." Do you? I would hope not.

My statement is not about what the team should or shouldn't do.

Its merely about my lowered expectations for the team for the rest of this year.

I can't have hope that we'll develop youth- since MDA feels like just 7 players should play.

I have no hope of the play offs because I'm a realist, and this squad just isn't that good.

I doubt we're ending up with Lebron this off season - I am a knick fan, and by definition, we seem to get spurned by the big free agents.

I hope we continue to rebuild, but who knows.

We may end up with Gilbert Arenas and Yao Ming in the off season.

God help us!

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1/17/2010  5:03 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
nixluva wrote:Jared hasn't been playing to raise his value. Perhaps early on, but ever since the team started winning he was getting the nod because of his defense. I don't know if Hill has reached the level of defensive awareness to take over for Jared completely, but he could easily get 10 mins a game and be a factor at some point. He's not agile enough to do what Jared does guarding multiple positions. Remember that Jared helps to take some of the pressure off Duhon, since he's such a terrible defensive PG.

Jordan Hill gives us a second big to protect the basket and secure rebounds + he has the ability to score points. Taking a charge and moving around on D is only part of the game--and that is the problem--with the inconsistency at the point--we need someone who can score points and rebound the basketball.

It's pretty simple Knicks fans--we have been down 20 points way to many times this year--time for change--I really believe we are lucky only to be 8 games under--maybe that changes if we can get some kind of impact from Hill and use Jefferies off the bench--we also need to be involved in trade maneuvers to revamp the bench and the PG position. jefferies value to the team is suited as an energy defender from the bench--thats it. Id like to give Douglas a chance as well--in Nate s position. He was playing well and was just thrown back on the bench--who knows why. Nate Robinson is gone--accept it--and start playing Douglas and stare Hill for goodness sakes. I know we are just stupid people who know nothing about basketball on these forums--but maybe just maybe we have a point.

I agree, but hill should have been playing from teh beginning of the season,he gives us something we don't get from jeffries. Scoring and the ability to finish around the hoop... He came in and really gave charlie V trouble.. and made some nice moves on offense..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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1/17/2010  8:08 AM
I'd prefer hill, lee, gallo, Chandler, PG
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1/17/2010  8:42 AM
"It felt really good," Hill said. "It's my opportunity, my shot."
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1/17/2010  9:36 AM
Imagine if Hill turns into like a young Bosh??
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1/17/2010  9:48 AM
The Answer Man Drops A POP QUIZ: (time limit 10 seconds) "Where did Anthony Mason attend college?

Q. orangeblob - Imagine if Hill turns into like a young Bosh?

A. Stranger things have happened. Imagine if Donnie Walsh actually knows what he is doing.

The good news is that the Knicks yoots seem to share a willingness to do the extra work it requires to excel. The training tutorials that Greg Brittenham reportedly conducts with Landry, Douglas and Hill on game days are a positive sign. These three dedicated yoots will help change the culture of the Knicks franchise for years to come.

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1/17/2010  10:13 AM
Hill should play more, yes, but come on... the team has lost games this season with Effries riding pine down the stretch. He does have value on this club. Unfortunately his salary makes him untradeable per our parameters. He has made a contribution to this year's team and to say contrary stems from habit. HE gives defensive balance to a roster full of SFs.
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1/17/2010  10:53 AM
I would love to see Hill play more. Thing we all have to remember is that in 's system the ONLY true position that matters is PG. Every other position is transferable. Mike likes high IQ players and he wants 5 of them, but the PG is the only one that he really has to need to connect to.

Look at his PHX team. Nash was the main cog, the guy that made it work. Bell usually started at the two but he was able to play SF also. Amare played PF to C. Marion played SF, PF, C. the SF (Diaw, Hill, Rose) usually could slide anywhere from the 2 to the 5 (Diaw played from the 3 to the 5. Hill and Rose played anywhere from the 2 to the 4). Barbosa played the 1 to spell Nash or 2 to spell Bell.

Getting too caught up positions is something Pringles doesn't do. I personally would like to see a PG(Douglas maybe, or trade for a young guy with potential like a Marcus Williams, Lowry, whoever) and Chandler(He is a McGrady/Butler type 2/3), Gallo, Lee, Hill.

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1/17/2010  10:55 AM
At this point there is absolutely no reason that Hill should not be playing every night. I gave the benefit of the doubt to D'Antoni regarding his rotation but at this point it's just obvious that Hill brings alot more to the table when he's on the court - both offensively and defensively.
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Move Jefferies to bench and start Hill

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