BRIGGS wrote:It's a no brainer--but guess what? That's the last time we see hill for 17 games. We'l keep hooping and scooping with 4 points per 35 minutes at 40% JJ.

DW--can you find us a PG out of the D league or overseas--or just trade for one--maybe Mike James--someone--we need to move past the inconsistent Duhon once and for all.

id like to see this as well.

BRIGGS wrote:It's a no brainer--but guess what? That's the last time we see hill for 17 games. We'l keep hooping and scooping with 4 points per 35 minutes at 40% JJ.

DW--can you find us a PG out of the D league or overseas--or just trade for one--maybe Mike James--someone--we need to move past the inconsistent Duhon once and for all.

I agree with both points. It's so rediculous and so blatant, even a blind man could see it...Esp. with Duhon - man, this dude's been awful. AWFUL!! With Duhon I bet it boils down to this - there was a commitment by D'Antoni to make this guy a co-captain somewhere along the way. If I had to bet I think that, together with his halfway decent play from last year (before MDA just wore him down), has kept him in the coach's good graces & in his starting role up to this point. Not saying I agree with that, but I think that might be what's up here....Dude needs to sit down though. He's bringing nothing to the table... And I agree totally on the Hill for Jeffries thing -- right from the beginning, the frontcourt I wanted to see was Hill 5, Lee 4 and Harrington 3. I don't think we've seen that frontcourt once all year.

franco12 wrote:I'll be happy if we don't end up giving Utah a top 5 pick.

That should not be the focus of the team.

So let's say we are on the verge of doing so. Would you do a trade to prevent that....that would also destroy our 2010 cap space?

It's an honest and realistic question.

To me, the pick is gone, and it's better if it goes West anyways.

Our priority is OUR FUTURE.

Not...the future of that stupid pick.

To make it melodramatic to hammer home a point. You don't say to yourself "Hmmm...LeBron James...or...make sure Utah doesn't get a high lotto pick." Do you? I would hope not.

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:Jared hasn't been playing to raise his value. Perhaps early on, but ever since the team started winning he was getting the nod because of his defense. I don't know if Hill has reached the level of defensive awareness to take over for Jared completely, but he could easily get 10 mins a game and be a factor at some point. He's not agile enough to do what Jared does guarding multiple positions. Remember that Jared helps to take some of the pressure off Duhon, since he's such a terrible defensive PG.

Jordan Hill gives us a second big to protect the basket and secure rebounds + he has the ability to score points. Taking a charge and moving around on D is only part of the game--and that is the problem--with the inconsistency at the point--we need someone who can score points and rebound the basketball.

It's pretty simple Knicks fans--we have been down 20 points way to many times this year--time for change--I really believe we are lucky only to be 8 games under--maybe that changes if we can get some kind of impact from Hill and use Jefferies off the bench--we also need to be involved in trade maneuvers to revamp the bench and the PG position. jefferies value to the team is suited as an energy defender from the bench--thats it. Id like to give Douglas a chance as well--in Nate s position. He was playing well and was just thrown back on the bench--who knows why. Nate Robinson is gone--accept it--and start playing Douglas and stare Hill for goodness sakes. I know we are just stupid people who know nothing about basketball on these forums--but maybe just maybe we have a point.

I agree, but hill should have been playing from teh beginning of the season,he gives us something we don't get from jeffries. Scoring and the ability to finish around the hoop... He came in and really gave charlie V trouble.. and made some nice moves on offense..

Q. orangeblob - Imagine if Hill turns into like a young Bosh?

A. Stranger things have happened. Imagine if Donnie Walsh actually knows what he is doing.

The good news is that the Knicks yoots seem to share a willingness to do the extra work it requires to excel. The training tutorials that Greg Brittenham reportedly conducts with Landry, Douglas and Hill on game days are a positive sign. These three dedicated yoots will help change the culture of the Knicks franchise for years to come.

Look at his PHX team. Nash was the main cog, the guy that made it work. Bell usually started at the two but he was able to play SF also. Amare played PF to C. Marion played SF, PF, C. the SF (Diaw, Hill, Rose) usually could slide anywhere from the 2 to the 5 (Diaw played from the 3 to the 5. Hill and Rose played anywhere from the 2 to the 4). Barbosa played the 1 to spell Nash or 2 to spell Bell.

Getting too caught up positions is something Pringles doesn't do. I personally would like to see a PG(Douglas maybe, or trade for a young guy with potential like a Marcus Williams, Lowry, whoever) and Chandler(He is a McGrady/Butler type 2/3), Gallo, Lee, Hill.