Knixkik wrote:With the Knicks playing the raptors many times coming up, all eyes will be on how well lee can impact each game vs. bosh. It's obvious that bosh will receive max money this summer and lee won't, but my question is, what does david lee need to do the rest of this season to prove to everyone he is at the same level or close to bosh, and is worth keeping as a core piece for a contender?

What does he have to do to prove it to us, D'Antoni and Walsh, and even LeBron or another big FA?

Does he have to make the all-star team, finish the season averaging 20-11, and lead the Knicks to the playoffs while having a solid first round showing?

I'm sure at that point he will be worth 12 million per year minimum, but it's still 4-5 million less than bosh will get.

I'd like to know what it takes for people to be convinced he's good enough to be that second big FA.

For me Lee has to....

- stay healthy
- compete hard on both ends every night
- lead us to the playoffs

That would be enough to convince me that he is good enough to be that second guy.

Now -- what we would pay him is the $10M?

He has even worked on his shot and actually has a decent handle.

THe question is fit, not establisment.

If we want him we will keep him. All star team does not confirm his acomplishments.

playa2 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:With the Knicks playing the raptors many times coming up, all eyes will be on how well lee can impact each game vs. bosh. It's obvious that bosh will receive max money this summer and lee won't, but my question is, what does david lee need to do the rest of this season to prove to everyone he is at the same level or close to bosh, and is worth keeping as a core piece for a contender?

What does he have to do to prove it to us, D'Antoni and Walsh, and even LeBron or another big FA?

Does he have to make the all-star team, finish the season averaging 20-11, and lead the Knicks to the playoffs while having a solid first round showing?

I'm sure at that point he will be worth 12 million per year minimum, but it's still 4-5 million less than bosh will get.

I'd like to know what it takes for people to be convinced he's good enough to be that second big FA.

I find it hard to believe D. LEE or C. Duhon, would put up the same numbers that they do playoing for the knicks under dantoni if placed on another team .

well lee is playing under d'antoni and he's doing a damn good job of it.

iSergio wrote:If David Lee wasn't so soft defensively, I would have no problem giving him $10M. He's improved a lot as a scorer and would be a nice complement to a Star Center or a bigger PF. I'm just scared to death of Lee costing us an important Playoff game in the future because of his defense. When you're a starting PF on a contender, you got to be able to defend the paint some. Imagine what happened last year in Portland when Brandon Roy drove untouched to the paint for a layup over Lee happening in Game 7 of the Conference or NBA Finals.

I think thats why he is a 10-12M a year player and not a 15M a year player.

playa2 wrote:

Andrew wrote:

playa2 wrote:I find it hard to believe D. LEE or C. Duhon, would put up the same numbers that they do playoing for the knicks under dantoni if placed on another team .

Would you like to elaborate on why you think that?

The system that Lee and Duhon play in creates mismatches that doesn't always expose their weaknesses if they were put ona normal structured team. Lee wouldn't be the starting center going up against Slow plodding opponents if he played on another team. Lee's teamates set up on the perimmiter leaving him towork against slower opponents. Duhon in a normal running offense would be destroyed because of his lack of quickness and would be a major liabilty to his teams defense. Duhon would be a backup at best.

So in summary, what you're saying is, DLee is faster than his opponents...?

playa2 wrote:

Panos wrote:

playa2 wrote:

Andrew wrote:

playa2 wrote:I find it hard to believe D. LEE or C. Duhon, would put up the same numbers that they do playoing for the knicks under dantoni if placed on another team .

Would you like to elaborate on why you think that?

The system that Lee and Duhon play in creates mismatches that doesn't always expose their weaknesses if they were put ona normal structured team. Lee wouldn't be the starting center going up against Slow plodding opponents if he played on another team. Lee's teamates set up on the perimmiter leaving him towork against slower opponents. Duhon in a normal running offense would be destroyed because of his lack of quickness and would be a major liabilty to his teams defense. Duhon would be a backup at best.

So in summary, what you're saying is, DLee is faster than his opponents...?

David Lee played center in college , this is where he learned his big man skills.
But in the NBA the guy is QUICKER than 90% of his opponents at the C position.

To his credit he became more lethal in this offense now being able to knock down set shot jumpers.

Lee's improved shot puts slow C at a disadvantage trying to defend him on the perimmiter.

If they play up on him, he drives around them for either short flip shot or gets to the rim for a bunny or passes off to a open shooter.

So what's the problem?