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playa2
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Which Knick has the most appeal to the league in a trade.

Does the local media media portray your choice ?

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franco12
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1/11/2010  9:15 AM
you've kinda got two different questions.

Who is the best Knick?

And which player has the most value to other GMs?

My first answer is Lee.

But to other GMs, Gallo might be better because 1. potential & 2. cheaper contract.

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1/11/2010  9:21 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/11/2010  9:25 AM
Which Knick has the most appeal to the league in a trade.
Does the local media media portray your choice ?

It depends on the team which is looking at our players, of course.

If I was Minnesota, I think I would look at Gallinari to play SF for me.

If I was the Spurs, and hoping to get back to the top before Duncan retires, I might look at Lee.

If I was the Lakers, I might prefer Chandler.

The specific examples above- my opinion- but you get the idea.

Lee has already established as a player- Chandler and Gallinari are still in the process of "coming into their own." Lee is the most proven commodity of the three at this point, and with his newly found outside game, he has almost reached his upside as a player. Gallinari may have the greatest upside, but his back has to be a consideration, while Chandler is perhaps further along in his game than Gallo, and is already a "man," physically.

The other issue is that Lee is a FA after this year- he might only be a temp if you pick him up from us this year. Gallo(3)and Wilson(2) still have years left after this one.

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1/11/2010  9:36 AM
Best Knick? David Lee, right now. But not far behind are Ill Wilson and Gallinari. It depends how you look at it. Who has the most potential? Gallinari. He could be an MVP one day. Who is doing the most for us right now, in terms of helping us win? Chandler and Lee are neck and neck, given Ill Wilson's recent play and our winning streak. And who is the most established, the one where you know most certainly what you're gonna get every night? David Lee. So I guess it's Lee by a hair with Gallo and Ill Wilson close behind.
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1/11/2010  10:03 AM
Criteria For Best Knick Among The Three Amigos

Forget the money, let's go to the videotape...

Best Interview - Lee, always breathing hard like he just wrestled a bull

Best Field Goal contributions in regulation time - Lee, with The Mayor a close second

Best Field Goal contributions in the clutch - Lee, with Gallo gaining

Most Artistic Slam Dunks - The Mayor, no contest

Ball Handling - Lee, The Mayor, Gallo... heck I like em all

Defense - The Mayor defends all five positions, next question

Tats - The Mayor, hands down

Chick Dig The Long Ball - Lee with Gallo closing fast

Best Hair - Gallo

Best Uniform Digit - Spree wore 8, Charlie Ward wore 21, Spencer Haywood wore 42. Advantage Lee

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1/11/2010  10:39 AM
Why do I get the feeling that this is really just a thread created so that playa can say how overrated Gallo is by the fans.
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1/11/2010  10:59 AM
Andrew bc it most likely is....

However, Lee is our best player. no questions. His overall game has been so much more consistent and his defense has improved a little too. He is the team leader and wed be nowhere without him.

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1/11/2010  11:03 AM
Andrew wrote:Why do I get the feeling that this is really just a thread created so that playa can say how overrated Gallo is by the fans.

i was just about to post this same exact thing. heres the deal, my guess is that playa feels that chandler is the best knick, but he knows he won't beat out lee and gallo so he wants to make the poll and then go nuts when it goes lee, gallo, and then chandler.

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1/11/2010  11:10 AM
orangeblobman wrote:Best Knick? David Lee, right now. But not far behind are Ill Wilson and Gallinari. It depends how you look at it. Who has the most potential? Gallinari. He could be an MVP one day. Who is doing the most for us right now, in terms of helping us win? Chandler and Lee are neck and neck, given Ill Wilson's recent play and our winning streak. And who is the most established, the one where you know most certainly what you're gonna get every night? David Lee. So I guess it's Lee by a hair with Gallo and Ill Wilson close behind.

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1/11/2010  11:28 AM
Its so clearly Lee this is just silly. Chandler is becoming a very good player. I was really down on how he started the season, but he's looking a lot more like Danny Granger and a lot less like Desmond Mason every week. Its a great thing.

Gallo is doing great and I am happy with his development, but Lee is the motor that makes this team run. He's scoring at like 60%. The run the offense through him. He handles the ball, he handles the ball low. He makes the first pass to start the play. He grabs the defensive board and pushes the ball. He's scoring in the post now. He drills that 15-18 footer with ease like Kurt used to. He's improved, grown and elevated his game in every way.

As for the media... strangly, I think the media has been pretty acurate. The team as a whole is playing so much better and thats been reflected in the articles. Lee has gotten his due. Chandler had a nice write up about him last week which talked about his struggles and how he's been so vastly improved. Funny, how he mentioned "danphony" as being key in believing in him and getting him on track.

Gallo is Gallo... when was the last time we had a prospect like this? 6'10? Hits big shots late in games? Tough? Makes plays on both ends? Thats a good story.

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1/11/2010  11:45 AM
It's Gallinari. If anything, we underrate him (he's a bust, community pick, no handle, no d....).

He's shooting 44%, passes very well, plays within the team concept, blocks shots and is a good defender (not a great defender, but a good defender). He's making 80% of his ft's, and has shown he can make the shots when it matters.

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1/11/2010  12:21 PM
I was waiting to see who would make comments about the 2nd part question i posted to justify their choice . Not many responded.

I'll ask again,Does the local media media portray your choice ? how explain.

Why didn't we lock up our best player David Lee, he could walk next yr.

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1/11/2010  12:28 PM
Playa, maybe the typical fan would let the media portray their choice. Meaning, the fan that doesn't really watch most of the games, and when he/she does, they rely on the media to describe that player. However, most of us watch a very good portion of the games and are very knowledgable about the sport of basketball and our Knicks. As a result, we are able to watch the team and evaluate everything ourselves (Or most of us, I assume) then have the media tell us who to pick as favorite players. Not that the Knicks media does try to make us pick, because lately (As a result of the winning) it has all been fluff.

As for me, I picked David Lee as our best player b/c I know he's our best player. It's clear when you watch the game that the offense runs through him. He handles the ball almost as much as Duhon and does a good job at doing it. His defense is improved as well as every other aspect of his game besides shotblocking (which probably never will.)

And I think the fans here choose Gallo because of the promise he shows, and Chandler because of how good he's been playing LATELY. However, to me, it's not even a question. It's Lee. Amd I think it's obvious why we didn't give him a long extension, no?

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1/11/2010  12:31 PM
And in terms of how the league looks at the players, Chandler and Gallo have more value simply b/c Lee is an unrestricted free agent. If a team trades for him, he could potentially leave and they get nothing for him. That's especially considering that it's obvious that he WILL get a large contract.
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1/11/2010  12:32 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:

And I think the fans here choose Gallo because of the promise he shows,

Can't speak for others, but I chose Gallo because he's the best right now. Agree that he has promise of being even better, but that's not why I chose him.

I didn't respond to the bit about media portraying choice because I don't understand what it means.

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1/11/2010  12:39 PM
Markvmc, playa seems to be doing his typical overanylyzing of things with that media question.

I think there's no way Gallo is our best player right now. He isn't assertive enough. Not nearly actually. Doesn't take the ball to the basket enough at this point. And 60, 70% of his shots are 3 pointers jacked up, that could have been better shots.

He has all the tools, but he's not using them, yet. Or at least consistently. I am pretty sure that he will let his signs evolve into a consistent game, but for now, he's a 3 point threat who plays some good defense and at times, takes the ball to the rack. This isn't a knock on the guy though. This is essentially his first year. He's making strides every day and he busts his butt and is looking great.

However, if you compare Lee and Gallo, it's light years away at this point, in how polished Lee has become and how good he is. And that says a lot because I would say other than rebounding, Lee was worse than Gallo is now at every other area of the game when he first came in. So that shows how much potential Gallo does have.

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1/11/2010  12:39 PM
Via Daily News

“…Chandler has become a favorite of D’Antoni because of that ability to defend multiple positions. Plus, Chandler’s ever improving offensive game has been overshadowed by Lee and Danilo Gallinari. Chandler’s 15 point-per-game average is third-best on the team and he’s shooting 46%.

“A lot of people don’t talk about him,” D’Antoni said. “But Wil has been great.”

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1/11/2010  12:41 PM
playa2 wrote:Why didn't we lock up our best player David Lee, he could walk next yr.

I have no idea if this is a question, suggestion, or criticism of management. Miami, Cleveland, Toronto, Dallas, Houston and more teams have not locked up their best players. Let us also note that David Lee has added a new dimension to his game (or improved on it greatly): 15-18 footer, so it may also be clear to say that he was not the player he was last year.

As to the why, hasn't it been clear since day 1 when Donnie came to the Knicks that he wanted as much cap room to sign free agents? Even Lee admitted this as such and understood Donnie's explanation last summer. Last summer you don't sign DLee to anything near the $12M or whatever his agent was asking for. This coming year? Perhaps.

Your question is either grossly naive or disingenuous or surely lacking in much forethought for someone who follows the Knicks as closely as you surely do.

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1/11/2010  12:41 PM
Playa, it's funny. You don't want us to let the media portray how we feel, but here you are using the media to try to convince us.

And you have been as anti D'Antoni as they come, so how come you suddenly take his quotes so seriously? Because now he's praising your favorite player?

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1/11/2010  12:42 PM
playa2 wrote:Why didn't we lock up our best player David Lee, he could walk next yr.
Lee was good last year. He's better this year, a lot better. That being said as good as Lee has been (and he's my favorite player on this team and the best IMO) if Lebron wants to come to NY I am not letting resigning Lee stop me from that happening. As it turns out I believe we can bring in LBJ and give Lee his money, but its going to be tight
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1/11/2010  12:45 PM
Allanfan: we'll have to agree to disagree on this. I like Lee, but don't think he's better than Gallo. Now if Lee were as good defensively as he is offensively, that would be another story.

Playa: So does the second part of your question mean: Do the media generally agree with your choice of "best knick"?

If that's what it means, I would think that in general the media portray Lee as our best player, at least of late.

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