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TMS
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1/9/2010  11:29 PM
this game has become a farce of epic proportions... when u have guys like Shaq & T-Mac making the Allstar game year after year after playing a handful of games & guys who are much more deserving get snubbed, there's a serious problem.

as an avid fan of this game i would MUCH rather watch guys play in this game that are having the best seasons up to the halfway point regardless of who they are or where they play... David Lee deserves to be in the Allstar game this year & so do guys like Zach Randolph & Gerald Wallace... i feel bad for guys like that who deserve to be acknowledged as Allstars for having stellar seasons & get snubbed year after year because a buncha ignorant fans wanna treat this game like a popularity contest.

put the ballots in the hands of the coaches & sports writers i say... the fans get enough candy thrown their way with the 3 point shooting & dunk contests.

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1/10/2010  12:36 AM
get the fan vote away from all sports "all star" exhibition games.
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1/10/2010  12:48 AM
get rid of the all star game...
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1/10/2010  12:59 AM
Aren't all All-Star games in any sport popularity contests anyway?
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1/10/2010  1:06 AM
K22 wrote:Aren't all All-Star games in any sport popularity contests anyway?

nfl used to be a mix of fan+coach+player, dont recall if thats true. i agree its a popularity contest, at least for the starters. tmac+ai even getting this close in the fan vote is incredibly lame...

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1/10/2010  1:19 AM
sidsanders wrote:get the fan vote away from all sports "all star" exhibition games.

I totally agree. I also think making it count for something like in mlb is crazy. Maybe all sports should have their game after the season like the nfl.

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1/10/2010  1:26 AM
why mlb chooses to make things hard... all other sports give home field to the team with the best record (unless the title is played at a neutral site). i agree with djsunyc, scrap allof them... most of these games have become uninteresting. too much $$$ at stake to play too hard in a game that doesnt count.
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1/10/2010  2:33 AM
bro, i totally agree with you. the all-star balloting is an epic disgrace when you got guys like tmac, AI and shaq in starting positions. i understand it's the fans game but when the fans are voting these guys in, they don't deserve to have the vote.
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1/10/2010  4:00 AM
Players and coaches should be the only ones voting, unless you add a few spots to the team and fill them with the fan favorites who did not make the player's/coaches' team.

...and if I was someone like McGrady, Iverson, or Shaq, I would be ashamed if I was chosen to start on an All-Star team.

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1/10/2010  6:14 AM
I disagree with this completely. All Star weekend is about showcasing the talent that the fans wish to see in an exhibition game. It's not about assembling the best players. It's not about assembling the best team. All Star weekend is about showcasing what the collective fan wants to see. And the fan's selection rights extend only as far as the starters. After that, it's up to the coaches.

I fail to see what's wrong with that. There are guys that fans want to see.

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1/10/2010  6:24 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:I disagree with this completely. All Star weekend is about showcasing the talent that the fans wish to see in an exhibition game. It's not about assembling the best players. It's not about assembling the best team. All Star weekend is about showcasing what the collective fan wants to see. And the fan's selection rights extend only as far as the starters. After that, it's up to the coaches.

I fail to see what's wrong with that. There are guys that fans want to see.

That's kind of true. The All-NBA team is where it's at. But I hate the fans that want to see T-Mac and AI, they're so stupid.

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1/10/2010  6:45 AM
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SupremeCommander wrote:I disagree with this completely. All Star weekend is about showcasing the talent that the fans wish to see in an exhibition game. It's not about assembling the best players. It's not about assembling the best team. All Star weekend is about showcasing what the collective fan wants to see. And the fan's selection rights extend only as far as the starters. After that, it's up to the coaches.

I fail to see what's wrong with that. There are guys that fans want to see.

That's kind of true. The All-NBA team is where it's at. But I hate the fans that want to see T-Mac and AI, they're so stupid.

I agree that it's ridiculous that TMac and AI will be starters. But then again, the league promoted the hell out of the two of them and failed to match marketing dollars with younger, better talent. There are a lot of casual fans now, as there's only a certain slice of soceity that can afford the $250 night out for two. When they punch their ballot they punch what they know and what they know is who the league (and their media outlets) markets.

Frankly, I don't care about All Star weekend. Like you said, it's all about the All-NBA team. The only event I care about All-Star weekend is the three point shoot out. Sometimes I'm entertained byt the slam dunk contest. Very rarely is the actual exhibition worth watching.

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1/10/2010  7:35 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:I disagree with this completely. All Star weekend is about showcasing the talent that the fans wish to see in an exhibition game. It's not about assembling the best players. It's not about assembling the best team. All Star weekend is about showcasing what the collective fan wants to see. And the fan's selection rights extend only as far as the starters. After that, it's up to the coaches.

I fail to see what's wrong with that. There are guys that fans want to see.

That's kind of true. The All-NBA team is where it's at. But I hate the fans that want to see T-Mac and AI, they're so stupid.

I agree that it's ridiculous that TMac and AI will be starters. But then again, the league promoted the hell out of the two of them and failed to match marketing dollars with younger, better talent. There are a lot of casual fans now, as there's only a certain slice of soceity that can afford the $250 night out for two. When they punch their ballot they punch what they know and what they know is who the league (and their media outlets) markets.

Frankly, I don't care about All Star weekend. Like you said, it's all about the All-NBA team. The only event I care about All-Star weekend is the three point shoot out. Sometimes I'm entertained byt the slam dunk contest. Very rarely is the actual exhibition worth watching.

Truth. But even with the three-shooting contest, how can you not have Gallinari? Fail.

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1/10/2010  10:30 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:I disagree with this completely. All Star weekend is about showcasing the talent that the fans wish to see in an exhibition game. It's not about assembling the best players. It's not about assembling the best team. All Star weekend is about showcasing what the collective fan wants to see. And the fan's selection rights extend only as far as the starters. After that, it's up to the coaches.

I fail to see what's wrong with that. There are guys that fans want to see.

The original concept of any All-Star team was that the best and most deserving players would be picked to it. Giving the fans a say was just a marketing ploy.

When we argue about how much a player should be getting salary-wise, do we talk about his talent on the court, or that he is popular and was voted to the all star team?

Being on an All-Star team can mean for $$ for a player, and even though only the starters are selected by fans, a number of deserving players will miss out (Lee may be one this year) because a few guys were voted in as starters who did not belong on the team at all.

As I said earlier-let the players or coaches choose the real All-Stars, and then have 3 extra spots for fans favorite at G, F, & C.

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1/10/2010  11:21 AM
nyk4ever wrote:bro, i totally agree with you. the all-star balloting is an epic disgrace when you got guys like tmac, AI and shaq in starting positions. i understand it's the fans game but when the fans are voting these guys in, they don't deserve to have the vote.

You realize the irony this, right? Its a simple majority voted popularity contest. What is wrong is the amount of "value" assigned for All Star appearances when discussing a player's record. That is what is wrong with this. Players are constantly judged in terms of "all star" appearances which is probably the most irrational measure of performance that one can get.

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loweyecue wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:bro, i totally agree with you. the all-star balloting is an epic disgrace when you got guys like tmac, AI and shaq in starting positions. i understand it's the fans game but when the fans are voting these guys in, they don't deserve to have the vote.

You realize the irony this, right? Its a simple majority voted popularity contest. What is wrong is the amount of "value" assigned for All Star appearances when discussing a player's record. That is what is wrong with this. Players are constantly judged in terms of "all star" appearances which is probably the most irrational measure of performance that one can get.

Gee, that reminds me of something...

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1/10/2010  11:40 AM
loweyecue wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:bro, i totally agree with you. the all-star balloting is an epic disgrace when you got guys like tmac, AI and shaq in starting positions. i understand it's the fans game but when the fans are voting these guys in, they don't deserve to have the vote.

You realize the irony this, right? Its a simple majority voted popularity contest. What is wrong is the amount of "value" assigned for All Star appearances when discussing a player's record. That is what is wrong with this. Players are constantly judged in terms of "all star" appearances which is probably the most irrational measure of performance that one can get.


Good way to put it.

It would be nice, though, to have a system where the game did have some relationship between the way a player has performed during the season, and whether they are given the label of "All-Star."

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1/10/2010  12:44 PM
You know its a bunch of BS when T-Mac is starting for the West, and Iverson is starting for the East.
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1/10/2010  12:53 PM
Paladin55 wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:I disagree with this completely. All Star weekend is about showcasing the talent that the fans wish to see in an exhibition game. It's not about assembling the best players. It's not about assembling the best team. All Star weekend is about showcasing what the collective fan wants to see. And the fan's selection rights extend only as far as the starters. After that, it's up to the coaches.

I fail to see what's wrong with that. There are guys that fans want to see.

The original concept of any All-Star team was that the best and most deserving players would be picked to it. Giving the fans a say was just a marketing ploy.

When we argue about how much a player should be getting salary-wise, do we talk about his talent on the court, or that he is popular and was voted to the all star team?

Being on an All-Star team can mean for $$ for a player, and even though only the starters are selected by fans, a number of deserving players will miss out (Lee may be one this year) because a few guys were voted in as starters who did not belong on the team at all.

As I said earlier-let the players or coaches choose the real All-Stars, and then have 3 extra spots for fans favorite at G, F, & C.

See, I disagree. Whatever the intention is doesn't matter. The league made the decision to let the fans vote on who starts and therefore the collective votes represents what the fans want to see, not necessarily who is best.

All-NBA, that's reserved for the best

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1/10/2010  2:18 PM
fans gain a new appreciation for players that don't get the hype that others do when they make it to the AS team IMO... seeing Shaq hobbling around the court 40 lbs. overweight is not my idea of entertainment... as a fan of this game i appreciate seeing guys who've earned it to be acknowledged during AS weekend & put their talents on display on the national stage for everyone to see... i love seeing new guys who've never made it before get to the AS game... how awesome was it when John Starks got there for the Knicks? how great would it be for Bobcats fans if G Wallace got there? this can only help promote the game in new markets... if someone w/a bigger name got there over guys more deserving just because they're more popular, it makes the entire selection process a joke IMO... i realize the All NBA team is where guys are judged when it comes to the Hall of Fame, but players still get accolades for making the Allstar team in the media & gain cache with the fans... Shaq has been there, done that, he doesn't deserve any more hype when he hasn't done anything this year to deserve it... same goes for T-Mac, AI or anyone else who gets in based on popularity alone... i feel the same way when it comes to baseball too w/their ridiculous fan voting... Jason Varitek making the AS team with a .220 batting average is a joke... at least the NFL probowl usually gets it right when it comes to performance based selection.
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