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Possible Dampier offseason trade idea
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cuieee
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1/9/2010  11:08 AM
Jefferies + Chandler and Hill

for

Erick Dampier's contract that can be terminated this Summer
Future Draft Pick(s?)


Waiting until the offseason allows both the Knicks and the Mavericks to maintain team chemistry for their respective playoff pushes. Plus Dallas can: use JJ for big man depth, replace Josh Howard w Chandler, and develop Hill to spell Dirk. Before anyone gets mad at the idea of trading for Dampier, they should note that he would never play a game for the Knicks. This move is all about clearing contracts and this would clear roughly $10-11 million. Yea, it is a lot of talent to give up, but we need cap space for Lebron + Sidekick + Lee. Thoughts?

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1/9/2010  11:11 AM
holy crap. no.
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1/9/2010  11:34 AM
I will not post here for the rest of my life if this thread is not locked.
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1/9/2010  11:39 AM
Epic fail. Do the kid a favor and remove it from his post count.
You know I gonna spin wit it
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1/9/2010  12:00 PM
maybe you meant to post this here: http://www.dallas-mavs.com/vb/
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1/9/2010  12:02 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:I will not post here for the rest of my life if this thread is not locked.

martin, andrew.. please leave this thread open.

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1/9/2010  12:18 PM
Isiah, is that you?!
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1/9/2010  12:39 PM
Jumping kangaroos!

I think this idea should be put down under...very down under.

Time for a well deserved walkabout, mate.

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1/9/2010  1:16 PM
cuieee wrote:Jefferies + Chandler and Hill

for

Erick Dampier's contract that can be terminated this Summer
Future Draft Pick(s?)


Waiting until the offseason allows both the Knicks and the Mavericks to maintain team chemistry for their respective playoff pushes. Plus Dallas can: use JJ for big man depth, replace Josh Howard w Chandler, and develop Hill to spell Dirk. Before anyone gets mad at the idea of trading for Dampier, they should note that he would never play a game for the Knicks. This move is all about clearing contracts and this would clear roughly $10-11 million. Yea, it is a lot of talent to give up, but we need cap space for Lebron + Sidekick + Lee. Thoughts?

Wow!!! Maybe if I was playing 2K10 or NBA Live and I was Dallas

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1/9/2010  1:44 PM
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1/9/2010  3:33 PM
I think we should throw in Gallo too. The it makes sense.
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1/9/2010  4:21 PM
I was thinking it would be better if we keep Gallo. Thats bc a better deal sweetener would be to tell them that they can offer LeBron a contract before we do.
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1/9/2010  4:57 PM
Hmm, for Dampier, maybe we could throw in our 2011 first rounder, too?

Awful trade. Sorry you're gonna take so much abuse for this one, but it's a doozy.

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1/9/2010  5:06 PM
I'm pulling my socks down just thinking of this idea.
If you are still following the team and reading sites like this, there is nothing, short of your own demise, that is going to throw you off this train.
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1/9/2010  5:27 PM
Rookies shouldn't play with the trade checker.
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cuieee
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1/9/2010  5:45 PM
2010 contracts:
Jefferies 6,883,400
Chandler 2,130,481
Hill 2,669,520

Total contracts = 11,683,401
Total saved (including 3x caphold of 450k) = 10,333,401


$10,333,401 saved would leave enough space to maintain Lee’s caphold to ensure his bird rights and still have enough money to go after a max and a sidekick or a max and many good rotation players. Clearing this much is the next best thing to getting rid of Eddy Curry. Trading Chandler is the incentive for taking on Jefferies (who despite his good play recently would only be worth 2.5 mil tops on the open market). Trading Hill provides extra incentive and makes the salaries work for the cap.

Hill has a grand total of 42 points in the NBA. He was taken in the top 10 less than a year ago, but if the draft could be redone, he wouldn’t be taken this high. Given the CBA’s salary slotting system, this means he is currently overpaid relative to his draft slot, not to mention to his salary. Any serious discussion on how to clear 2010 payroll has to include Hill in the discussion. Since he is considered a project, it is worth it to wonder whether it is in the Knicks best interest to let him develop with the hopes that he could be a starter by 2013 or to trade him, use the cap space to ensure that David Lee remains a Knick, and to then draft a more developed player in 2011 with the pick obtained in the trade. Im willing to bet that the pick won’t have as high a ceiling, but it is possible that they could be further along in development than Hill by 2013 and losing David Lee isn’t worth the talent difference between Hill and this hypothetical pick. I wouldn’t normally want to trade him, but the Knicks don’t have anyone else on the roster to make the salaries match, except for Galinari, and he is much more ready to contribute next season.

Chandler is expendable. If the Knicks get Lebron, he would be the third best SF on the team (behind Lebron and Galinari). This means he wouldn’t get many minutes. His per game stats look good now, but they will dip considerably next year if Lebron comes. He can also play SG, but there are many free agents available this summer that are as good or better than him at this position. Dwayne Wade, Joe Johnson, and Ray Allen are SG whom could be that sidekick that lures Lebron here. Also on the unrestricted market are: Manu Ginobli, Tracy McGrady, Raja Bell, Devean George, Rasual Butler, Devin Brown, Larry Hughes and Quentin Richardson (not that I’m saying all of these guys are good fits, its just that with so many rotation players available, they will be bidding against each other in a buyers market.) Also, even John Salmons (ETO), Michael Redd (ETO), Anthony Morrow (Restricted), and JJ Redick (Restricted) could be available.

With so many SG in particular and free agents in general going to be available
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=FreeAgents-09-10

And with so many teams so far over the cap that they cannot offer max contracts despite the amount of players expiring
http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm

The top free agents will get their money, but with so little other cap room available in the league with so many players on the market, the Knicks should be prepared for a lot of rotation players going to make a fraction of what they used to. If you think JJ making nearly 7 million looks bad this season, next season it will be even more cringe worthy.

Before you instantly hate the idea, think how happy you would be if Curry could be moved and remember that wont happen and this is the next best thing.

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1/9/2010  5:56 PM
nyk4ever wrote:holy crap. no.

That was my reaction. Why don't we give them Gallo and Douglas while we are at it. LOL.

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1/9/2010  10:02 PM
hell no, i don't give up Chandler & Hill just to dump FL's contract... i'd give up Douglas, both our 2nd rounders & $3 mil in cash, but that's about the most i'd go
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1/9/2010  10:05 PM
cuieee wrote:2010 contracts:
Jefferies 6,883,400
Chandler 2,130,481
Hill 2,669,520

Total contracts = 11,683,401
Total saved (including 3x caphold of 450k) = 10,333,401


$10,333,401 saved would leave enough space to maintain Lee’s caphold to ensure his bird rights and still have enough money to go after a max and a sidekick or a max and many good rotation players. Clearing this much is the next best thing to getting rid of Eddy Curry. Trading Chandler is the incentive for taking on Jefferies (who despite his good play recently would only be worth 2.5 mil tops on the open market). Trading Hill provides extra incentive and makes the salaries work for the cap.

Hill has a grand total of 42 points in the NBA. He was taken in the top 10 less than a year ago, but if the draft could be redone, he wouldn’t be taken this high. Given the CBA’s salary slotting system, this means he is currently overpaid relative to his draft slot, not to mention to his salary. Any serious discussion on how to clear 2010 payroll has to include Hill in the discussion. Since he is considered a project, it is worth it to wonder whether it is in the Knicks best interest to let him develop with the hopes that he could be a starter by 2013 or to trade him, use the cap space to ensure that David Lee remains a Knick, and to then draft a more developed player in 2011 with the pick obtained in the trade. Im willing to bet that the pick won’t have as high a ceiling, but it is possible that they could be further along in development than Hill by 2013 and losing David Lee isn’t worth the talent difference between Hill and this hypothetical pick. I wouldn’t normally want to trade him, but the Knicks don’t have anyone else on the roster to make the salaries match, except for Galinari, and he is much more ready to contribute next season.

Chandler is expendable. If the Knicks get Lebron, he would be the third best SF on the team (behind Lebron and Galinari). This means he wouldn’t get many minutes. His per game stats look good now, but they will dip considerably next year if Lebron comes. He can also play SG, but there are many free agents available this summer that are as good or better than him at this position. Dwayne Wade, Joe Johnson, and Ray Allen are SG whom could be that sidekick that lures Lebron here. Also on the unrestricted market are: Manu Ginobli, Tracy McGrady, Raja Bell, Devean George, Rasual Butler, Devin Brown, Larry Hughes and Quentin Richardson (not that I’m saying all of these guys are good fits, its just that with so many rotation players available, they will be bidding against each other in a buyers market.) Also, even John Salmons (ETO), Michael Redd (ETO), Anthony Morrow (Restricted), and JJ Redick (Restricted) could be available.

With so many SG in particular and free agents in general going to be available
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=FreeAgents-09-10

And with so many teams so far over the cap that they cannot offer max contracts despite the amount of players expiring
http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm

The top free agents will get their money, but with so little other cap room available in the league with so many players on the market, the Knicks should be prepared for a lot of rotation players going to make a fraction of what they used to. If you think JJ making nearly 7 million looks bad this season, next season it will be even more cringe worthy.

Before you instantly hate the idea, think how happy you would be if Curry could be moved and remember that wont happen and this is the next best thing.

Are you still giving this thought?

WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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1/10/2010  2:38 AM
cuieee wrote:Jefferies + Chandler and Hill

for

Erick Dampier's contract that can be terminated this Summer
Future Draft Pick(s?)


Waiting until the offseason allows both the Knicks and the Mavericks to maintain team chemistry for their respective playoff pushes. Plus Dallas can: use JJ for big man depth, replace Josh Howard w Chandler, and develop Hill to spell Dirk. Before anyone gets mad at the idea of trading for Dampier, they should note that he would never play a game for the Knicks. This move is all about clearing contracts and this would clear roughly $10-11 million. Yea, it is a lot of talent to give up, but we need cap space for Lebron + Sidekick + Lee. Thoughts?

Sure, here is the counter offer
Jeffries, Nate + 3 million cash and 2nd rounder in 2010
For
Demps and Beaubois

Possible Dampier offseason trade idea

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