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Should the Knicks Still Trade Jared Jeffries for an expiring contract?

David Lee tonight mentioned how Jeffries is the defensive anchor on the team, and there have been numerous stories written about this, so it's good to see his trade stock is up. But if we trade him for an expiring, we open up another 6.9 million next year, and if the Salary Cap is 55 Million, then we have 34.6 million open. And that is enough for two 16.5 million max contracts, 30% for 7 year players at a salary cap of 55 Mil.

Everyone would love to move Eddy Curry, but Christmas has passed, no miracles, and it looks like he will end up a huge expiring next year. And to make this work, we would have to denounce David Lee, which I hate. But if Lebron would only sign if he could bring his friend Bosh with him, then it would be worth it?

So do we trade Jared for an expiring?

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AbrahamLincoln
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1/8/2010  3:15 AM
Uh, yes.
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1/8/2010  3:38 AM
yup...
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1/8/2010  3:47 AM
No, this year seems to direct to the playoffs. And for this, it would not without JJ.

And the Cap Space is sufficiant to sign Bron and Lee.

What would you like more, LeBron, Lee and a 2011 Max, or Bosh & Bron, no Lee no 2011?

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1/8/2010  4:07 AM
Got to say I really love to watch the team fight and win! A BIG aspect of this is the better D and JJs role in this has been crucial.
Basically it comes down to a gamble. If we dont trade JJ and make the playoffs, Im totally fine with Bron and DLee as the FA price 2010 and another max in 2011!
If we dont make it and didnt trade JJ in the attempt, perhapes even fall short by a big margine due to injury or something... we lose...

For now Id like to keep him and continue this strong push!!! Bron or whatever FA will be so much more inclined to come if he sees the Knicks perfomre like this over the course of the season!

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1/8/2010  4:36 AM
SteveSmith wrote:No, this year seems to direct to the playoffs. And for this, it would not without JJ.

And the Cap Space is sufficiant to sign Bron and Lee.

What would you like more, LeBron, Lee and a 2011 Max, or Bosh & Bron, no Lee no 2011?

u will still have Curry's $11 million coming off the cap after next year, so even if u sign 2 max guys this offseason u can still sign another impact FA in 2011... dumping Fishlips is a no brainer... even if u decide to go Lee & someone else instead of Bosh, having that cap flexibility is key to this entire offseason... there's no guarantees that Lebron will sign here, but u have a much better chance of it happening if u can bring in as much top talent as u can this offseason... Fishlips is a nice help defender but otherwise he's a liability... u need to get Jordan Hill into the rotation at some point as well.

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1/8/2010  6:07 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/8/2010  6:08 AM
TMS wrote:
SteveSmith wrote:No, this year seems to direct to the playoffs. And for this, it would not without JJ.

And the Cap Space is sufficiant to sign Bron and Lee.

What would you like more, LeBron, Lee and a 2011 Max, or Bosh & Bron, no Lee no 2011?

u will still have Curry's $11 million coming off the cap after next year, so even if u sign 2 max guys this offseason u can still sign another impact FA in 2011... dumping Fishlips is a no brainer... even if u decide to go Lee & someone else instead of Bosh, having that cap flexibility is key to this entire offseason... there's no guarantees that Lebron will sign here, but u have a much better chance of it happening if u can bring in as much top talent as u can this offseason... Fishlips is a nice help defender but otherwise he's a liability... u need to get Jordan Hill into the rotation at some point as well.

I kinda agree with you. But as I said a few times before, I think we have everything in place for LeBron as it is. I dont think he needs another Big besides Lee. And I just hope that Lee is still here when the party is starting.

He has done the hardest thing to do in NY. He got the fans. Totally! At the beginning of the year everyone argued about his defense costing games. He does not play that much different then before, but right now everyone realizes that his offense outweights the defensive shortcomings by a good margin. And a big reason for this is the team playing D as a unit, initiated by Jared Jeffries.

I would like to see Jordan Hill. But I think the moment we trade away JJ, will be the end of our Playoff run for this year.

We are 12-6 since that dreadful start! Thats 66% wins! And its not like the streaks we had in the last years. Then, you have always expected the implosion. I have to admit, I do the same thing at the moment, but thats more out of bad habit than from the actual play.

Shure, its gambling on Bron, but isnt that what 2010 is all about?

PS: Just a phantasy of mine, what is Brandon Roys contract situation? Is he free agent after this year? After the next? He would be THE SG for the Knicks. Him and Bron in the "backcourt", damn! Gallo, Lee, Hill, Bron, Roy? 4 guys with Albert Einstein BBall IQ and amazing skills mixed in one starting lineup with a hustle guy in the middle

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1/8/2010  6:21 AM
Ah, and one more thing:

Still completely in gambling-for-Bron-mode, but I can see guys taking qualifiing offers from their Teams to compete in the Knicks-Idol show.

This mega TV event will be from Nov 2010 until July 2011. LeBron, Dantoni and Walsh is the jury, while every 2011 free agent will compete to be chosen by the chosen one ^^

But: Its only working this way if we have enough money left.

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1/8/2010  7:20 AM
I'd trade Jared but really only because we need Hill to start getting minutes. Hill might play pretty good defense, but he is not going to be the floor general on D that Jared is. At the same time, Hill needs to start his training. It would probably benefit us because Hill adds a jumpshot and finishing which Jared doesn't.

One thing of note, as Steve Smith said, we have enough to sign Lee and Bron so it's not imperative to trade Jeffries. We are playing good, and I trust management here. One does get the feeling that we are going to trade Jeffries since Curry seems like a longshot.

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1/8/2010  8:28 AM
Jeffries is not going to make or break our playoff run this year IMO... Larry Hughes is a better player than he is any day of the week if u ask me, plus he brings great defense in his own right... not the help defender that Fishlips is but on ball certainly, & he plays the passing lanes better than anyone on our team by far... if u lose Fishlips it's up to other guys to step up, bottomline... there is no way in hell u can let holding onto Fishlips be the reason u jeopardize the entire 2010 plan over... FISHLIPS GUYS! we're talking about FISHLIPS here! what are we talkin' about?!
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1/8/2010  8:40 AM
crunch the #s. We dont need a 2nd max FA, thats Lee. If we have enough for Lee and Lebron then you can wait and see. You have to be sure of that. If NOT dumping Jared costs you resigning Lee and offering Lebron max than your an idiot.
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1/8/2010  8:43 AM
Jeffries is playing the best ball of his career, but if you can trade him then you have to do it.
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1/8/2010  8:55 AM
nyk4ever wrote:Jeffries is playing the best ball of his career, but if you can trade him then you have to do it.

Agree. I've never seen this guy play better. But for the good of the team's future, if an opportunity comes along to clear his salary, you do it, no questions asked.

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1/8/2010  8:56 AM
If you told me 8 weeks ago that I will speak out for Jared, I would have called you crazy!

But it is like it is. And I think we are that far, that we can expect that there will be a good team down the road really wanting Jeffries. Not just take him for 2 tomatos and a apple. No, they will give us somebody (pick/player) valuable at the trade deadline, because he will help them advance further in the playoffs.

If we are out of the playoff picture in a month, im totally for trading him, but until then, let us wait. It might be the most boring task for a fan or a sportswriter to watch Donnie work as a GM on a day-to-day basic. But thats the thing, he is not working day-to-day. And if the team is doing nicely and making the playoffs as a 7th, play 5 games of playoffs against the Cavs, it will be more important then 7 mio more cap space.

Its just my point of view, and I admit that this is looking like a team were you can exchange one part (Hill for Jeffries) and still have the same kind of team. You just cant tell in advance.

@ earthmansurfer: Dont make the mistake and take Hills DNP as not developing.
Im amazed that there is no second league in US-Basketball. No place were a player like Hill could develop by leading a team.
But if he is not playing at the moment, it doesnt mean that he is not learning. He is practicing with the team and learning at the games. And its not a bad thing the team is playing good. Thats the first time in ages that a young player can watch our team and learn good stuff. No Marbury behind a towel. No Nate joking while the team is losing. No ballhogs playing 1-5 the whole game. No, he can watch the pick and roll, the defensive hustle, the ball sharing. He can see what David Lee, Jared Jeffries and Wilson are doing, and he will be better by imitating them. If he is as bright as you can only hope, he will pick up more by watching and learning, then by beeing forced to play when he is not ready.

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1/8/2010  9:01 AM
Steve, there is a 2nd league in US Basketball, the NBDL... granted the level of play is not even close to what you find in the NBA but that is an avenue that is available to us... right now i'd rather have Hill practicing w/the team in case someone gets injured, but just watching Jordan Hill wasting away on the bench is tough to take... i wanna see this kid get minutes cuz i know for damn sure he has the ability to be a very good player, he just needs the reps just like any young player does... i think he can step in & make a nice contribution right now if called upon... i guess we'll just have to be patient cuz dumping Fishlips should be our #1 priority right now.
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1/8/2010  9:11 AM
I know about the D-League, but wasnt there something about us sharing a team with the Jazz?

Thats not what I think is helping.

Let me explain how its handled at football (soccer for my US friends )

There is a system of up to 8 leagues in germany. The first 3 are Pro-Leagues, the last one is the one a UK team would play in ^^
The junior teams of every pro club are playing in the appropriate league (mostly 3-5) and every player below 23 years is allowed to switch between the pros and the youths. They are practicing together, and every young player is attending the games of the pros. When a young player is playing great and the pro team has a need, he gets to the pros for 3 games. When the normal rotation players are good to go, he gets back to the second unit.

Thats developing young players in my view.

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1/8/2010  9:29 AM
I have gone back and forth on this. Our biggest problem is not Jeffries, it is Lee. Walsh should have wrapped him up this past summer for the $7 mil per year we could have had him for. Now it is likely going to take at least $10 mil per year to resign Lee, which means we have to trade Jeffries to keep this team together. At this point, we drafted Hill to be a young athletic center of the future. So we basically need to go all in and trade Jeffries. Now that Jeffries has some trade value, we might be able to do a deal trading him for an expiring by himself without including Nate or another asset. We then sign Lebron, resign Lee and maybe Nate and let Harrington, Darko, and Hughes leave. Team next year is Douglas, Chandler, Lebron, Lee, DG, with Nate and Hill on the bench.
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1/8/2010  9:32 AM
TheGame wrote:I have gone back and forth on this. Our biggest problem is not Jeffries, it is Lee. Walsh should have wrapped him up this past summer for the $7 mil per year we could have had him for. Now it is likely going to take at least $10 mil per year to resign Lee, which means we have to trade Jeffries to keep this team together. At this point, we drafted Hill to be a young athletic center of the future. So we basically need to go all in and trade Jeffries. Now that Jeffries has some trade value, we might be able to do a deal trading him for an expiring by himself without including Nate or another asset. We then sign Lebron, resign Lee and maybe Nate and let Harrington, Darko, and Hughes leave. Team next year is Douglas, Chandler, Lebron, Lee, DG, with Nate and Hill on the bench.

There was no way Lee was signing a long term contract for 7. His agent actually wanted 12. Lee is actually playing up to what his agent wanted. We could have signed Lee to 7 two years ago but back then he wasn't worth it.

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1/8/2010  9:48 AM
You take away Jeffries and we're not talking about the playoffs this year. He is playing at a 4.3m$ clip. Still not worth the 7m, but 4.3m? For sure. No Jeffries, no playoffs. Remember that. Now, should they trade him? I don't know. Seems that he would be a good addition to our team. He can knock down more and more jumpers. You keep him next year, then sign him for less than 7m and you have a keeper.
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1/8/2010  9:53 AM
Listen, I want to make the playoffs as much as anybody and like it or not Jeffries is a huge part of the way we're playing right now, but the reality of the situation is that this team is going to look completely different next year. So while making the playoffs this year is something that we're all starving for, it really isn't the most important thing right now, so if we can deal Jeffries in the RIGHT trade, then we have to do it.
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1/8/2010  9:57 AM
i'd much rather see Jordan Hill be given minutes next season, or even sign someone like Marcus Camby to a short term deal, than lock up Fishlips longterm if you're looking to fill that role off the bench.
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