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nykbasketball
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1/5/2010  11:33 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/5/2010  11:33 AM
IF the Knicks sign Lebron what will the starting lineup be? I'm hoping Duhon will be gone and we will have a capable point guard, maybe Raymond Felton? Our lineup doesn't really work next year because we have too many SF's.

PG - Felton? Nate? Douglas?
SG - Wilson
SF - LeBron
PF - Gallo?
C - Lee

I can see us having some issues with a lineup like that because the only one that is a threat from downtown is Gallo. Wilson is just too inconsistent to be considered a legitimate three point threat, and LeBron is just an average three point shooter. We need to get a real SG this offseason, not a SF who plays out of position. Assuming we resign Lee, we are not going to have a lot of cap room so there are limited viable options. Some of the players that stand out are Ronnie Brewer (Restricted), Kelenna Azibuke (Unrestricted), Anthony Morrow (Restricted), Chris Douglas Roberts (Restricted), Shannon Brown (Restricted), Thabo Sefolosha (Restricted), and Randy Foye (Restricted). Some young players who might be available for the right price include Courtney Lee, Martell Webster, Aaron Afflalo, and the always popular Rudy Fernandez. Next year's draft doesn't look very deep at the SG position, and assuming we sign LeBron and have a good season, it might not be a bad idea to trade a pick for one of these guys.

Also, Andre Igoudala and Caron Butler have been rumored to be available, and a trade like Curry, Nate, Hill, and our #1 for Igoudala, Primoz Brezec, Rodney Carney, and Royal Ivey (maybe we can convince them to throw in Speights instead of Ivey if they really want Igoudala gone) is a good deal. Igoudala's salary matches up exactly with Hill and Curry so we do not lose any 2010 cap space. Brezec and Carney expire this year so we don't lost any cap space there either. I don't know why the 76ers are trading Igoudala because he is an exceptional player but I have to believe it has something to do with money and the belief that he is not the long term solution. They would save tons of money because Igoudala is signed for 4 more years and Curry expires next year. They also get Nate relatively cheap for a year (he attracts fans at the worst) and a young player in Hill along with the first round pick we give up. I am a huge Igoudala fan, I love everything about his game. He is one of the best defenders at SG, he rebounds, passes well, a 32% shooter from 3 for his career, and is the best dunker in the league. In my opinion, he makes us a much better team this year, and a title contender next year if he is paired with LeBron. Butler also makes us a lot better but he is older than Iggy and not the same player he used to be, which is why I prefer Igoudala.

In a perfect world we can make a trade for Igoudala or Butler this year, but we don't, so we probably will have to sign one of the free agents or make a trade for the lower tier SG's. I rank the free agents/trade players like this: Courtney Lee, Aaron Afflalo, Ronnie Brewer, CDR, Shannon Brown, and everyone else is on the same level in my opinion. To play SG next to LeBron there are 2 main requirements, hitting the open 3 and playing good defense. That's pretty much what I ranked these players by. I really like Courtney Lee and Afflalo though because I think they can hit the big shot, and LeBron has been criticized for passing the ball to open shooters for the last shot.

With all this being said, I just don't think we can be successful with Wilson as our starting SG. He just isn't a SG and it is pretty obvious. We should really try to get one of these players I mentioned and make him our starting SG. Even though these players might not be more talented than Wilson, they fit the role much better, and would make our starting lineup complete.

PG?
C. Lee/Afflalo/Iggy?
LeBron
Gallo
Lee

When we bring Wilson off the bench we can do something like this:
Douglas
C.Lee/Afflalo/Iggy
Wilson
LeBron
Jeffries

That's a pretty horrible offensive unit but that's when LeBron can just do his thing and go 1 on 1. That lineup would play some mean defense though, and ultimately, that's what has been winning us games.

On a side note, I think has changed his ways. He realized this year that playing good defense gives us a better chance to win than playing good offense. Hopefully next year he will still be preaching defense because our offense will be more efficient next year with LeBron (knock on wood). I think everyone involved in Team USA has realized that Defense is the key to winning, and that shows clearly this year and hopefully it will next year.

What do you think? Should we go after another SG or just let Wilson handle the SG duties?

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1/5/2010  11:36 AM
I'm hoping that Gallo can develop into our PF by next year, or maybe the year after. If Gallo can handle PF, then you got Ill Wilson at SF. Ill Wilson isn't cut out to be a shooting guard because he can't shoot, unless he practices and develops a deadly long range.
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1/5/2010  11:41 AM
orangeblobman wrote:I'm hoping that Gallo can develop into our PF by next year, or maybe the year after. If Gallo can handle PF, then you got Ill Wilson at SF. Ill Wilson isn't cut out to be a shooting guard because he can't shoot, unless he practices and develops a deadly long range.

Agreed. But if we get LeBron, where do you play him? SG?

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1/5/2010  11:51 AM
nykbasketball wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:I'm hoping that Gallo can develop into our PF by next year, or maybe the year after. If Gallo can handle PF, then you got Ill Wilson at SF. Ill Wilson isn't cut out to be a shooting guard because he can't shoot, unless he practices and develops a deadly long range.

Agreed. But if we get LeBron, where do you play him? SG?

Oh yea. You play him I don't know. MDA would make some type of hybrid role for him where he handles the traditional 'PG' duties. But now that I think about Gallo at PF, that makes Lee a center, and he can't swat shots. So we're without a swatter. This is very complicated.

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1/5/2010  11:57 AM
Yeah its going to be an issue next year. We need a center and a PG but we will have 4 core players (LeBron, Lee, Gallo, Chandler) and they all play SF or PF. If LeBron can handle the PG duties you can get away with Gallo at SG and Wilson at SF with Lee and Jeffries but on defense Gallo would have to guard the SF or PF and Jeffries can guard the PG/SG/SF depending on the matchups.
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1/5/2010  12:04 PM
It doesn't really matter what position you have Lebron at.

He can play any position but C.

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1/5/2010  12:23 PM
Lebron is a point forward currently. The ball always goes thru him.

Duhan is a back up at less money. Felton is a nice player but we'll just have to see Who MDA really wants as his QB. I can see Wilson as trade bait if his value is high.

I see:

smallPointforward: Lebron
PF Dlee
C: Bosch
SG:Gallo
Point: Via trade for Wilson.

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1/5/2010  12:25 PM
I think we will see no trades including jeffries this year. He is just to valuable for us right now (I kinda hate to say it, but wasnt it the same thing with Chris "Godlike Offence" Dudley? You just love to cry about every blown layup with those guys...!)

In my opinion the lineup will look pretty much like this:

PG: LeBron
SG: Toney
SF: Gallo
PF: Lee
C: Jeffries

6th: Wilson
7th: Hill
8th: Landry
9th: Bender
10th: 2010 2nd round
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15th: Curry

This is what Donnie has to estimate right now. And its not to bad, right? No champion either, but at least LeBroon will automatically increase the level of everyone around him.

That will be the time you look for trades. Well, you got Chandler, Hill, Toney, Landry, 2010 2nd rounder to trade for other Rookie-Contract Players that are a better fit for LeBron. And I'm not so shure trades will be needed, if so, it will be Wilson, for the Ricky Rubio rights

And after that year, you just collect the one Max Player LeBron wants to have out of the Free-Agent Pool 2011, sit back, relax and enjoy a new era in BBall.

Cant argue to much, there is definatly some hope there for the Knicks! Lets wait and see whats really happening.

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1/5/2010  12:29 PM
I really think a good option is Farmar at the point position. We is a player that has lost confidence and is not going to get a lot of money. He is quick and can shoot and is a pick and roll point guard.

The knicks have a better team than the Cavs from top to bottom. If you subtract Harrington and Lebron from each team. We don't need a center. Lee will do just fine. Felton is interesting because I think on the right team he can be a very good player. I think the Knicks hold pat and Lebron if he is smart signs with the Knicks.

Douglas, Hill, Gallo, Chandler, Lee is a very nice core. You add Lebron and one year later you have 17 million coming off the books.

Miami (Wade, Beasely), Chicago (Rose, Noah, Deng), LA (Davis, Kaman, Gordon, Griffin), New York Cleveland.

I think any of those teams offer him a better chance to win than the Cavs. I don't see him going to the Bulls because that was Jordan's city and it will always be. Clippers are interesting because he could take Kobe's shine away. Miami is very enticing, but does playing with Wade make sense for him???

It's going to be interesting. But I think our core talent is very underated.

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1/5/2010  12:35 PM
LeBron isn't a terrible 3PT shot himself... and if the outside shot is really that big of a concern, look to trade Chandler for JJ Reddick or something
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1/5/2010  1:16 PM
As much as I would like to believe that the D'antoni offense can work without a traditional PG, I think the existence of Chris Duhon demonstrates that relies on a traditional PG to initiate the offense. In that vein, a Lebron-esque point forward still requires a player that can get the ball up the floor and to the point forward.

However, I think the key component of the Knicks defensive resurgence is the length that they put on the floor.

Because of that defensive benefit, I would hope the Mike D moves away from his traditional PG leanings and opts to keep a long athletic team on the floor by replacing the Duhon-esque defensive liability with a defensive stalwart.

Guys like Jeffries, Harrington and Gallo can all guard the PG position without giving up much because they have the quickness to stay in front of PGs and even when they get beat, they have the length to defend the shot from the trailing position. I would assume that Lebron would have the same ability. So, might as well let Lebron bring the ball up.

I think the ideal lineup then is 4 long SF/PF types and a defensive center/utility.

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1/5/2010  1:37 PM
Nalod wrote:Lebron is a point forward currently. The ball always goes thru him.

Duhan is a back up at less money. Felton is a nice player but we'll just have to see Who MDA really wants as his QB. I can see Wilson as trade bait if his value is high.

I see:

smallPointforward: Lebron
PF Dlee
C: Bosch
SG:Gallo
Point: Via trade for Wilson.

You basically wrote what I was thinking. Priority is a PG, with or without Lebron. MDA's system needs a strong PG to make it hum. At this point, I think Wilson will have to be part of a trade since he is one of our only assets without real restrictions. I am entertained by the idea of Gallo at SG. If he can really develop that head fake, one dribble jumper, he could be deadly at SG.

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1/5/2010  1:39 PM
I think Bosh and Lebron will be joining the knicks in the summer of 2010. Lee is a goner cause he's agent will demand 11 to 12 mil a yr especially the way he's playing.


Out of the free-agents on this team, Duhorn will be back. I dont know why you guys are hatin on duhorn but he's top ten in assisst and top 4 in assist to turnover ratio. He's very consistent running the pg.

pg Duhorn 6'1
sg Chandler 6'8
cen Bosh 6'11
Sf James 6'8
PF.Gallo 6'10

Tall with size on this lineup.

bench: harrington will be back signing for the midlevel. Jeffries and Curry will be gone possibly during the trading deadline. Walsh always find a way to get what he wants done. Bender, Landry, Douglas and J. Hill will all be returning to the knicks in 2010/11 season.

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1/5/2010  3:06 PM
I think David Lee will still be here next year. He is our best player right now and he is playing at an All-Star level. As much as we complain about him, the only thing Lee is not top 5 (or close to it) in for centers is blocks. He is an extremely efficient offensive player who does not need shots to score and in addition to that he is one of the best rebounding and passing big men. And even though he does not block shots, his man defense is average. Overall he has a huge positive impact on the game. Another thing I like about Lee is that he improves one facet of his game every offseason and is always getting better. So right now a 6 year 60 million dollar deal might look like too much but 6 years from now it could be one of the best contracts in basketball if Lee keeps improving like he is now. In comparison to Lee, I really don't think Bosh is worth another 6-8 million. The grass is always greener on the other side, and I think that is why people prefer Bosh and his max deal over Lee and his 6 year 60 million deal. If they were both getting paid the same, its Bosh, but with the money that the Knicks would save by resigning Lee they could get another good player for that 6-8 million per year. There are so many big men that could play center for 6-8 million per year. Tyrus Thomas, Camby, Tyson Chandler, and Pryzbilla are all FA's and could be getting contracts around that amount.

I would like the Knicks to keep Chandler but if they are going to keep him they have to find a role for him. If LeBron can play SG they can put Chandler at the 3, Gallo at the 4, and Lee at the 5. And in a perfect world, LeBron could play PG and we could put Wilson at SG (assuming he develops a consistent jumpshot), Gallo at the 3, Lee at the 4, and Jefferies at the 5. That lineup has scary length and would be tough to score on.

Which team do you think is better?
LeBron
Chandler
Gallo
Lee
Thomas/Camby/T. Chandler/Pryzbilla
Bench: Harrington (on the cheap), Jefferies, Douglas, Hill, Landry, Bender, Nate?, another mid level FA

or

Douglas
Chandler
LeBron
Gallo
Bosh
Bench: Harrington, Jeffries, Landry, Bender

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1/5/2010  3:09 PM
WOODMANnYk wrote:I think Bosh and Lebron will be joining the knicks in the summer of 2010. Lee is a goner cause he's agent will demand 11 to 12 mil a yr especially the way he's playing.


Out of the free-agents on this team, Duhorn will be back. I dont know why you guys are hatin on duhorn but he's top ten in assisst and top 4 in assist to turnover ratio. He's very consistent running the pg.

pg Duhorn 6'1
sg Chandler 6'8
cen Bosh 6'11
Sf James 6'8
PF.Gallo 6'10

Tall with size on this lineup.

bench: harrington will be back signing for the midlevel. Jeffries and Curry will be gone possibly during the trading deadline. Walsh always find a way to get what he wants done. Bender, Landry, Douglas and J. Hill will all be returning to the knicks in 2010/11 season.

THat's some wishful thinking right there. What makes you think it will be so easy to trade Curry and JJ? Bosh ain't going to wait for the trade deadline next season when they are expirings. We would have to move them before the summer if want to sign Lebron AND Bosh. I just don't see it. The second max FA won't arrive here until the following summer, when Eddy and JJ are gone.

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1/5/2010  4:12 PM
if we sign Lebron & they manage to fit Lee's extension under the cap somehow, you are looking at Toney Douglas as your starting PG next season... there isn't enough cap space to sign anyone else of note after those 2 moves unless u can dump Curry or Fishlips' albatrosses for expirings this year.
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1/5/2010  4:34 PM
TMS wrote:if we sign Lebron & they manage to fit Lee's extension under the cap somehow, you are looking at Toney Douglas as your starting PG next season... there isn't enough cap space to sign anyone else of note after those 2 moves unless u can dump Curry or Fishlips' albatrosses for expirings this year.

I don't think that's so bad. He can defend and he can score. He's adequate with handling the ball, and
LBJ will be doing much of the handling anyway. I can live with that.

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1/5/2010  4:44 PM
Panos wrote:
TMS wrote:if we sign Lebron & they manage to fit Lee's extension under the cap somehow, you are looking at Toney Douglas as your starting PG next season... there isn't enough cap space to sign anyone else of note after those 2 moves unless u can dump Curry or Fishlips' albatrosses for expirings this year.

I don't think that's so bad. He can defend and he can score. He's adequate with handling the ball, and
LBJ will be doing much of the handling anyway. I can live with that.

i agree w/u, if we sign Lebron i would have no problem w/starting TD at PG... just saying don't expect us to sign a guy like Ray Felton unless we dump another contract.

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1/5/2010  4:50 PM
At this rate, barring a Jeffries trade which would give us a 2nd max FA. I think Duhon and Harrington and Lee get re-signed. Then we look to 2011 for that elusive 2nd FA.

Sign LeBron, Re-Sign Duhon, Lee, Harrington.... and look to 2011 to "Round out" the roster.

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1/5/2010  4:52 PM
What is the cap situation? I thought we could sign 2 max free agents right now because the cap apparently will be going up because the NBA is having a good year or something like that. If that's the case we will have room for LeBron, Lee, and another free agent in the 6-8 million dollar range in addition to our MLE. We even have nate's bird rights if we decide to keep him.
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