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DJMUSIC
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12/30/2009  10:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/30/2009  10:40 PM
Nate Robinson may be a jerk and I think Mike D made his point about rotation
But he's slowly breaking down the knicks players physically (6-7 guys) per game.

I understand the short rotation and give NY credit whom is playing some D'
and winning but fact is Knicks ain't good enough talent wise to be playing guys
whom judgement on shots and not going to the basket isn't consistent.

Nate isnt the only problem when it comes to clunkers by Chris Duhon and A.Harrington
in some games and their judgement.

Coach job is to develop and teach players not show the media and nate that he isnt part
of any team or philosophy. Nate's issue is just as much D'Antoni fault as it was Nate.

You got Larry Hughes (whom i like) his game is now lost in space.
But D'Antoni stubborness is he'd rather play satan than Nate Robinson, no rookie in this league.
Knicks huffing and puffing running out of steam in Charlotte D'Antoni refused to put in Nate to
pressure R.Felton and the Bobcats whom seem to have NY's number.

All I'm saying is that D'Antoni isnt the player's coach he is made out to be.
He's all about making shots and laments about Defense only cause he's in NY and
Mike team never ever had to play Defense before.

I used to admire Mike and still respect him. What he is going out of his way to do with
Nate Robinson borders on ridiculous. I dont say you need to play this man every game or
ever few games. Its obvious that something wrong gone down and deeper than we know but
since Knicks got a Coach whom should teach he isnt teaching Nate or the public nothing more
than he's an A_Hole whom is even more guilty than Nate Robinson stay on Knicks this season.

Despite the wins I am happy about the play of Danillo and Chandler development though both are
far too inconsistent to get too excited yet but seem headed in right direction, coach Mike D will
chase off free agent players to come to NY in 2010.

That kind of A_hole we don't need, Larry Brown Part 2.

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12/30/2009  10:48 PM
Five more coaches to add to the list

Woody Hayes

Bobby Knight

Bill Parcells

Red Auerbach

Mike Leach

This ain't a popularity contest, or is it?

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12/30/2009  10:50 PM
Your posting privileges should be revoked.

MikeD is squeezing everything he can out of this team. How do you think they're winning DJ?

This team cannot play individual defense and they have nobody that can create their own shot while playing respectable defense on the other end.

What do you do with a team like that?

Well, if you're smart, you put as much length as you can on the floor at the time, and mix in some zone looks and what happens? Holy crap, you play the best defense this team has seen in years.

On the offensive end, with no dominant player, you need to have spot up shooters out there who have high basketball IQ.

MikeD is jamming as many smart, long basketball players as he can on the court at the same time to make up for what they lack.

If you put Nate out there, a lot of that falls apart. He can blame himself, because he has the ability to run the point, but that light bulb has not gone on yet for him for whatever reason.

If you put Curry out there, similarly everything falls apart. Unless he can function in the rhythm of the team, he's not going to get any burn. This team is not built to change tempo every 15 minutes.

What's the point of putting Nate out there? That ship has sailed. You either make him into AI-lite and make him the focus, or you do what we're doing and sit him. Neither Nate or Curry have done enough to warrant being key components of the team this year.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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12/30/2009  10:52 PM
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“I’m going to believe in 9 or 10 guys, and that’s who we’ll go into battle with,” he said then. “And they’ll love me, and I’ll have a few guys hate me. That’s just the way it’s going to be.”

- Mike D'Antoni

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12/30/2009  11:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/30/2009  11:45 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:Your posting privileges should be revoked.

Do not thing that remark was called for

Listen I am happy they are winning and how its going but if anyone thinks for 1 sec we really have a PG
here in Chris Duhon as a leader and starter whom makes difference then I guess we're doing better than
I am seeing.

You try to win the game
making remarks he'd rather play Satan than Nate isnt right.

I hear what you're saying about using what he got and the success knicks recently had especially at home msg,

However no one is ever going to convince me Mike saying he'd play satan is the right professional remark to make
you try to win the game. Chandler and Harrington does their thing on the wing are far too much rather hoist than
go to basket when Knicks are in games tight games that could go in their favor.

I Guess Nate is only one that cant play Defense since he got here so perhaps Knicks should cut him.
AI would have not been good enough here either.

Our winning team is Chandler, the consisten David Lee (whom plays D these days), Harrington and Duhon.

Lost souls Larry Hughes, Bender and Jarred Jeffries are consistently inconsistent & are those other role players on
this team whom likely wont be here next year.

Its understandable you win with defense so Knicks play it now better without Nate Robinson on court
better than anyone else in their conference at least to D'Antoni. We'll see how this team does in 2010
personally I think team is gonna break down playing 6-7 guys whom have played better but isnt there yet.

I dont believe NY is good enough to play 6-7 guys seven to eigth weeks in a row without some probability for
injury. Early in the year Duhon was the guy entire NY want to run out of town cause he STUNK. He's doing better
now but aint the answer in a long season. Not enough as_sists, not enough pts, not enough defense and not enough
timely jumpers by Duhon as starter PG like the rest of Knickerbocker team.

Guess later on that will be Nate Robinson's fault also when D'Antoni calls his number in March 2010

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12/30/2009  11:43 PM
I give credit to D'Antoni for shortening the rotation. I also think guys need structure and discipline but I don't think he provides or communicates these expectations to his team like many coaches do. I also think that playing Satan comment was pretty far off base coming from D'Antoni. D'Antoni doesn't want anyone on his team who cannot police themselves and display mature character without guidance from their coach. There was no way D'Antoni would have brought AI in. There is a reason why Jeffries and Duhon get so many minutes and it is not because they are part of the most talented 5 on the roster.
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12/30/2009  11:55 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/30/2009  11:57 PM
CrushAlot wrote:I give credit to D'Antoni for shortening the rotation. I also think guys need structure and discipline but I don't think he provides or communicates these expectations to his team like many coaches do. I also think that playing Satan comment was pretty far off base coming from D'Antoni. D'Antoni doesn't want anyone on his team who cannot police themselves and display mature character without guidance from their coach. There was no way D'Antoni would have brought AI in. There is a reason why Jeffries and Duhon get so many minutes and it is not because they are part of the most talented 5 on the roster.

you're right, agreed 150%
But my thing is to win the game.
If your ship is sinking in Charlotte cause you guys are shooting 15 for 80 and you're losing to subpar < 500 team
then maybe you can put in a player off the bench whom can give you a shot when no one else will that night.

That is my point. If Robinson was needed cause Knicks are laying bricks D'Antoni aint gonna play him
and I fault the coach. I disrespect that.

Last season i disdained Marbury. Marbury probably lied but he wasnt alone. I am also glad marbury is off Knicks and out
of NBA. However when you're Knick team broke down and you're Mike D'Antoni telling Marbs he aint part of nothing then
when you dress 5 guys and ask him or tell him he's gonna play and Marbury refused D'Antoni sets himself up for the nonsense
seen last season.

It cant happen again here, Nate may be a jerk but so is Mike D' and he is a coach whom needs to discipline but teach guys
like Nate. Not what's going on now with Knicks. What is going on with Knicks now is irregardless of the Knicks current rotation
the rotation shorten is a convenient excuse.

Marbury WAS A BAD GUY. Nate is immature but isnt a bad guy or person. Treat the man with a teeny bit of respect.
D'Antoni does not do that. He'll pay later on when Knicks guys get injured for playing too too many minutes even in
blowout games.

Come on Knicks people forumers, open your eyes you mean to tell me ? in blowouts by knicks or even if NY is on short end ?
that beside the rookies Nate Robinson cannot get into a NBA Game? What do u think is going on here ?
This man is in league for 4 yrs and getting paid NBA $$$money contract.

D'Antoni huge ego will be something to watch and if you pay lot of attention to Dwayne Wade comments on the knicks and
wonder which NBA stars want to come here in 2010 and why Knicks are irrelevant for many NBA stars future you have to look
at the organization.

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12/30/2009  11:55 PM
We have only one consistent player - DLee. We have 2 guys who have promise but not yet consistent - Galo, Chan...
Thats it... All the rest is garbage. Everybody knows this.

Now how you can get something out of the team with 3 players worth something?
Mike is damn good to squize the level of game they have now.

Can it last long? No way.
But this is done for us fans to have something to root for and for this 3 to get better.

Our time is not now - it is 2 long years of wating. Thank You Mike for something to make it not so sad to wait.

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12/31/2009  12:02 AM
DJMUSIC wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:Your posting privileges should be revoked.

Do not thing that remark was called for

Listen I am happy they are winning and how its going but if anyone thinks for 1 sec we really have a PG
here in Chris Duhon as a leader and starter whom makes difference then I guess we're doing better than
I am seeing.

You try to win the game
making remarks he'd rather play Satan than Nate isnt right.

I hear what you're saying about using what he got and the success knicks recently had especially at home msg,


That is not even close to what he said. You're just posting junk if you don't want to do a little Google work to get the quote right.

He said he would play Satan if it would help the Knicks win. Holy cow, what a crazy coach!

He's saying he'd play anyone on the team regardless of their personality if it got the Knicks over the hump.


This team does not have the players to make up for Lee and Nate's lack of defense in order to put them both on the floor for big minutes. This is the team MikeD has to work with. What do you want him to do?

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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12/31/2009  12:16 AM
Thanks MDA for winning 38% of the games this year. He must be coaching his @ss off to have this only 8 games below .500 with 9 games to go before the Knicks hit the halfway mark in their season. He is a miracle worker and I am glad that I am enlightened. I can't imagine anyone else able to have this team 8 games below .500 at the 32 game mark. It must be his system.
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12/31/2009  12:29 AM
Anyone remember that Nate, when he was playing, looked like he'd essentially lost his mind in the offseason?

Dude is a completely out of control player now. Only the Knicks know what he looks like in practice. Unless he shows that he's playing at a level that overrides his lack of defense, and his effect on the rest of the offense, then you guys tell me why he should play right now?

Is this board concerned about the Knick's ticket sales among 5-12 year-olds now?

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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12/31/2009  12:32 AM
DJ, i am with u on this all the way... i admire MDA's coaching ability, but he's made this entirely personal w/Nate & i don't think it needed to go there... when you see Duhon & Hughes having horrible nights & when Gallo can't even hit the side of the basket, no one can tell me inserting a scorer like Nate couldn't have helped this team tonight... this has become more about MDA exerting control over his team than focusing on trying to get the W, i don't care what other kinda BS MDA wants to shovel at this point... MDA has obviously made up his mind to never play Nate ever again no matter what the circumstances... fine, as a coach that's his right, but if that's the case then get this man traded or buy him out & let him pursue a living someplace else... stop making him into a spectacle on the bench cuz it doesn't reflect positively on our franchise.
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12/31/2009  12:39 AM
God forbid our coach tries to exert control over the team.

That never works for Jackson or Riley right?

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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12/31/2009  12:48 AM
I think D'Antoni is a very loose players coach when it comes to structure and discipline. However, things seem to be black and white with him. He goes from loosey goosey to banishment and buyout pretty quickly without communicating that things are headed that way.
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12/31/2009  1:01 AM
Anyone forget that this team had the opportunity to operate with Mike as a laid back coach? What did they do? Went 1-9 while putting out a terrible effort.

Mike then shortens the rotation, and benches every player that can't play both ways.

Knicks then go on a winning streak.

You're right, what an A__hole

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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12/31/2009  1:04 AM
JohnWallace44 wrote:God forbid our coach tries to exert control over the team.

That never works for Jackson or Riley right?

when is the last time Jax or Riles ever banished one of their best scorers on the team in this fashion for this extended amount of time just to prove some kinda point? they control their teams because they have the respect of their players... IMO going this route can only make MDA the object of scorn for a number of guys that could otherwise be useful... there doesn't seem to be any kind of communication between MDA & the players sometimes & to me, that is a problem.

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12/31/2009  1:16 AM
TMS wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:God forbid our coach tries to exert control over the team.

That never works for Jackson or Riley right?

when is the last time Jax or Riles ever banished one of their best scorers on the team in this fashion for this extended amount of time just to prove some kinda point? they control their teams because they have the respect of their players... IMO going this route can only make MDA the object of scorn for a number of guys that could otherwise be useful... there doesn't seem to be any kind of communication between MDA & the players sometimes & to me, that is a problem.

it's not to prove a point, man. nate's defense sucks and his offense has nothing to do with the team concept.

why is the problem d'antoni and not the way nate plays?

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crzymdups wrote:

it's not to prove a point, man. nate's defense sucks and his offense has nothing to do with the team concept.

why is the problem d'antoni and not the way nate plays?

Nate Robinson was not playing badly before his benching. Check the game logs.

The Knicks winning in December has to do with a few factors:

1) Duhon started playing decently, he was the worst starting player in the NBA during November.
2) Harrington playing better down the stretch.
3) Gallinari, Chandler, and Hughes getting hot + Jeffries playing the way he did in Washington.
4) And don't forget some lucky breaks when it came to the schedule.

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This entire "The Knicks are winning because Nate Robinson is not playing" is about as fallacious an argument as one can make.

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12/31/2009  1:39 AM
crzymdups wrote:
TMS wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:God forbid our coach tries to exert control over the team.

That never works for Jackson or Riley right?

when is the last time Jax or Riles ever banished one of their best scorers on the team in this fashion for this extended amount of time just to prove some kinda point? they control their teams because they have the respect of their players... IMO going this route can only make MDA the object of scorn for a number of guys that could otherwise be useful... there doesn't seem to be any kind of communication between MDA & the players sometimes & to me, that is a problem.

it's not to prove a point, man. nate's defense sucks and his offense has nothing to do with the team concept.

why is the problem d'antoni and not the way nate plays?

i dunno if u were watching the game tonight but neither Duhon nor Hughes were playing any kinda of defense whatsoever... & both of them weren't hitting their shots... Hughes looked like a hot mess tonight & i actually like the guy... i don't think injecting Nate into this game would have hurt our chances of winning, if anything it could have helped when we were struggling to get baskets during the runs that Nets were going on throughout the game.

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12/31/2009  1:47 AM
D'Antoni is such an A__hole. Isiah Thomas was a great man, he just needed more time to complete his vision. Isiah is a genius.
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