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12/29/2009  12:17 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/29/2009  12:19 AM
Given their different skill sets, who would be your ideal FA center to sign in 2010 - David Lee or Brendan Haywood? Personally, I would take Haywood at 8-9M before I sign Lee at 12M. I wouldn't be surprised at this point if Lee's agent doesn't look for more than that.
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12/29/2009  12:47 AM
Lee will never be an ideal center. He's been having an incredible year, and I wouldn't hesitate to bring him back next year for 11-12M, but at some point, we need to find a legit C to put next to him.

I like Haywood, but there's no way I spend 8-9M in cap space this summer on him. Sign your FA then try and trade for a center.
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12/29/2009  12:48 AM
haywood? is d'antoni getting fired after this season?
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12/29/2009  1:05 AM
Rookie wrote:Given their different skill sets, who would be your ideal FA center to sign in 2010 - David Lee or Brendan Haywood? Personally, I would take Haywood at 8-9M before I sign Lee at 12M. I wouldn't be surprised at this point if Lee's agent doesn't look for more than that.

Glad you are not making that call! Id rather give Lee 15mm than haywood at 4

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12/29/2009  1:06 AM
It will not be a true center no matter who is signed with MDA as coach.
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12/29/2009  1:07 AM
I would take Haywood but I like traditional centers. He is putting up nice numbers and blocks shots.
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12/29/2009  1:11 AM
Hay Wood!!! 8-9 mils.... 


HayWood
Season Team G   GS  MPG  FG%   3p%   FT%   OFF DEF RPG  APG SPG BPG TO  PF  PPG 
09-10  WAS  28  28  33.2 0.517 0.000 0.616 4.0 6.4 10.5 0.5 0.5 2.3 1.3 2.8 9.3 
Career      558 430 24.2 0.526 0.000 0.618 2.7 3.4 6.2  0.6 0.4 1.5 1.1 2.7 7.6 
Lee
09-10  NYK  30  30  35.7 0.577 0.000 0.781 2.4 8.4 10.8 2.7 1.1 0.4 2.5 3.2 18.4 
Career      317 159 28.7 0.566 0.000 0.762 2.8 6.4 9.2  1.6 0.8 0.3 1.5 2.7 11.6

Guy blocking more shorts and this about it. he can compliment Lee but not replace him.

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12/29/2009  1:22 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
Rookie wrote:Given their different skill sets, who would be your ideal FA center to sign in 2010 - David Lee or Brendan Haywood? Personally, I would take Haywood at 8-9M before I sign Lee at 12M. I wouldn't be surprised at this point if Lee's agent doesn't look for more than that.

Glad you are not making that call! Id rather give Lee 15mm than haywood at 4

Come on Briggs, are you sure? A legitimate center who can not only grab defensive boards but can also grab offensive boards and block shots. A 7 footer who is excelling in the pick and roll and is a defensive presence? When it comes to stats, you can measure points scored but you can't measure points 'not' scored. I have to give credit to Lee to becoming consistent with the 15' jumper, but at the C position, Haywood has the tools while Lee still has the Jazz hands At 12M+ I'd still rather have Randolph playing center and wishing he was gone. Haywood is a traditional gut at a blue collar price compared to Lee.
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BRIGGS wrote:
Rookie wrote:Given their different skill sets, who would be your ideal FA center to sign in 2010 - David Lee or Brendan Haywood? Personally, I would take Haywood at 8-9M before I sign Lee at 12M. I wouldn't be surprised at this point if Lee's agent doesn't look for more than that.

Glad you are not making that call! Id rather give Lee 15mm than haywood at 4

Come on Briggs, are you sure? A legitimate center who can not only grab defensive boards but can also grab offensive boards and block shots. A 7 footer who is excelling in the pick and roll and is a defensive presence? When it comes to stats, you can measure points scored but you can't measure points 'not' scored. I have to give credit to Lee to becoming consistent with the 15' jumper, but at the C position, Haywood has the tools while Lee still has the Jazz hands At 12M+ I'd still rather have Randolph playing center and wishing he was gone. Haywood is a traditional gut at a blue collar price compared to Lee.

David Lee is a modern day David Cowens--you don't get rid of those players. I don't see us spending 8-9mm[that is big money] on a conventional C unless it was a top tier guy who has the ability to score 20. Lets try to get LBJ and work from there--I would be kind of upset if our 2010 plan involved removing lee for Brendan haywood.

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12/29/2009  1:35 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/29/2009  1:41 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
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BRIGGS wrote:
Rookie wrote:Given their different skill sets, who would be your ideal FA center to sign in 2010 - David Lee or Brendan Haywood? Personally, I would take Haywood at 8-9M before I sign Lee at 12M. I wouldn't be surprised at this point if Lee's agent doesn't look for more than that.

Glad you are not making that call! Id rather give Lee 15mm than haywood at 4

Come on Briggs, are you sure? A legitimate center who can not only grab defensive boards but can also grab offensive boards and block shots. A 7 footer who is excelling in the pick and roll and is a defensive presence? When it comes to stats, you can measure points scored but you can't measure points 'not' scored. I have to give credit to Lee to becoming consistent with the 15' jumper, but at the C position, Haywood has the tools while Lee still has the Jazz hands At 12M+ I'd still rather have Randolph playing center and wishing he was gone. Haywood is a traditional gut at a blue collar price compared to Lee.

David Lee is a modern day David Cowens--you don't get rid of those players. I don't see us spending 8-9mm[that is big money] on a conventional C unless it was a top tier guy who has the ability to score 20. Lets try to get LBJ and work from there--I would be kind of upset if our 2010 plan involved removing lee for Brendan haywood.

I can completely understand the loyalty to Lee, I'm really just looking at the skill set that I would like to see at the center position with a slant that he also be athletic enough to play on an MDA team.

BTW - I can't think of any 7 foot centers scoring 20ppg who aren't getting max or near max money.
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12/29/2009  9:58 AM
You sign D Lee as your PF of the future, not your center. The center position should belong to Hill longterm, so a nice veteran center can come in to split time with him. Ideally, the Knicks can sign Camby for a lucrative one-year deal and develop Hill behind him. Hopefully we can get Camby for 65-70 games next season at 20 mins a night. Hill can back him up for 20 mins per as well, then we can go small ball for the remaining minutes. Camby instantly brings veteran leadership and a defensive presence to the lineup that will help you win now, plus he's still good enough in transition to fit the offense temporarily.
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12/29/2009  10:08 AM
Bring back Channing Frye
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Knixkik wrote:You sign D Lee as your PF of the future, not your center. The center position should belong to Hill longterm, so a nice veteran center can come in to split time with him. Ideally, the Knicks can sign Camby for a lucrative one-year deal and develop Hill behind him. Hopefully we can get Camby for 65-70 games next season at 20 mins a night. Hill can back him up for 20 mins per as well, then we can go small ball for the remaining minutes. Camby instantly brings veteran leadership and a defensive presence to the lineup that will help you win now, plus he's still good enough in transition to fit the offense temporarily.

Given their similar numbers, Haywood is 5 years younger and is still developing his offensive game. We could probably sign Haywood for 3 years 22-25M with a 4th year option. Camby might be a 1 year stop gap, but that's alot of cap space to spend on a temporary fix. Hill could be 2-3 years before he develops. I think the big question mark is Lee. I just think that as much as I like Lee, there are just better options for the PF and C positions. I think Gallo could eventually be a very good PF.

Going forward if we can sign Lebron, I think our areas of immediate need are still at the C and PG positions. Since the 2010 FA PG and draft class look thin we should address our needs at center and look to fill the PG spot in 2011 and look for an inexpensive stop gap like Sergio Rodriguez for 2010. A line-up of:

PG - Sergio
SG - Chandler
SF - Lebron
PF - Gallinari
C - Haywood

with a bench of:
Jeffries, Douglass, Hill and Bender could win some games. I still wouldn't mind us looking into trading Harrington for Tyrus Thomas either.
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12/29/2009  12:34 PM
rookie ck your stats haywood is 4 yrs older than lee
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12/29/2009  12:47 PM
kingofelpaso wrote:Bring back Channing Frye

Perfect center for system

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12/29/2009  12:53 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/29/2009  12:56 PM
cooch2584 wrote:rookie ck your stats haywood is 4 yrs older than lee

Ok, I thought Haywood was 5 years younger than Camby. I was comparing Camby to Haywood. They have similar skill sets. Lee has a different skill set altogether. I think it comes down to what we want from the center position. A long agile defensive minded shot blocking presence who can also grab offensive boards, give you 10 pts a night (dooble/dooble) and force other teams (especially quick guards) to shoot from the perimeter or a guy who can give you 20 pts, 10 defensive boards, no offensive boards and can play passable team defense but in no way can intimidate opposing teams on defense. I also think Haywood still has room to improve his offensive game and has improved his conditioning to become more agile and is excelling in the pick and roll. We can also get him for less money and years than if we re-sign Lee.
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12/29/2009  12:54 PM
Det went to b2b finals and was party to the biggest NBA finals upset ever when they beat that loaded Lakers team. They did that starting a 6'8 center who forced them to play 4 on 5 on defense.

Cant focus on "traditions." Knicks need to put together the best players that will be in the best position to succeed here.

Lee doesnt need the ball in his hands to be effective and the dude is all star caliber this year, and just keeps getting better. I dont know where he plays but this guy needs to be back here, without question.

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12/29/2009  1:00 PM
I would go with what we have and wait for Dwight Howard in 2011.
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buddapaw wrote:
kingofelpaso wrote:Bring back Channing Frye

Perfect center for system

Agreed. We can probably get him for a decent cheap rate if he is willing to come back.
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