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JesseDark
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12/28/2009  6:22 PM
I don't see this covered in a post yet...

I think the Marburization of Nate continues. The fine may be coming from the NBA and not the Knicks but is a little over the top IMO, especially since it was something his agent said and not him.

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12/28/2009  6:32 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/28/2009  6:33 PM
JesseDark wrote:I don't see this covered in a post yet...

I think the Marburization of Nate continues. The fine may be coming from the NBA and not the Knicks but is a little over the top IMO, especially since it was something his agent said and not him.

does the Marburization of Nate imply that marbury was a good player who the organization made look bad and forced out of town? if that's true for marbury was has no one else signed him?

these players need to take some responsibility for their actions - nate's agent wouldn't have said that if nate didn't want him to.

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12/28/2009  6:36 PM
crzymdups wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I don't see this covered in a post yet...

I think the Marburization of Nate continues. The fine may be coming from the NBA and not the Knicks but is a little over the top IMO, especially since it was something his agent said and not him.

does the Marburization of Nate imply that marbury was a good player who the organization made look bad and forced out of town? if that's true for marbury was has no one else signed him?

I think he is trying to draw parallels with the demonetization of the two, but obviously one was clearly more deserving of ire than the other.

This Nate situation is growing absurd. Are the Knicks addicted to drama to the point where they actively seek it out and attempt to provoke? Why isnt there the same dedication to winning?

It seems like we are assured one of these soap operas every year. In almost all cases, these situations are easily avoidable.

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12/28/2009  6:41 PM
sebstar wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I don't see this covered in a post yet...

I think the Marburization of Nate continues. The fine may be coming from the NBA and not the Knicks but is a little over the top IMO, especially since it was something his agent said and not him.

does the Marburization of Nate imply that marbury was a good player who the organization made look bad and forced out of town? if that's true for marbury was has no one else signed him?

I think he is trying to draw parallels with the demonetization of the two, but obviously one was clearly more deserving of ire than the other.

This Nate situation is growing absurd. Are the Knicks addicted to drama to the point where they actively seek it out and attempt to provoke? Why isnt there the same dedication to winning?

It seems like we are assured one of these soap operas every year. In almost all cases, these situations are easily avoidable.

the Nate situation may be absurd to you and some others but not me.

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12/28/2009  6:49 PM
Why not trade him last year with his trade value was at its apex? Why re-sign him? Do the ends justify the means in publically embarrassing him like this? Dont you consider this whole episode counter-productive?

His behavior didnt come out of nowhere and the biggest example of his lack of professionalism this year is him shooting the ball at his own basket. Not worth all this..

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12/28/2009  7:02 PM
sebstar wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I don't see this covered in a post yet...

I think the Marburization of Nate continues. The fine may be coming from the NBA and not the Knicks but is a little over the top IMO, especially since it was something his agent said and not him.

does the Marburization of Nate imply that marbury was a good player who the organization made look bad and forced out of town? if that's true for marbury was has no one else signed him?

I think he is trying to draw parallels with the demonetization of the two, but obviously one was clearly more deserving of ire than the other.

This Nate situation is growing absurd. Are the Knicks addicted to drama to the point where they actively seek it out and attempt to provoke? Why isnt there the same dedication to winning?

It seems like we are assured one of these soap operas every year. In almost all cases, these situations are easily avoidable.

That is exactly what I am referring too. We have seen this movie before. This situation is a negative especially when the goal is to lure free agents next year.

Bring back dee-fense
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12/28/2009  7:18 PM
sebstar wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I don't see this covered in a post yet...

I think the Marburization of Nate continues. The fine may be coming from the NBA and not the Knicks but is a little over the top IMO, especially since it was something his agent said and not him.

does the Marburization of Nate imply that marbury was a good player who the organization made look bad and forced out of town? if that's true for marbury was has no one else signed him?

I think he is trying to draw parallels with the demonetization of the two, but obviously one was clearly more deserving of ire than the other.

This Nate situation is growing absurd. Are the Knicks addicted to drama to the point where they actively seek it out and attempt to provoke? Why isnt there the same dedication to winning?

It seems like we are assured one of these soap operas every year. In almost all cases, these situations are easily avoidable.

it's only absurb because the absurb new york tabloid writers are latching on to it as a story in a season where the main story is wait til next season.

in that light, comparing it to marbury's situation may be apt - in both cases, berman made a lot more out of it than need be and the rest of the media circus followed.

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12/28/2009  7:19 PM
I think the big issue with the entire situation has to do with communication. It appears that D'Antoni struggles in his ability to communicate with some players. I am not a Marbury fan but the sudden shunning of Steph after he came to camp in shape and participated in the entire training camp was a surprise and put Walsh in a bad position. I think the same thing is happening with Curry and Nate. Curry addressed the issue in an article in the Post yesterday.

He told the New York Post that president Donnie Walsh has talked to him about his concerns, but that D'Antoni has yet to speak with him.

"As a player you always want to know what's going on," Curry said. "That's his style I guess. I'm not in any position to question his style. I'm just going to roll with it and hopefully I'll get out there."

"He understands right now where we are," D'Antoni said in a comment that completely contradicted what the center said.
I don't think D'Antoni is handling these situations in the right way. It gives the appearance that if a player is not the perfect teammate and he tires of them, he banishes and shuns them. D'Antoni knew what the roster was when he took more money over the Bulls job. He knew who Nate was when he was resigned this offseason. He continues to put Walsh in a bad position and takes away from the value of potential assets.

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12/28/2009  8:16 PM
Talented players are benched every game in the NBA. Only it New York does someone have to be dramatic and in-the-wrong about it.
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12/28/2009  9:39 PM
JesseDark wrote:
sebstar wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I don't see this covered in a post yet...

I think the Marburization of Nate continues. The fine may be coming from the NBA and not the Knicks but is a little over the top IMO, especially since it was something his agent said and not him.

does the Marburization of Nate imply that marbury was a good player who the organization made look bad and forced out of town? if that's true for marbury was has no one else signed him?

I think he is trying to draw parallels with the demonetization of the two, but obviously one was clearly more deserving of ire than the other.

This Nate situation is growing absurd. Are the Knicks addicted to drama to the point where they actively seek it out and attempt to provoke? Why isnt there the same dedication to winning?

It seems like we are assured one of these soap operas every year. In almost all cases, these situations are easily avoidable.

That is exactly what I am referring too. We have seen this movie before. This situation is a negative especially when the goal is to lure free agents next year.

Any top FA who has respect for the game of backetball will approve what MDA is doing with Nate.
Nate making a mocery from the game avery time he steps on the court. It is all about him, not about the team.
The only exuse I can take for him - he has a mind of kindergardener. But no exuses for his agent - he knows what he is doing.
That's why Nate can say whatever he want, but his agent shoud think about what he is talking about.

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12/28/2009  9:43 PM
offer him the buy-out and let him go if he isn't a part of the plans and let him continue his career elsewhere.

cares about Harrington and Hughes getting their next contract what makes Nate any different in that regards?

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12/28/2009  9:45 PM
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My problem with the Knicks management is that they make stupid decisions. They are player value killers. They devalue thier own team.
Remember what I say!! Nate will be a force in this league. Not with the Knicks but with another team. Now he is being fined but thats alright because he know once he gets out of New York he ain't looking back. Just like Ariza.

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12/28/2009  9:46 PM
Good.

Actually a part of the reason that they fined him was they fined SJax for the same thing a few months ago. Granted, SJax said it and not his agent but as far as the NBA goes, the agents still work for the players. They have to set a precedent. It isn't beyond belief a player and agent would conspire to make a public trade request through the agent while the player preaches plausible deniability.

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12/28/2009  10:18 PM
arkrud wrote:
JesseDark wrote:
sebstar wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I don't see this covered in a post yet...

I think the Marburization of Nate continues. The fine may be coming from the NBA and not the Knicks but is a little over the top IMO, especially since it was something his agent said and not him.

does the Marburization of Nate imply that marbury was a good player who the organization made look bad and forced out of town? if that's true for marbury was has no one else signed him?

I think he is trying to draw parallels with the demonetization of the two, but obviously one was clearly more deserving of ire than the other.

This Nate situation is growing absurd. Are the Knicks addicted to drama to the point where they actively seek it out and attempt to provoke? Why isnt there the same dedication to winning?

It seems like we are assured one of these soap operas every year. In almost all cases, these situations are easily avoidable.

That is exactly what I am referring too. We have seen this movie before. This situation is a negative especially when the goal is to lure free agents next year.

Any top FA who has respect for the game of backetball will approve what MDA is doing with Nate.
Nate making a mocery from the game avery time he steps on the court. It is all about him, not about the team.
The only exuse I can take for him - he has a mind of kindergardener. But no exuses for his agent - he knows what he is doing.
That's why Nate can say whatever he want, but his agent shoud think about what he is talking about.

You can't expect to be taken seriously with a post like this right?

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12/28/2009  10:29 PM
anrst wrote:Talented players are benched every game in the NBA. Only it New York does someone have to be dramatic and in-the-wrong about it.

I agree but I don't think it is a NY thing, I think it is an MDA thing. When this happens with MDA it seems to be his final dealings with the player and it is passed onto to the GM as his problem. Some if not most of the drama has been created by the coach and his inability to communicate to the player and the fans why the benching occurred. A good coach has to be able to work with different personalities and communicate with them. If things are not working out with a talented guy like Nate this should be communicated to the GM so that he can explore moving the guy and getting the most value for him. Maybe it should have been communicated in a strong manner last summer before Nate was re-signed. This isn't the first situation where D'Antoni has drawn a line in the sand and forced Walsh's hand. It appears that he is doing it again with Eddy Curry. If as a coach your keys to success are having a team made up of players having an extremely high talent level, high b-ball IQ, tremendous character, leadership qualities, and a high level of maturity is the success you achieve really about your coaching? Are the Knicks doomed to having to play guys like Jeffries and Duhon because they fit the D'Antoni mode of compliance and professionalism?

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12/28/2009  10:42 PM
McK1 wrote:offer him the buy-out and let him go if he isn't a part of the plans and let him continue his career elsewhere.

why should the knicks do nate any favors when nate hasn't done the team any favors? especially after rewarding him with a bigger contract that they had to this offseason and he's done nothing to show good faith to the team.

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12/28/2009  10:43 PM
buddapaw wrote:
arkrud wrote:
JesseDark wrote:
sebstar wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I don't see this covered in a post yet...

I think the Marburization of Nate continues. The fine may be coming from the NBA and not the Knicks but is a little over the top IMO, especially since it was something his agent said and not him.

does the Marburization of Nate imply that marbury was a good player who the organization made look bad and forced out of town? if that's true for marbury was has no one else signed him?

I think he is trying to draw parallels with the demonetization of the two, but obviously one was clearly more deserving of ire than the other.

This Nate situation is growing absurd. Are the Knicks addicted to drama to the point where they actively seek it out and attempt to provoke? Why isnt there the same dedication to winning?

It seems like we are assured one of these soap operas every year. In almost all cases, these situations are easily avoidable.

That is exactly what I am referring too. We have seen this movie before. This situation is a negative especially when the goal is to lure free agents next year.

Any top FA who has respect for the game of backetball will approve what MDA is doing with Nate.
Nate making a mocery from the game avery time he steps on the court. It is all about him, not about the team.
The only exuse I can take for him - he has a mind of kindergardener. But no exuses for his agent - he knows what he is doing.
That's why Nate can say whatever he want, but his agent shoud think about what he is talking about.

You can't expect to be taken seriously with a post like this right?

I am damn serious.
Ask Lebron or Wade if they want to have Nate on their team dancing and shooting at his own basket while losing?
He will have his a..ss kicked and send away from the team in no time.

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12/28/2009  10:49 PM
arkrud wrote:
buddapaw wrote:
arkrud wrote:
JesseDark wrote:
sebstar wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I don't see this covered in a post yet...

I think the Marburization of Nate continues. The fine may be coming from the NBA and not the Knicks but is a little over the top IMO, especially since it was something his agent said and not him.

does the Marburization of Nate imply that marbury was a good player who the organization made look bad and forced out of town? if that's true for marbury was has no one else signed him?

I think he is trying to draw parallels with the demonetization of the two, but obviously one was clearly more deserving of ire than the other.

This Nate situation is growing absurd. Are the Knicks addicted to drama to the point where they actively seek it out and attempt to provoke? Why isnt there the same dedication to winning?

It seems like we are assured one of these soap operas every year. In almost all cases, these situations are easily avoidable.

That is exactly what I am referring too. We have seen this movie before. This situation is a negative especially when the goal is to lure free agents next year.

Any top FA who has respect for the game of backetball will approve what MDA is doing with Nate.
Nate making a mocery from the game avery time he steps on the court. It is all about him, not about the team.
The only exuse I can take for him - he has a mind of kindergardener. But no exuses for his agent - he knows what he is doing.
That's why Nate can say whatever he want, but his agent shoud think about what he is talking about.

You can't expect to be taken seriously with a post like this right?

I am damn serious.
Ask Lebron or Wade if they want to have Nate on their team dancing and shooting at his own basket while losing?
He will have his a..ss kicked and send away from the team in no time.

Maybe the problem was that he felt he could do that in the situation he was in. I guarantee he wouldn't do it if he played for Phil, Pop, Sloan, Frank, Skiles, or most coaches. Was the problem that Nate's teammates didn't police him enough or that the coach allowed things to go too far and then reacted by shunning him and passing the problem onto the gm? If MDA knew he couldn't coach Nate he needed to communicate this in a strong manner over the summer to Walsh.

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12/28/2009  10:59 PM
anrst wrote:Talented players are benched every game in the NBA. Only it New York does someone have to be dramatic and in-the-wrong about it.

Exactly...Case and point, TMac was sent home for the weekend, Salmons was sent to the bench in Chi, Tinsley was bannished from Indy last year, yet this seems to be the biggest story of them all.....

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12/28/2009  11:01 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
arkrud wrote:
buddapaw wrote:
arkrud wrote:
JesseDark wrote:
sebstar wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I don't see this covered in a post yet...

I think the Marburization of Nate continues. The fine may be coming from the NBA and not the Knicks but is a little over the top IMO, especially since it was something his agent said and not him.

does the Marburization of Nate imply that marbury was a good player who the organization made look bad and forced out of town? if that's true for marbury was has no one else signed him?

I think he is trying to draw parallels with the demonetization of the two, but obviously one was clearly more deserving of ire than the other.

This Nate situation is growing absurd. Are the Knicks addicted to drama to the point where they actively seek it out and attempt to provoke? Why isnt there the same dedication to winning?

It seems like we are assured one of these soap operas every year. In almost all cases, these situations are easily avoidable.

That is exactly what I am referring too. We have seen this movie before. This situation is a negative especially when the goal is to lure free agents next year.

Any top FA who has respect for the game of backetball will approve what MDA is doing with Nate.
Nate making a mocery from the game avery time he steps on the court. It is all about him, not about the team.
The only exuse I can take for him - he has a mind of kindergardener. But no exuses for his agent - he knows what he is doing.
That's why Nate can say whatever he want, but his agent shoud think about what he is talking about.

You can't expect to be taken seriously with a post like this right?

I am damn serious.
Ask Lebron or Wade if they want to have Nate on their team dancing and shooting at his own basket while losing?
He will have his a..ss kicked and send away from the team in no time.

Maybe the problem was that he felt he could do that in the situation he was in. I guarantee he wouldn't do it if he played for Phil, Pop, Sloan, Frank, Skiles, or most coaches. Was the problem that Nate's teammates didn't police him enough or that the coach allowed things to go too far and then reacted by shunning him and passing the problem onto the gm? If MDA knew he couldn't coach Nate he needed to communicate this in a strong manner over the summer to Walsh.

So in your skewed perception of our culture, the Man is to blame for all, right? And Mr. Lowly Working Man Millionaire is a victim?? Give break to me. Is all men we're talking about, not boys, although Nate acts like one.

MDA treats his players the way they should be treated. Is not his fault they are nowhere near that in reality.

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