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12/28/2009  1:31 PM
December 28, 2009 11:32 AM 1 Comment
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By Frank Isola

Jonathan Bender’s return to the NBA after three years of rehabbing his knees has been the feel-good story of the season for the Knicks. But it needs to stop.

Bender should not be playing ahead of Eddy Curry, Nate Robinson, Toney Douglas and Jordan Hill. If Mike D’Antoni is committed to playing an eight-man rotation, Bender should return to the bench and the coach should give Curry or Robinson a chance. If that doesn’t work out, Douglas or Hill gets a chance.

Bender’s presence on the floor gives the Knicks a long range shooter who can spread the floor. But after a quick start - 20 points in his first two games - Bender is 1-for-7 with four points and five turnovers in his last three games, including two Knicks’ losses. In fact, Larry Hughes shot 1-for-6 off the bench in Sunday's loss 95-88 loss to the Spurs while Robinson and Curry sat.

At this stage of Bender’s comeback does anyone really believe that the veteran forward can contribute more than either Curry or Robinson?

D’Antoni admitted that Bender’s first two games surprised the coaching staff before adding, “I think he is back in that rut which we thought he would go through. We just have to battle through it and stay with him.”

Why does Bender get the benefit of the doubt but not Curry and Robinson? The 10 minutes D’Antoni is setting aside each night for Bender would be better spent on his two high-profile bench warmers. This isn’t about improving Curry’s trade value, which would be nice. And this isn’t about throwing Robinson a bone after 12 games spent in the head coach’s doghouse.

This is about giving the Knicks the best chance to win. And right now, Bender isn’t a best option. Curry and Robinson are.

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There had to be reason why the Knicks were so willing to make Robinson available to the media the day after Robinson’s agent, Aaron Goodwin, criticized D’Antoni and told reporters that he asked the Knicks to trade his client.

Robinson owes the organization and the media relations staff a thank you. By making himself available to say that he wants to remain a Knick, ‘Lil Him probably avoided being fined by the NBA, which was investigating whether to penalize Robinson for demanding a trade.

If the league determined that Robinson instructed Goodwin to speak on his behalf, Robinson could have been fined as much as $25,000 which is the penalty Stephen Jackson received last September for publicly demanding a trade

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12/28/2009  1:31 PM
I totally agree with Frank on this one !!
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12/28/2009  1:35 PM
Other than the fact that Nate and Eddy had many, many, many, many, many, many, many chances to get on board with the team and they never did and Bender just got here is playing ok considering his 3 years off, and is willing to fit into the system that Eddy and Nate are fighting, I guess I can understand why Bender is getting more time...
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12/28/2009  1:58 PM
If by the end of the season he can put up similar numbers to what Garnet did his first year (He averaged 10.4 points, 6.3 rebounds and 1.8 assists) then I would declare this a huge win for the Knicks. If he can stay healthy (big??), then he should get minutes off the bench. The guy has that old school throw back hard edged flavor to him. I wouldn't bet against him. This just doesn't seem like the type of guy who would squander a second chance. I give him favorable odds to be a solid contributor on this team.
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12/28/2009  2:08 PM
The Answer Man Uses Reality Checker

Isola - "If Mike D’Antoni is committed to playing an eight-man rotation, Bender should return to the bench and the coach should give Curry or Robinson a chance."

A chance?

The "chance" was to report to training camp with a professional focus on winning.

Episode One

Nate checks into the game to check Tony Parker. Eva Longoria smiles at Nate as he passes celebrity row after a nice shot. Nate smiles back. Unfortunately, the clock is running and the Spurs have the ball. Tony Parker drives for an uncontested layup. Mike D'Antoni runs on the floor and tackles Nate with the ferocity of Ray Lewis. The officials call time while three Knicks assistants attempt to pry D'Antoni off Nate, who is screaming for help. The Spurs go on a 17-3 run and win by 22 points.

Episode Two

Eddy Curry checks in replacing David Lee. Tim Duncan, without any big man help on the perimeter gives a bank shot clinic, draining five mid range shots in a row. Lee, after sitting on the bench, reports back in - goes cold and can't hit the ocean from inside a boat. The Spurs are up by 21 by the time Curry goes back to the bench. and win by 24.

Q. Isola - At this stage of Bender’s comeback does anyone really believe that the veteran forward can contribute more than either Curry or Robinson?

A. Bender already has done more than Curry or Robinson.

How soon people forget. When JB stepped on the floor his first game he ignited a Knicks comeback that led to a win.

A win.

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12/28/2009  2:32 PM
D’Antoni admitted that Bender’s first two games surprised the coaching staff before adding, “I think he is back in that rut which we thought he would go through. We just have to battle through it and stay with him.”

Why does Bender get the benefit of the doubt but not Curry and Robinson?

more BS from MDA's lips... he's so disingenuous sometimes, it annoys the crap outta me... he gives a scrap heap recycling project minutes over his #8 lottery pick & the player we desperately need to unload this offseason & he justifies it by saying we just have to battle through his struggles and stay with him? come on. who the hell is stupid enough to buy this stuff? how bad has Bender looked the past couple games? everytime he puts the ball on the floor he looks like he's about to topple over any minute cuz he's got 2 shot knees... he's a turn over waiting to happen... all he can do is shoot the ball when he's left wide open beyond the arc at this point... when u have him & a no offense playing Fishlips on the floor at the same time it's like playing 3 on 5... neither one is scaring anyone to have the ball passed to them... & Duhon is not exactly a scoring threat either on most nights... it puts so much more pressure on guys like D Lee, Harrington, Gallo, Hughes & Chandler when they're on the floor w/those guys to produce, & when they have an off night like Hughes & Chandler had last night, it means we only have 3 guys on the team that are really giving you much of anything on the offense.

i got no problem w/having Bender on the team but when he's seeing minutes over Curry who we really should be showcasing, or Jordan Hill, who really needs to be seeing minutes, i have a big problem w/it... this needs to stop... MDA needs to stop coaching this team with his own stupid personal agendas & start thinking about what's better for the longterm future of the franchise! dumping Curry or developing Jordan Hill should take precedence over getting Jonathan Bender some playing time.

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12/28/2009  3:11 PM
ya tms... this hill getting dnp-cd's is goofy as poop. unless the kid isnt doing well in practice or is really struggling to pick up things, i dont get it. a team 8 games under 50% cant afford to give its lottery pick some minutes even if its only 10 a game? yet jj can get 30+ min and provide sporadic offense?
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12/28/2009  3:25 PM
I think the guy can really coach, but I'm right there thinking he is full of ****. We have watched selfish play out of Harrington all season long and a lack of defensive focus, players commiting turnovers and shooting the ball poorly he he lets them ride it out.

There is no excuse to give Bender minutes right now. Next season is a different story. I would really like to see a Harrington/Hughes for McGrady swap to open up some minutes for Douglas/Nate.

The team sucks. The East sucks. It's not an accomplishment to win 32 games and make the playoffs. Curry looked ok out there a couple of games. The team just can't make an entry pass which isn't Eddys fault. He was really fighting during the Boston game.

If you are going to play Jefferies 30 minutes a night you need to get minutes for Hill period. Jefferies on certain occasions really makes a nice contribution, but it's way overstated. Mike Breen!

There is a huges disconnect btw coach and general manager. I liken this situation to Marbury. Handle it before the season. Don't resign Nate. Mike didn't have a problem last year when the kid was dropping 20 nightly.

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12/28/2009  3:30 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/28/2009  3:46 PM
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How soon people forget. When JB stepped on the floor his first game he ignited a Knicks comeback that led to a win.

--->A win.


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John Bender has been in the NBA a long time--he's been nothing more than a glorified Jeffries role player. I would NOT play him over a 7 pick who needs a chance Douglas who has shown more in 4-5 games than Bender did in his whole career nate robsinson or even curry for that matter. Lets face it John bender was never a good NBA player. He has never touched the surface of being as good as EC--a role player who was picked 5th and hyped ad nauseum. Skita part deux

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12/28/2009  3:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/28/2009  3:57 PM
Briggs - you comparison of Bender as "The black Skita" is both superficial and lacking of moral fibre. In addition, for you to add that Bender has never touched the surface of being as good as Eddy Curry calls your source materials into serious doubt.

I would counter that such superficial player comparisons are for people who only view athletes as trading cards. If you were to dig a bit deeper and compare the reasons for Bender's retirement - to the reasons for Eddy Curry's sidetracks - you might discover two entirely different personalities/ mindsets/ comebacks - and basketball players.

You are correct about one thing... Jonathan Bender is no Eddy Curry.

Rather than regurgitate the past about where he was selected or how he played with the Pacers as a kid fresh out of high school... I would offer that his post-Katrina maturity as a man makes JBender a much more intriguing prospect at 28 years old. These are not simply stats on a sheet or second hand reports from a bitter beat writer, these are people with individual stories. Forget everything you think you know about basketball - Jonathan Bender, as a person, makes the Knicks better.

You remember the courage demonstrated by the Louisiana-born Willis Reed as he walked through the tunnel for game seven?

Imagine the courage it required for the Picayune, Mississippian Bender to play yesterday without wearing knee support.

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12/28/2009  4:03 PM
BRIGGS wrote:.

How soon people forget. When JB stepped on the floor his first game he ignited a Knicks comeback that led to a win.

--->A win.


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John Bender has been in the NBA a long time--he's been nothing more than a glorified Jeffries role player. I would NOT play him over a 7 pick who needs a chance Douglas who has shown more in 4-5 games than Bender did in his whole career nate robsinson or even curry for that matter. Lets face it John bender was never a good NBA player. He has never touched the surface of being as good as EC--a role player who was picked 5th and hyped ad nauseum. Skita part deux

Thats what I've been saying. He was never good to begin with- now 4 years later after a major injury its hard to expect him to step right in and play a role on a NBA team. Its ok to get him back into game shape and see if he can contribute, but I would not be expecting much if anything from him. And its surprising that he'd be more ready to play than Jordan Hill at this point

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12/28/2009  4:10 PM
VDesai wrote:its surprising that he'd be more ready to play than Jordan Hill at this point

he's not... this has nothing to do w/readiness to play... MDA has his guys he wants to play & that's it... Toney Douglas is ready to play now too & so is Nate but neither of them are seeing any playing time.

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12/28/2009  4:23 PM
Yeah, I find it hard to believe Jordan Hill cannot contribute. In the few times he has played, he has made a positive impact on the team and he really appears to be our best post defender. He should be getting 10 minutes a game. I still think Bender can help, but he should not be getting minutes over Hill.
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12/28/2009  5:59 PM
does any other team debate the ten minutes that the last guy off the bench gets?

Nate's been disappointing as hell. With Duhon's poor play, he had an opening to run this team. You know he has the skills to do it, he just chooses not to. Pretty sad that we've seen him figure it out here at times, but we'll never see him put it all together long term.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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12/28/2009  6:05 PM
joec32033 wrote:Other than the fact that Nate and Eddy had many, many, many, many, many, many, many chances to get on board with the team and they never did and Bender just got here is playing ok considering his 3 years off, and is willing to fit into the system that Eddy and Nate are fighting, I guess I can understand why Bender is getting more time...

what r u talking about?

hasn't even installed any post sets for Curry.

Nate's biggest crime here is giving 's pet Dudee 1 more reason to keep looking over his shoulder.

People here blasted Wilkins for the job he did and he had to start Steph Crawford (1 of the most cancerous backcourts of any ear) along with Tim Thomas and Nazr (which total equaled 4 of the lowest IQ players at their position ever) and still had that team at .500 when he got fired. However gets a pass for some of the most unwatchable basketball ever in NY over the last season and a quarter.

If were black he would've been pig roasted by the media and the fans.

the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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12/28/2009  6:11 PM
A chance? Nate had plenty. So has Eddy.
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Nalod wrote:A chance? Nate had plenty. So has Eddy.

so has Duhon and he still stinks.

so has Al and he is still a black hole.

the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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misterearl wrote:Briggs - you comparison of Bender as "The black Skita" is both superficial and lacking of moral fibre. In addition, for you to add that Bender has never touched the surface of being as good as Eddy Curry calls your source materials into serious doubt.

I would counter that such superficial player comparisons are for people who only view athletes as trading cards. If you were to dig a bit deeper and compare the reasons for Bender's retirement - to the reasons for Eddy Curry's sidetracks - you might discover two entirely different personalities/ mindsets/ comebacks - and basketball players.

You are correct about one thing... Jonathan Bender is no Eddy Curry.

Rather than regurgitate the past about where he was selected or how he played with the Pacers as a kid fresh out of high school... I would offer that his post-Katrina maturity as a man makes JBender a much more intriguing prospect at 28 years old. These are not simply stats on a sheet or second hand reports from a bitter beat writer, these are people with individual stories. Forget everything you think you know about basketball - Jonathan Bender, as a person, makes the Knicks better.

You remember the courage demonstrated by the Louisiana-born Willis Reed as he walked through the tunnel for game seven?

Imagine the courage it required for the Picayune, Mississippian Bender to play yesterday without wearing knee support.

Sounds like a promising book. Now play the youth that we have acquired in the past draft--let them go it's their chance.
Johnathon Bender should prove he can play again starting in Europe or the D league. Bender never avg 20-7 or 17-4-4 he's a small forward who is awkwardly too tall for his own game--that is why he has only put up role player #s his whole career--the only reason he is here is called ego because D walsh and IT picked him 5th.

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12/28/2009  6:33 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/28/2009  6:39 PM
"he's a small forward who is awkwardly too tall for his own game"

Briggs - I'm having a difficult time following your reasoning on this. This Jonathan Bender episode is not about his career with the pacers. It is about Walsh picking up an experienced player that he monitored since he started his comeback regimen. That predates this Summer when Bender was offered the opportunity of training camp. Walsh has years of familiarity with and D'Antoni now has the option to play him at 28 years old. Provided his legs hold up, evidently it is not a question of his skill set.

Forget about assuming levels of ego. They ALL have massive egos. That is one of the traits I have found to be a constant among pro athletes, coaches and executives.

Bender is here because he is a seven footer who knows how to play basketball.

Do you still insist that Bender owns an inferior basketball skill compared to Eddy Curry?

Let's Take A Look


Intelligence - (understanding where he is on the floor)

Intuitive ability - (non-measurables, deflections, set picks)

Interview skills -

Outside shot -

Dribbling skills -

Interior offense -

Rebounding skills -

Defensive skills -

Lateral speed -

Forward speed -

Backpedal -

Intangibles - (leadership, maturity, attitude, restaurant recommendations)

you do the math

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12/28/2009  6:44 PM
misterearl wrote:"he's a small forward who is awkwardly too tall for his own game"

Briggs - I'm having a difficult time following your reasoning on this. This Jonathan Bender episode is not about his career with the pacers. It is about Walsh picking up an experienced player that he monitored since he started his comeback regimen. That predates this Summer when Bender was offered the opportunity of training camp. Walsh has years of familiarity with and D'Antoni now has the option to play him at 28 years old. Provided his legs hold up, evidently it is not a question of his skill set.

Forget about assuming levels of ego. They ALL have massive egos. That is one of the traits I have found to be a constant among pro athletes, coaches and executives.

Bender is here because he is a seven footer who knows how to play basketball.

Do you still insist that Bender owns a lesser quality basketball skill set than Eddy Curry?


Monitored him where? D Walsh was pretty open about not making the decisions in the draft for goodness sakes. I missed where Bender was playing--Europe? or a YMCA by himself in Indiana? I think the team should play it's rookie C/PF and combo guard. We're 11-19 this year--BEHIND the W-L record of last year--time to see what Jordan Hill and Douglas have in consistent expanded roles--egos not withstanding.

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