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TRU
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12/27/2009  1:10 AM
Scrambling to gut a squad for the sake of cap room this off-season doesn't make much sense. What we have (cap room and personel) is enough to entice one of the only two deserving of 15m per: Lebron or Wade.

It's highly unlikely both could be convinced to play anywhere together. We'd be lucky to get either.

We don't trade Jared Jeffries. He's coming off the books soon enough, and no one's taking his contract without a sweetener.

We don't trade Wilson Chandler. How the hell do you replace his youth and talent?

We don't trade Danillo Gallinari, or Jordon Hill, or Tony Douglas.

We play hard, make the playoffs and make the offer to Lebron and Wade that only a city like NY can.

They don't take, it, their losss. We resign DLee and wait for the next off-season.

There is no rush. Let's enjoy the eighth seed for once.

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12/27/2009  4:03 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/27/2009  9:40 AM
I like that idea. Keeping this team as it is and making a strong push for the playoffs would say to Lebron: "We like our team, we have something solid here, and we are a stable franchise". Which is more than can be said for the Cavs who have impulsively attempted to sign a new cast member every year, Shaq the latest and ugliest example. The Cavs who had Boozer bolt on them. The Cavs who have squandered a significant chunk of Lebron's career. I think what you talk about, TRU, could be our best bet.

But I'll tell you this: if we don't keep Mr. David Lee, I be very hurt.

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12/27/2009  10:33 AM
I didn't realize we had the eighth seed locked up. That's awesome.
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12/27/2009  11:06 AM
BasketballJones wrote:I didn't realize we had the eighth seed locked up. That's awesome.

We do.

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12/27/2009  11:13 AM
There are three players out there who essentially play the point from wing positions in Wade, LBJ and Johnson.

That's important because it reduces the need for a Chris Paul type PG. Johnson plays well with Bibby and Crawford, so it stands to reason that we can have one of them play well with a TJ Ford, or even a Tony Douglas.

The extra cap room can be used to resign Lee, or to try and trade for a Rudy Gay type player. Its getting that alpha dog player who can help us down the stretch of games that is key.

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12/27/2009  11:42 AM
I agree more and more with this and realize that we are better off just signing one of these guys, order of preference being lebron, wade, then johnson, bosh, and amare. Johnson may end up being a little more valuable than those two bigs being he is the leader on a top-5 team and although he has talent, doesn't have much more than bosh's raptors. We should sign one of these major wings, resign lee, then just be patient, develop the team as is, and see what's available next summer. If nothing is, the following year we will have an opportunity at Paul or maybe Durant. But at least we will be a very good team that will continue to improve. I am very comfortable for now with a big 3 of either lebron/wade/johnson and gallo and lee.
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12/27/2009  11:44 AM
The article from todays KnicksFanblog on buyouts is pretty interesting. It explains a scenario where Eddy and Jeffries could both be bought out lowering their cap number. I think there is a shot that Jeffries will be traded so there is no rush there. However, if Dolan is willing to buyout Eddy for the max and Eddy is willing to only take 5.5 mil. for his option year the Knicks would be in great shape without having to drastically change the current roster. I hope Walsh has already brought up Curry's buyout to Dolan and that it is being considered right now.
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12/27/2009  11:44 AM
maybe my math is wrong, but there is a second max free agent, just not until 2011. curry and jeffries expiring opens up $17 mil to sign a guy. so it is very realistic to get somebody this offseason promising them a running partner a year down the road. also, if the right move for jeffries came (would OKC trade etan thomas' expiring for jeffries' defensive presence? its not completely impossible thomas doesn't play), i would make it.
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12/27/2009  11:52 AM
Dont think we are going to land either James or Wade. I dont really want Bosh because he is way too soft, but I do think we can pry Carmelo from the Nuggets for some reason and that would be fine by me.
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12/27/2009  11:53 AM
CrushAlot wrote:The article from todays KnicksFanblog on buyouts is pretty interesting. It explains a scenario where Eddy and Jeffries could both be bought out lowering their cap number. I think there is a shot that Jeffries will be traded so there is no rush there. However, if Dolan is willing to buyout Eddy for the max and Eddy is willing to only take 5.5 mil. for his option year the Knicks would be in great shape without having to drastically change the current roster. I hope Walsh has already brought up Curry's buyout to Dolan and that it is being considered right now.

Curry won't take $5.5 mil less than what he's owed... no one's gonna pay him that amount to play for them... the most he'll agree to is $1.9 mil less than what he's owed cuz the veteran's minimum is the most he could possibly hope for... no team is gonna sign him to a multi-year deal at more than that until he can show he can be productive again & stay healthy & motivated for a single season, which at this point is still a huge question mark.

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12/27/2009  12:01 PM
I agree with op in that we dont have to throw money at the first max player available this summer. Joe Johnson and Bosh while great players are not going to change the direction of this franchise. We need to make some smart moves and they all dont have to come this summer.
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12/27/2009  12:05 PM
thejerk wrote:I agree with op in that we dont have to throw money at the first max player available this summer. Joe Johnson and Bosh while great players are not going to change the direction of this franchise. We need to make some smart moves and they all dont have to come this summer.

so basically for u it's either Lebron or nothing this offseason?

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12/27/2009  12:06 PM
thejerk wrote:Dont think we are going to land either James or Wade. I dont really want Bosh because he is way too soft, but I do think we can pry Carmelo from the Nuggets for some reason and that would be fine by me.

not a chance in Hell we can get the Nuggets to trade Melo to us... only way we'll be getting Melo is as a FA in 2011, & that's even if he hasn't worked out a contract extension w/them before that happens.

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12/27/2009  12:08 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/27/2009  12:08 PM
thejerk wrote:I agree with op in that we dont have to throw money at the first max player available this summer. Joe Johnson and Bosh while great players are not going to change the direction of this franchise. We need to make some smart moves and they all dont have to come this summer.

What is your idea of "not going to change the direction of this franchise." While Bosh's impact on TOR may not be the biggest one, Joe Johnson has certainly helped his team change the franchise's direction, with the help of some key guys.

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12/27/2009  12:10 PM
Curry could go and workout for a few teams this summer and I'm sure he'd convince someone that he's worth more than the vet min. I think a lot if his issues comes from our style of play and lack of good post feeders. Not every team has that problem. It's slim but there's a chance that can happen.
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12/27/2009  12:13 PM
nixluva wrote:Curry could go and workout for a few teams this summer and I'm sure he'd convince someone that he's worth more than the vet min. I think a lot if his issues comes from our style of play and lack of good post feeders. Not every team has that problem. It's slim but there's a chance that can happen.

To be honest, I think Curry's issues come from himself, not from the style of play or its personnel. This falls on nobody but Curry imo. Good players have the ability and desire to adapt to their teams and its style. I just don't think Eddy Curry takes his profession seriously. That is why I cannot stand him one bit.

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12/27/2009  12:14 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/27/2009  12:16 PM
not a chance IMO... if he works out for team's it'll be to show them he's worth a veteran's minimum at all... no way he's gonna get $5.5 mil out of any team, i don't care how good he looks in workouts.
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12/27/2009  1:38 PM
TMS wrote:
thejerk wrote:Dont think we are going to land either James or Wade. I dont really want Bosh because he is way too soft, but I do think we can pry Carmelo from the Nuggets for some reason and that would be fine by me.

not a chance in Hell we can get the Nuggets to trade Melo to us... only way we'll be getting Melo is as a FA in 2011, & that's even if he hasn't worked out a contract extension w/them before that happens.

Yea thats what I meant pick up Melo in 2011.

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12/27/2009  1:46 PM
TMS wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:The article from todays KnicksFanblog on buyouts is pretty interesting. It explains a scenario where Eddy and Jeffries could both be bought out lowering their cap number. I think there is a shot that Jeffries will be traded so there is no rush there. However, if Dolan is willing to buyout Eddy for the max and Eddy is willing to only take 5.5 mil. for his option year the Knicks would be in great shape without having to drastically change the current roster. I hope Walsh has already brought up Curry's buyout to Dolan and that it is being considered right now.

Curry won't take $5.5 mil less than what he's owed... no one's gonna pay him that amount to play for them... the most he'll agree to is $1.9 mil less than what he's owed cuz the veteran's minimum is the most he could possibly hope for... no team is gonna sign him to a multi-year deal at more than that until he can show he can be productive again & stay healthy & motivated for a single season, which at this point is still a huge question mark.


As far as i'm concerned, curry can either take whatever the Knicks give him to leave or STFU. If he doesn't want to eat some money to get out of the current situation, then he should be happy on the bench collecting his paycheck.
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12/27/2009  1:52 PM
TMS wrote:
thejerk wrote:I agree with op in that we dont have to throw money at the first max player available this summer. Joe Johnson and Bosh while great players are not going to change the direction of this franchise. We need to make some smart moves and they all dont have to come this summer.

so basically for u it's either Lebron or nothing this offseason?

We are not getting LeBron guys.

Wade aint leaving Miami either, we might have a shot at Bosh and Carmelo being that they play on teams that are in the middle of nowhere.

Johnson is good but he is not the answer, his career average is like 20 a game and you can find two guards like that for less than a max contract.

We need a star and if we cant pick one up this summer we should wait for one.

After saying all of this, I would still be very happy if this summer comes around and we get both Johnson and Bosh which would definitely be an upgrade from what we have currently as well as what we traded away last year (ZBO and Craw), but will it be enough?

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