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nyballer
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12/23/2009  8:35 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/091223&sportCat=nba
New York Knicks (group A)

2009-10 payroll: $83.1 million
Projected 2010-11 payroll: $27.3 million

• The VP's Take: They need to clear $18 million of Eddy Curry/Jared Jeffries contracts before next summer's LeBron Sweepstakes, either by trade or by spiking their Gatorade with heroin. The second move would be a criminal act; the first move could only happen if they threw their past two lottery picks (Danilo Gallinari AND Jordan Hill) into the trade (or trades). They need to carve out $45-48 million in cap space so they can lure LeBron, Bosh and either Wade or Joe Johnson as The Ultimate Big Three. Everything else will take care of itself.

• Mitigating Factor: Knicks GM Donnie Walsh has been offering Al Harrington around for ECs (expiring contracts), then insisting the other team takes Curry or Jeffries, as well. Gee, thanks, Donnie! Really, you're throwing one of them in for me free of charge? How nice of you! He's the annoying guy in your fantasy league whose e-mails you finally just start deleting. Donnie, you need to get a little more realistic. And soon.

• The VP's Verdict: Trade! Trade! I am thinking something like this …

Fake Trade 1a: Gallinari, Curry and $3 million to Minnesota for the Mark Blount/Brian Cardinal ECs. Basically, Minnesota would be paying $10 million next year to get Gallinari for 2011, 2012 and 2013. Total financial commitment: $23 million. Isn't a lottery pick and potential 50-40-90 percentage guy worth $23 million over three years (just $9 million for the last two), especially for a team stupidly playing the "we're waiting for Ricky Rubio, so tuck yourself in and enjoy three years of losing and misery!" card? Of course.

Fake Trade No. 1b: Jeffries, Hill and $3 million to Sacramento for Kenny Thomas' EC. Same principle, less money: You just bought a lottery pick for the price of Jeffries' 2010-11 contract ($6.5 million, and by the way, he's a valuable defender). The same offer could work for the Nets (Bobby Simmons), Zombie Sonics (Etan Thomas) and Blazers (Steve Blake/Travis Outlaw). Someone will bite.

Back to the Knicks: Scott Layden and Isiah Thomas did so much damage to that franchise that, really, there's a certain symmetry in them emerging from the 2000s without keeping a single lottery pick thanks to the aforementioned two trades. But if they cleared the decks completely, couldn't they seduce LeBron with the offer of building his own franchise from scratch in America's biggest city -- the metropolis where basketball matters the most, in a market he could potentially own like no New York athlete since Namath, in one of the two cities that would allow him to pursue all the non-basketball things he wants to pursue -- and put himself on the map for eternity as the guy who saved basketball in New York City? Anyone can win a title. Not anyone can own New York for a few years.

Look, I change my mind on this topic almost every month. I have no idea how it will play out. None. I just know the Knicks have a chance to offer LeBron James something that nobody else has ever been offered in sports history: A blank canvas and unlimited resources for a potential top-10 player of all time who is just hitting his prime to build his own All-Star team. It's unprecedented. If Gallinari and Hill have to be sacrificed to make it happen, you do it. You don't even think twice.

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12/23/2009  8:42 PM
wow. Dude is making a lot of sense.
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12/23/2009  8:46 PM
Simmons is sniffing glue. Gallo's supposed to play PF next to Lebron next year. Lebron drives to the basket, gets triple teamed kicks it out to Gallo for the 3 and the win! or was that Bender he passed to? LOL
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12/23/2009  8:59 PM
hold on to Gallo, he's a keeper & would be a perfect fit next to Lebron.
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12/23/2009  9:21 PM
nyballer wrote:http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/091223&sportCat=nba
New York Knicks (group A)

2009-10 payroll: $83.1 million
Projected 2010-11 payroll: $27.3 million

• The VP's Take: They need to clear $18 million of Eddy Curry/Jared Jeffries contracts before next summer's LeBron Sweepstakes, either by trade or by spiking their Gatorade with heroin. The second move would be a criminal act; the first move could only happen if they threw their past two lottery picks (Danilo Gallinari AND Jordan Hill) into the trade (or trades). They need to carve out $45-48 million in cap space so they can lure LeBron, Bosh and either Wade or Joe Johnson as The Ultimate Big Three. Everything else will take care of itself.

• Mitigating Factor: Knicks GM Donnie Walsh has been offering Al Harrington around for ECs (expiring contracts), then insisting the other team takes Curry or Jeffries, as well. Gee, thanks, Donnie! Really, you're throwing one of them in for me free of charge? How nice of you! He's the annoying guy in your fantasy league whose e-mails you finally just start deleting. Donnie, you need to get a little more realistic. And soon.

• The VP's Verdict: Trade! Trade! I am thinking something like this …

Fake Trade 1a: Gallinari, Curry and $3 million to Minnesota for the Mark Blount/Brian Cardinal ECs. Basically, Minnesota would be paying $10 million next year to get Gallinari for 2011, 2012 and 2013. Total financial commitment: $23 million. Isn't a lottery pick and potential 50-40-90 percentage guy worth $23 million over three years (just $9 million for the last two), especially for a team stupidly playing the "we're waiting for Ricky Rubio, so tuck yourself in and enjoy three years of losing and misery!" card? Of course.

Fake Trade No. 1b: Jeffries, Hill and $3 million to Sacramento for Kenny Thomas' EC. Same principle, less money: You just bought a lottery pick for the price of Jeffries' 2010-11 contract ($6.5 million, and by the way, he's a valuable defender). The same offer could work for the Nets (Bobby Simmons), Zombie Sonics (Etan Thomas) and Blazers (Steve Blake/Travis Outlaw). Someone will bite.

Back to the Knicks: Scott Layden and Isiah Thomas did so much damage to that franchise that, really, there's a certain symmetry in them emerging from the 2000s without keeping a single lottery pick thanks to the aforementioned two trades. But if they cleared the decks completely, couldn't they seduce LeBron with the offer of building his own franchise from scratch in America's biggest city -- the metropolis where basketball matters the most, in a market he could potentially own like no New York athlete since Namath, in one of the two cities that would allow him to pursue all the non-basketball things he wants to pursue -- and put himself on the map for eternity as the guy who saved basketball in New York City? Anyone can win a title. Not anyone can own New York for a few years.

Look, I change my mind on this topic almost every month. I have no idea how it will play out. None. I just know the Knicks have a chance to offer LeBron James something that nobody else has ever been offered in sports history: A blank canvas and unlimited resources for a potential top-10 player of all time who is just hitting his prime to build his own All-Star team. It's unprecedented. If Gallinari and Hill have to be sacrificed to make it happen, you do it. You don't even think twice.

LOL

Nice idea but we know Walsh isn't trading Gallo or Hill just to get rid of Curry or Jefferies.

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12/23/2009  10:10 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
nyballer wrote:http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/091223&sportCat=nba
New York Knicks (group A)

2009-10 payroll: $83.1 million
Projected 2010-11 payroll: $27.3 million

• The VP's Take: They need to clear $18 million of Eddy Curry/Jared Jeffries contracts before next summer's LeBron Sweepstakes, either by trade or by spiking their Gatorade with heroin. The second move would be a criminal act; the first move could only happen if they threw their past two lottery picks (Danilo Gallinari AND Jordan Hill) into the trade (or trades). They need to carve out $45-48 million in cap space so they can lure LeBron, Bosh and either Wade or Joe Johnson as The Ultimate Big Three. Everything else will take care of itself.

• Mitigating Factor: Knicks GM Donnie Walsh has been offering Al Harrington around for ECs (expiring contracts), then insisting the other team takes Curry or Jeffries, as well. Gee, thanks, Donnie! Really, you're throwing one of them in for me free of charge? How nice of you! He's the annoying guy in your fantasy league whose e-mails you finally just start deleting. Donnie, you need to get a little more realistic. And soon.

• The VP's Verdict: Trade! Trade! I am thinking something like this …

Fake Trade 1a: Gallinari, Curry and $3 million to Minnesota for the Mark Blount/Brian Cardinal ECs. Basically, Minnesota would be paying $10 million next year to get Gallinari for 2011, 2012 and 2013. Total financial commitment: $23 million. Isn't a lottery pick and potential 50-40-90 percentage guy worth $23 million over three years (just $9 million for the last two), especially for a team stupidly playing the "we're waiting for Ricky Rubio, so tuck yourself in and enjoy three years of losing and misery!" card? Of course.

Fake Trade No. 1b: Jeffries, Hill and $3 million to Sacramento for Kenny Thomas' EC. Same principle, less money: You just bought a lottery pick for the price of Jeffries' 2010-11 contract ($6.5 million, and by the way, he's a valuable defender). The same offer could work for the Nets (Bobby Simmons), Zombie Sonics (Etan Thomas) and Blazers (Steve Blake/Travis Outlaw). Someone will bite.

Back to the Knicks: Scott Layden and Isiah Thomas did so much damage to that franchise that, really, there's a certain symmetry in them emerging from the 2000s without keeping a single lottery pick thanks to the aforementioned two trades. But if they cleared the decks completely, couldn't they seduce LeBron with the offer of building his own franchise from scratch in America's biggest city -- the metropolis where basketball matters the most, in a market he could potentially own like no New York athlete since Namath, in one of the two cities that would allow him to pursue all the non-basketball things he wants to pursue -- and put himself on the map for eternity as the guy who saved basketball in New York City? Anyone can win a title. Not anyone can own New York for a few years.

Look, I change my mind on this topic almost every month. I have no idea how it will play out. None. I just know the Knicks have a chance to offer LeBron James something that nobody else has ever been offered in sports history: A blank canvas and unlimited resources for a potential top-10 player of all time who is just hitting his prime to build his own All-Star team. It's unprecedented. If Gallinari and Hill have to be sacrificed to make it happen, you do it. You don't even think twice.

LOL

Nice idea but we know Walsh isn't trading Gallo or Hill just to get rid of Curry or Jefferies.

Walsh never rushing (LOL..., to say the least).
Why he will lose his head about 18 mils coming of the books in 2011; the year when we are planning to get the final touch to the team he is building?
Just to give the beat writers another big-3 hype? I don't think it worth it and plus it is not happening regardless.

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12/23/2009  10:15 PM
IF Curry wants to play, couldn't he opt out after this year? It would be a miracle, but if I'm him, do I really spend another year riding the bench?
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12/23/2009  10:22 PM
Keep Gallo and keep Curry or lose Gallo and gain cap room. Im down for some cap room. Trade for Matt Bonner if you want Gallo production.
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12/23/2009  10:29 PM
Cookdcokehop wrote:Keep Gallo and keep Curry or lose Gallo and gain cap room. Im down for some cap room. Trade for Matt Bonner if you want Gallo production.

Matt Bonner who???

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12/23/2009  10:31 PM
Rookie wrote:IF Curry wants to play, couldn't he opt out after this year? It would be a miracle, but if I'm him, do I really spend another year riding the bench?

easy $$$ for curry. he leaves this contract, he isnt getting another so big at this point. why leave certain $$$ for less?

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12/23/2009  10:51 PM
So this guy is proposing the all out cluster starphuck, which probably has a 50-60% chance of success, but balancing the bench and having enough money to floor a team would be interesting challenges.
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12/23/2009  10:52 PM
Gallo is the first prospect we've had in years that looks like a keeper. cant trade him away unless we are getting an established impact player with a chance to stick with this team longterm. id sooner use Hill to dump a contract than him if i absolutely had to.
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12/23/2009  10:58 PM
Simmons is underestimating Walsh, the value of Harrington and to a lesser extent the value of Jeffries.
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12/23/2009  11:15 PM
sidsanders wrote:
Rookie wrote:IF Curry wants to play, couldn't he opt out after this year? It would be a miracle, but if I'm him, do I really spend another year riding the bench?

easy $$$ for curry. he leaves this contract, he isnt getting another so big at this point. why leave certain $$$ for less?

He would be lucky to get the league minimum with incentives at this point, but two years on the bench is a long time to not play. Crazy, but if the guy wants to play, he needs to opt out of become the new Jerome

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12/23/2009  11:19 PM
TMS wrote:Gallo is the first prospect we've had in years that looks like a keeper. cant trade him away unless we are getting an established impact player with a chance to stick with this team longterm. id sooner use Hill to dump a contract than him if i absolutely had to.

Which is why I think we should only trade him for someone like Bosh. Use hill for the salary dump and no I don't really feel ver good about that either but you ca't have evrything. But I don't see how we can unload boh Curry and Jeffries w/o surrendering Gallo. I think the popular option is to get rid of one of them in trade turn tha into Bosh and the get Lebron to sign. When the other one is off the books in 2011 we start setting up bait for CP3.

Trying to do it all at once means losing Gallo and also means taking a chance that we will ge all there superstars to sign here. Lebron James is arguably the best player in bball right now but he isn't god.

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12/23/2009  11:29 PM
I think his first trade idea is ludicrous. I wouldn't trade Gallo right now. He's on a rookie contract still (and will be for several more years) and he has the perfect all-around skills to complement a superstar. The second one actually makes sense. Losing Jeffries this year would have a big impact on our record this season, but really what does that matter?
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12/24/2009  12:30 AM
I think curry and jj will have value this off seaon as an expiring contract anyway. There's a couple of very decent players that will be FA in 2k11, mainly Melo and C Pual. I don't belive walsh will make any real drastic moves to cut salary alone, i think he learned his lesson last season with Z and jamal. The team is starting to play better, and obviously MDA belives this team is good enough to make the playoffs as is.

They are not in tank mode as some may suspect, and thats evident from the tight rotation and the signing of bender. Clearly mike feels that Curry will take a while to get it together and is not much of a versitle player, which has been key in mikes system on both ends.

JJ keeps playing the way he does, his value rises along with his soon to be expiring contract. Whats the rush ?

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12/24/2009  1:11 AM
Simmons hasn't been good for 2 years now.
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12/24/2009  9:24 AM
i stopped reading simmons a while ago b/c he's basically boring...but his idea is correct. don't half ass it...go all in. if the knicks can make those moves, they should.
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12/24/2009  4:28 PM
why he so concerned 'bout the knicks and Isiah all the damn time?
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