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12/23/2009  5:51 AM
Man this article makes me rage. http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AtNKHb2JgaU9cXqOeamHvKa8vLYF?slug=aw-dantoniknicks122209&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

NEW YORK – In the lowest of the losing, Mike D’Antoni delivered history lessons to the New York Knicks. Only the Knicks coach wasn’t pitching the past of Madison Square Garden, Red Holzman and Clyde Frazier and Willis Reed, but a self-proclaimed genius born of the desert sun. Before his players, sources say, D’Antoni had started down the don’t-you-know-who-I-am route and recited his résumé of 60-victory seasons and scoring records and revolutionary basketball.

He let it be known, too, that the non-believers among them should feel free to march into Donnie Walsh’s office and demand his dismissal. More than one Knick privately laughed that they didn’t know there was an “I” in coach.

D’Antoni can call the bluff of his boss today, but he’d better be careful tomorrow. The Knicks are a mess, and league friends of D’Antoni believe he has deep regret for passing on Chicago for New York. He let his ego and agent push him out of Phoenix, and let his desire for money over winning pass on Chicago. Make no mistake, though: That was two months ago and this is now. New York has a Garden winning streak of six games, and New York isn’t on his case for the holidays.

For the first time, D’Antoni has modest contentment in New York. After a terrific meeting with Bulls owner Jerry Reinsdorf in the spring of 2003, a promise that he would give the Bulls 24 hours to formulate an offer, D’Antoni took the money and ran to the New York Knicks. They had a worse roster, the worse salary cap situation and, of course, the most money to pay him.

Looking back, the Bulls made the cheapest possible hire, Vinny Del Negro. He had never coached as a front-office executive for the Suns, but league sources say D’Antoni considered him as one more undermining force within the organization. Of course, D’Antoni thought everyone was out to get him in the desert. Seven seconds or less wasn’t just an offense, but how rapidly he could turn something innocuous into a conspiracy.

Less than two years later, Del Negro has a playoff appearance, an epic seven-game playoff loss to the Boston Celtics and the most tenuous coaching status in the NBA. D’Antoni could’ve had his precious point guard, Derrick Rose(notes), but he chased the money and mirage of LeBron James(notes) to New York. Mostly, D’Antoni made two terrible mistakes: never trying to work things out with Steve Kerr in Phoenix and never letting Reinsdorf make him a competitive offer.

I'm usually amenable to what Adrian has to say but this article feels like a complete slap in the face to our coach and then to NY as well. Who is Adrian to say what is going on in the mind of , and why blame him for going to the place where he was most sought after and most welcomed. He even has his own show on MSG for Chrissakes. What were the Bulls going to give him, half the money and a prayer that they might win the lottery and get Derrick Rose? And Phoenix practically pulled the welcome mat from out under his feet after delivering winning season upon winning season.

Hell yeah I'd toot my own horn to these loser Knicks if I'm Mike freaking -2 WCF, gold medalist - D'antoni and show them what winning is about. What the point of hiring a winning coach if he has to play down to the level of the culture in the locker room. He is a leader, that's what a good coach is. If you want to look at what a good coach isn't see Negro, Vinny Del mailing in games. I can't remember the last time I saw a coach do so little with the talent he had, and it's a backhanded compliment to say that D'antoni in Chicago would have created a winner while Negro is floundering. Hell freaking yeah to Pringles, I want him around for as long as he's willing to coach winning basketball.

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12/23/2009  8:12 AM
I do think MDA has a massive ego, and that probably caused a departure in Pho which he regrets on many levels. Its quite warm there this time of year

ALL good coaches are ego maniacs and control freaks. Show me one that isnt... the closest I can think of are Doc Rivers and Flip Saunders, both of whom have been run out of town in jobs they did very well in.

Its funny timing, because Del Negro has been awful and MDA is clearly showing he can make adjustments and has the Knicks looking like a real NBA team

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12/23/2009  8:21 AM
I saw "Negro" and thought this post was going to be about some racist ****.
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12/23/2009  8:59 AM
TRU wrote:I saw "Negro" and thought this post was going to be about some racist ****.

i did too!

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12/23/2009  9:00 AM
I thought It was about MDA talking about what it was like to grow up poor and black!
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12/23/2009  9:06 AM
Sadly, Del Negro is a sacrificial lamb because Chicago was already set on making a run at a Bosh or Wade before he was hired. Hinrich is as good as gone too.

Neither coach was put in the position to win this year anyway.

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12/23/2009  9:09 AM
fishmike wrote:I do think MDA has a massive ego, and that probably caused a departure in Pho which he regrets on many levels. Its quite warm there this time of year

ALL good coaches are ego maniacs and control freaks. Show me one that isnt... the closest I can think of are Doc Rivers and Flip Saunders, both of whom have been run out of town in jobs they did very well in.

Its funny timing, because Del Negro has been awful and MDA is clearly showing he can make adjustments and has the Knicks looking like a real NBA team

This is the most promising development at this point in the season, along with the fact that he has everyone playing defense, something he allegedly had no idea about as a coach.

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12/23/2009  9:17 AM
Any coincidence that the "DeNating" and a winning record come hand in hand? Problem is Duhon can't play every minute but the vision they have for him and the team is starting to gel. I read they might buy out Nate if they can't trade him. That allows him to play somewhere. He'll come back and light it up in the garden in his comic book mind as "Krypto-Nate gets revenge".

Knicks are getting leads in games. This is big. Keeping it without a solid inside go to guy is tough but I'd rather blow leads than never have one at all.

I don't have a problem with MDA stepping up and doing the "Do you know who the phuck I am?" in a young lockerroom without leadership. IM sure MDA is tired of no one sitting on nate and his distractions while not terrible in a winning atmosphere wears thin when your losing. Nobody should be clowning around when losing. No good teams is jovial when losing.

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12/23/2009  9:20 AM
Paladin55 wrote:
fishmike wrote:I do think MDA has a massive ego, and that probably caused a departure in Pho which he regrets on many levels. Its quite warm there this time of year

ALL good coaches are ego maniacs and control freaks. Show me one that isnt... the closest I can think of are Doc Rivers and Flip Saunders, both of whom have been run out of town in jobs they did very well in.

Its funny timing, because Del Negro has been awful and MDA is clearly showing he can make adjustments and has the Knicks looking like a real NBA team

This is the most promising development at this point in the season, along with the fact that he has everyone playing defense, something he allegedly had no idea about as a coach.

I think some are getting carried away with our supposed "defense" when it is really some of the teams we beat have issues generating offense. Charlotte, New Jersey, New Orleans, and 7 man Portland team went through lots of scoring droughts because they weren't hitting wide open jumpers. This is no different than previous years where teams would play zone and we'd have Crawford, Richardson, and Jefferies trying to shoot teams out of the zone. We lose to teams that can match our offensive output and actually play some defense.

Our wins are based on hitting jumpers and we have been. We are also getting production from Duhon as well.

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12/23/2009  9:42 AM
AnubisADL wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:
fishmike wrote:I do think MDA has a massive ego, and that probably caused a departure in Pho which he regrets on many levels. Its quite warm there this time of year

ALL good coaches are ego maniacs and control freaks. Show me one that isnt... the closest I can think of are Doc Rivers and Flip Saunders, both of whom have been run out of town in jobs they did very well in.

Its funny timing, because Del Negro has been awful and MDA is clearly showing he can make adjustments and has the Knicks looking like a real NBA team

This is the most promising development at this point in the season, along with the fact that he has everyone playing defense, something he allegedly had no idea about as a coach.

I think some are getting carried away with our supposed "defense" when it is really some of the teams we beat have issues generating offense. Charlotte, New Jersey, New Orleans, and 7 man Portland team went through lots of scoring droughts because they weren't hitting wide open jumpers. This is no different than previous years where teams would play zone and we'd have Crawford, Richardson, and Jefferies trying to shoot teams out of the zone. We lose to teams that can match our offensive output and actually play some defense.

Our wins are based on hitting jumpers and we have been. We are also getting production from Duhon as well.

defense is no different from his offense - it is just a lot of movment and energy. Going into the passing lane, having players who can swithc and guard multple positions, mobile zone. Mike have something going to establich his own defensive style. Interesting to see if this will work against better teams... Then we will have something new...

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12/23/2009  9:49 AM
Have you been watching the same games, Anubis? The Knicks are certainly playing MUCH more defense during these wins. Look at the quicker switching, the more active hands (i.e., generating turnovers), the blocks, the anticipation, the stepping into passing lanes to steal the rock, and the reduced offensive bounds of our opponents. Lee is getting more help down low and that has limited the effectiveness of the slashing guards, notwithstanding Rose last night (not much you can do to stop a guy like that).

I almost think the boys are into playing defense now. And it shows. They have a swagger that isn't based on just hitting their shots. Hell, they were hitting their shots during our losing stretches in some games as well. No, the swagger comes from winning, and that comes from confidence, and that is hugely inflated by a successful defense.

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12/23/2009  9:57 AM
NEW YORK – In the lowest of the losing, Mike D’Antoni delivered history lessons to the New York Knicks. Only the Knicks coach wasn’t pitching the past of Madison Square Garden, Red Holzman and Clyde Frazier and Willis Reed, but a self-proclaimed genius born of the desert sun. Before his players, sources say, D’Antoni had started down the don’t-you-know-who-I-am route and recited his résumé of 60-victory seasons and scoring records and revolutionary basketball.
He let it be known, too, that the non-believers among them should feel free to march into Donnie Walsh’s office and demand his dismissal. More than one Knick privately laughed that they didn’t know there was an “I” in coach.

I wonder who the sources are? The combination of rigidity and ego when you are not being successful is not good. It is good that he has made some adjustments.

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12/23/2009  10:13 AM
Moonangie wrote:Have you been watching the same games, Anubis? The Knicks are certainly playing MUCH more defense during these wins. Look at the quicker switching, the more active hands (i.e., generating turnovers), the blocks, the anticipation, the stepping into passing lanes to steal the rock, and the reduced offensive bounds of our opponents. Lee is getting more help down low and that has limited the effectiveness of the slashing guards, notwithstanding Rose last night (not much you can do to stop a guy like that).

I almost think the boys are into playing defense now. And it shows. They have a swagger that isn't based on just hitting their shots. Hell, they were hitting their shots during our losing stretches in some games as well. No, the swagger comes from winning, and that comes from confidence, and that is hugely inflated by a successful defense.

I'm watching the games were we go up big only to barely win by incompetence of the other team. I'd like to give a special thanks to Al Thorton of the Clippers and Acie Law of the Bobcats.

Our defense is so good that teams take layups to get back into the game. Please don't talk to me about defense when D'Antoni insists on starting Lee the door man at center. Gallo is swatting shots something I haven't seen Lee do ever. The way I see things Gallo will be our starting PF sooner than later.

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12/23/2009  10:14 AM
CrushAlot wrote:NEW YORK – In the lowest of the losing, Mike D’Antoni delivered history lessons to the New York Knicks. Only the Knicks coach wasn’t pitching the past of Madison Square Garden, Red Holzman and Clyde Frazier and Willis Reed, but a self-proclaimed genius born of the desert sun. Before his players, sources say, D’Antoni had started down the don’t-you-know-who-I-am route and recited his résumé of 60-victory seasons and scoring records and revolutionary basketball.
He let it be known, too, that the non-believers among them should feel free to march into Donnie Walsh’s office and demand his dismissal. More than one Knick privately laughed that they didn’t know there was an “I” in coach.

I wonder who the sources are? The combination of rigidity and ego when you are not being successful is not good. It is good that he has made some adjustments.

Probably Nate Robinson. He wants out.

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12/23/2009  10:31 AM
AnubisADL wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:
fishmike wrote:I do think MDA has a massive ego, and that probably caused a departure in Pho which he regrets on many levels. Its quite warm there this time of year

ALL good coaches are ego maniacs and control freaks. Show me one that isnt... the closest I can think of are Doc Rivers and Flip Saunders, both of whom have been run out of town in jobs they did very well in.

Its funny timing, because Del Negro has been awful and MDA is clearly showing he can make adjustments and has the Knicks looking like a real NBA team

This is the most promising development at this point in the season, along with the fact that he has everyone playing defense, something he allegedly had no idea about as a coach.

I think some are getting carried away with our supposed "defense" when it is really some of the teams we beat have issues generating offense. Charlotte, New Jersey, New Orleans, and 7 man Portland team went through lots of scoring droughts because they weren't hitting wide open jumpers. This is no different than previous years where teams would play zone and we'd have Crawford, Richardson, and Jefferies trying to shoot teams out of the zone. We lose to teams that can match our offensive output and actually play some defense.

Our wins are based on hitting jumpers and we have been. We are also getting production from Duhon as well.

totally disagree. Watch the games and tell me this team isnt defending better. Knicks are playing better on defense but most of all they are playing harder.
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12/23/2009  10:36 AM
This article is nonsense. Considering how poorly Chicago has been playing it makes the writer look like a pure idiot. If he had wrote this last year post chicago playoff maybe it would have some leggs but now.

This so called journalist needs to work WITH the drugs. Not against them

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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12/23/2009  10:54 AM
I'd like to add my two cents on the subject of D'Antoni. First regarding the no defense in Phoenix-I believe that the points per possesssion were fairly decent there but they had the ability to score and score quickly giving the the opposition more opportunities to score so that the total points of the opposition would higher and the defense only shows up in the points per possession. Second, he has adjusted to the knicks personnel and it appears that the players have bought into it. Thirds, it has been said he spends little time on defense-well defense is more desire that sheer physical talent-look back to Holzman's knicks-low on the physical ability but high on the intelligence scale and maybe that is what D'Antoni has done-play the bball smart guys. al that I know the knicks have been playing smarter team basketball and coach has been playing the contributors each night.

Does he have his favorites? Of course every coach does. And if one looks at it he gives the guys a chance to play and if they perform they continue to play. Notice the guys who have negative things to say are the ones out of the rotation. Sorry to rant but am sick and tired of the unnamed sources.

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12/23/2009  10:58 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/23/2009  10:59 AM
well I have to disagree with your statements ^about the ones to complain are not playing. N8 never complained...has taken his banishment like a "real man" should. Hill hasn't complained even though Walsh and Mike have both been throwing him under the bus lately. Hell, even Darko took the high road with his benching. Saying he's going back to Europe is not in itself a complaint. Simply a statement of intent.

The players who complained are GONE. Off the roster not sitting on our bench.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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12/23/2009  12:04 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:
fishmike wrote:I do think MDA has a massive ego, and that probably caused a departure in Pho which he regrets on many levels. Its quite warm there this time of year

ALL good coaches are ego maniacs and control freaks. Show me one that isnt... the closest I can think of are Doc Rivers and Flip Saunders, both of whom have been run out of town in jobs they did very well in.

Its funny timing, because Del Negro has been awful and MDA is clearly showing he can make adjustments and has the Knicks looking like a real NBA team

This is the most promising development at this point in the season, along with the fact that he has everyone playing defense, something he allegedly had no idea about as a coach.

I think some are getting carried away with our supposed "defense" when it is really some of the teams we beat have issues generating offense. Charlotte, New Jersey, New Orleans, and 7 man Portland team went through lots of scoring droughts because they weren't hitting wide open jumpers. This is no different than previous years where teams would play zone and we'd have Crawford, Richardson, and Jefferies trying to shoot teams out of the zone. We lose to teams that can match our offensive output and actually play some defense.

Our wins are based on hitting jumpers and we have been. We are also getting production from Duhon as well.

Honestly, if you think that out D has not improved and been a contributing factor to the team's change of fortune, you:

1) Have not watched all the games they have played this year

and/or

2) Have no idea what you are watching when you do watch the games

and/or

3) Have no idea how the team has changed the way it plays D since the beginning of the season

No, we are not going to stop every team we play against, but if you watch this team you know that their effort and success on D is no illusion.

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12/23/2009  12:40 PM
fishmike wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:
fishmike wrote:I do think MDA has a massive ego, and that probably caused a departure in Pho which he regrets on many levels. Its quite warm there this time of year

ALL good coaches are ego maniacs and control freaks. Show me one that isnt... the closest I can think of are Doc Rivers and Flip Saunders, both of whom have been run out of town in jobs they did very well in.

Its funny timing, because Del Negro has been awful and MDA is clearly showing he can make adjustments and has the Knicks looking like a real NBA team

This is the most promising development at this point in the season, along with the fact that he has everyone playing defense, something he allegedly had no idea about as a coach.

I think some are getting carried away with our supposed "defense" when it is really some of the teams we beat have issues generating offense. Charlotte, New Jersey, New Orleans, and 7 man Portland team went through lots of scoring droughts because they weren't hitting wide open jumpers. This is no different than previous years where teams would play zone and we'd have Crawford, Richardson, and Jefferies trying to shoot teams out of the zone. We lose to teams that can match our offensive output and actually play some defense.

Our wins are based on hitting jumpers and we have been. We are also getting production from Duhon as well.

totally disagree. Watch the games and tell me this team isnt defending better. Knicks are playing better on defense but most of all they are playing harder.

The team is playing better defense, trying harder.

But what's been bugging me when watching the games is how easily our defenders switch. I understand switching on hard cuts and picks, but we switch without the offense even trying to get us to switch.

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