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12/22/2009  10:23 PM
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3PM 3PA total %of pts
Orlando Magic 10.5 28.3 102.1 30.85%
New York Knicks 9.7 27.9 102.1 28.50%
Phoenix Suns 9.3 21.9 108.3 25.76%
Milwaukee Bucks 8.2 22 98 25.10%
New Orleans Hornets 7.7 21.8 98.1 23.55%
Houston Rockets 7.6 22.3 101.3 22.51%
Cleveland Cavaliers 7.5 17.7 99.6 22.59%
San Antonio Spurs 7.2 18.4 101.9 21.20%
Dallas Mavericks 6.9 18.9 101.6 20.37%
Boston Celtics 6.8 18.8 101.5 20.10%
Sacramento Kings 6.7 18.4 103.9 19.35%
Toronto Raptors 6.6 18 103.8 19.08%
Atlanta Hawks 6.6 18.4 105.3 18.80%
Portland Trail Blazers 6.5 18.1 96.4 20.23%
Los Angeles Lakers 6.4 19.5 103.3 18.59%
Golden State Warriors 6.4 17.5 106.4 18.05%
Indiana Pacers 6.3 20.3 97.4 19.40%
Philadelphia 76ers 5.9 17.4 97.6 18.14%
Miami Heat 5.7 16.6 97.9 17.47%
Washington Wizards 5.5 17.2 98.8 16.70%
Oklahoma City Thunder 5.1 16.3 97 15.77%
Charlotte Bobcats 4.9 15.9 91.4 16.08%
Los Angeles Clippers 4.9 15.7 95.5 15.39%
Utah Jazz 4.3 12.7 101.2 12.75%
Detroit Pistons 4.2 14.3 93 13.55%
Minnesota Timberwolves 3.7 12.7 94.4 11.76%
Memphis Grizzlies 3.6 11.4 101.7 10.62%
New Jersey Nets 3.6 13.3 89.4 12.08%
Chicago Bulls 3.4 11.4 91.2 11.18%
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12/22/2009  10:28 PM
On another thread we had a conversation about the three point shot and how important it was or wasn't. From stats above teams this year are getting between 11 - 31% of their pts from 3 pts shots. Most of the good teams are getting 20% or more of their pts from 3 pointers.
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12/22/2009  10:38 PM
OldFan wrote:On another thread we had a conversation about the three point shot and how important it was or wasn't. From stats above teams this year are getting between 11 - 31% of their pts from 3 pts shots. Most of the good teams are getting 20% or more of their pts from 3 pointers.

It's a niche part of the game. The best team in the league and NBA champs take 18% of their shots from 3. That means they focus us taking good high quality shots rebounding and defense and use the 3 at times when it's a good shot or too help spread the floor.

Gallo's night is a good example or even a John Starks going way back game 6 Houston---it's fool's gold when you over use the shot. Taking more than 20% will catch up with you when it counts. It's a long season and it's a long shot. In the playoffs you need to make shots play D and rebound and protect the ball. the 3 ball is a niche shot/part of the game.

If Gallo continues his excessive pace from 3 he will drift under 40%

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12/22/2009  10:55 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
OldFan wrote:On another thread we had a conversation about the three point shot and how important it was or wasn't. From stats above teams this year are getting between 11 - 31% of their pts from 3 pts shots. Most of the good teams are getting 20% or more of their pts from 3 pointers.

It's a niche part of the game. The best team in the league and NBA champs take 18% of their shots from 3. That means they focus us taking good high quality shots rebounding and defense and use the 3 at times when it's a good shot or too help spread the floor.

Gallo's night is a good example or even a John Starks going way back game 6 Houston---it's fool's gold when you over use the shot. Taking more than 20% will catch up with you when it counts. It's a long season and it's a long shot. In the playoffs you need to make shots play D and rebound and protect the ball. the 3 ball is a niche shot/part of the game.

If Gallo continues his excessive pace from 3 he will drift under 40%

I hope Gallo does start taking less three pointers also.

I don't like the 3 pt shot very much - never have - but 20% is more then a fringe part of the game.

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12/22/2009  11:03 PM
OldFan wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
OldFan wrote:On another thread we had a conversation about the three point shot and how important it was or wasn't. From stats above teams this year are getting between 11 - 31% of their pts from 3 pts shots. Most of the good teams are getting 20% or more of their pts from 3 pointers.

It's a niche part of the game. The best team in the league and NBA champs take 18% of their shots from 3. That means they focus us taking good high quality shots rebounding and defense and use the 3 at times when it's a good shot or too help spread the floor.

Gallo's night is a good example or even a John Starks going way back game 6 Houston---it's fool's gold when you over use the shot. Taking more than 20% will catch up with you when it counts. It's a long season and it's a long shot. In the playoffs you need to make shots play D and rebound and protect the ball. the 3 ball is a niche shot/part of the game.

If Gallo continues his excessive pace from 3 he will drift under 40%

I hope Gallo does start taking less three pointers also.

I don't like the 3 pt shot very much - never have - but 20% is more then a fringe part of the game.

20% is a small %--I don't know what else to say? Also how many 3 point shots create foul shot opportunities? Very very low. It's a niche part of the game--it can be an important niche but you want to have your main focus on taking good shots protecting the ball playing good defense + rebounding. An open 3 is a good shot if taken by the right players. It's a good shot to help spread the floor and create momentum--after that--if it is used too frequently--well lets go back to when we were losing games by 20 early in the season. We have shot a lower % of them since.

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12/22/2009  11:10 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
OldFan wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
OldFan wrote:On another thread we had a conversation about the three point shot and how important it was or wasn't. From stats above teams this year are getting between 11 - 31% of their pts from 3 pts shots. Most of the good teams are getting 20% or more of their pts from 3 pointers.

It's a niche part of the game. The best team in the league and NBA champs take 18% of their shots from 3. That means they focus us taking good high quality shots rebounding and defense and use the 3 at times when it's a good shot or too help spread the floor.

Gallo's night is a good example or even a John Starks going way back game 6 Houston---it's fool's gold when you over use the shot. Taking more than 20% will catch up with you when it counts. It's a long season and it's a long shot. In the playoffs you need to make shots play D and rebound and protect the ball. the 3 ball is a niche shot/part of the game.

If Gallo continues his excessive pace from 3 he will drift under 40%

I hope Gallo does start taking less three pointers also.

I don't like the 3 pt shot very much - never have - but 20% is more then a fringe part of the game.

20% is a small %--I don't know what else to say? Also how many 3 point shots create foul shot opportunities? Very very low. It's a niche part of the game--it can be an important niche but you want to have your main focus on taking good shots protecting the ball playing good defense + rebounding. An open 3 is a good shot if taken by the right players. It's a good shot to help spread the floor and create momentum--after that--if it is used too frequently--well lets go back to when we were losing games by 20 early in the season. We have shot a lower % of them since.

Well I guess our disagreement is only about what a "Fringe" is. To me 20% is not Fringe and the three point shot is used to spread the floor and set up other parts of a teams offense.

Basically I don't think we're really disagreeing much - I don't want the team jacking up 30 three pointers a game either.

I enjoy your posts you keep this board going and maybe one day I'll get you to admit I was partially right about something

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12/22/2009  11:13 PM
and...

LA 09 6.7 106.9 18.80%
celts 08 7.3 100.6 21.77%
spurs 07 7.3 98.5 22.23%
heat 06 6.1 99.9 18.32%

the last 4 champs

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12/22/2009  11:16 PM
briggs...

the nets and the bulls take the least...

crown jewels of the nba they are...

Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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12/22/2009  11:17 PM
secondly, the knicks take plenty of other shots...

we just take a lot of shots, because we play at a high pace.

PACE is key to understanding averages.

averages are a weak stat when some teams want to have low possessions and others do not.

Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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12/22/2009  11:18 PM
OldFan wrote:and...

LA 09 6.7 106.9 18.80%
celts 08 7.3 100.6 21.77%
spurs 07 7.3 98.5 22.23%
heat 06 6.1 99.9 18.32%

the last 4 champs

have the stats for the previous champs?

btw, who said the knicks were championship material or would be the same from 3 down the road?

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12/22/2009  11:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/22/2009  11:38 PM
PresIke wrote:secondly, the knicks take plenty of other shots...


-->PACE is key to understanding averages.


If you have watched the games--especially since we have gone 8-3 our *pace* has slowed down quite considerably and we have relied on defense to win games.

We have scored more than 100 points only 3 times during the streak of 8-3 and our opponents have scored 100 once.

11 games ago we turned much more deliberate and installed a zone defense which has been the main conduit to the winning streak where we have averaged around 98 points per ball game.

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12/23/2009  12:22 AM
I 100% agree with briggs. I hate the high number of 3's the knicks took earlier this season and I think it's a big part of why we started the year so poorly.
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12/23/2009  12:26 AM
Marv wrote:I 100% agree with briggs. I hate the high number of 3's the knicks took earlier this season and I think it's a big part of why we started the year so poorly.

i think the reason we started out so poorly was cuz Duhon, Nate & Chandler started out so poorly more than anything else.

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12/23/2009  1:08 AM
Why do announcers always say that if a players shot is off in a game, it helps them to find their range by taking FTs?

Why is it so hard to adjust, and if the 3pter isn't falling, to move in and try to drive and to get your shot back on track?

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12/23/2009  7:56 AM
The Knick problem with the 3 pointer is that any and everyone seems to have the green light for shooting them. When Jeffries can pull up for the 3, or Duhon can toss one up, three steps outside of the arc, then we create a less then ideal situation. What ever happened to designated 3 point shooters?
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12/23/2009  9:06 AM
40% from 3 is the same as 60% from 2.

I HATE when our team chucks up 30 3's a game. Its stupid. Chandler, Harrington and Hughes should all be looking to shoot closer to the basket. Duhon usually takes pretty good 3's and Gallo truly has that range.

I say Gallo should bomb away. His range changes the game and forces teams to spread the floor with their defense. He also attacks the basket and shows some versatility. So long as he's not ONLY shooting 3s I say fire away

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12/23/2009  9:22 AM
Gallo has the green light to shoot, but 60% of yoyr shots should not be coming from long range, especially when you have Gallos talent. He relies on it too much, but hes been doing much better attacking yesterday. I did see him drive a whole number of times yesterday so Im not terribly worried.

Fishmike, I agree with you that CHandler, Al and Hugghes cant be putting up so many 3s either. All three of them are very talented midrange and in they they need to do it more.

I also want to see Lee post up a little more. He has every ability to do that.

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12/23/2009  9:39 AM
Our team definitely needs to cut down on the 3s. I would say about 20-22 per game is the most we should take. The team's record improved once we started driving more and stopped settling for the first shot available.
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12/23/2009  10:27 AM
I'd like to point out that the thread OldFan was talking about is the thread in which I, orangeblob, brought up this statistic of "treys as % of total shots".

That aside, Briggs I guess it depends on your definition of niche, but it's really not the way it used to be when you were a youngster. Treys are more and more part of the game and you 're seeing all these tall people (7 footers) shooting threes, and when the old guard is out and the new guard is in, I think we'll see 40-50% of shots as threes, or whatever, and then you have the magic leading the league in % of points from trey, and the Magic are by all accounts a CHAMPIONSHIP CONTENDER this year.

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12/23/2009  10:33 AM
fishmike wrote:40% from 3 is the same as 60% from 2.

how is this so?

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