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technomaster
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Looking at their relative performance for the past two seasons, who's the better player - Lee or Stoudemire? Lee seems to be the better all-around player to me - certainly he's a better passer. His jump shooting has evolved to a whole nother level this year (I almost expect them to be announcing Ewing's name). In spite of taking a ton of jumpers, his FG% remains 55%+. I'd argue that David Lee runs the floor just as well as Stoudemire.

Amare's game may have plateaued. He's never averaged double figure rebounds over the course of a season (though admittedly he's come quite close).

I don't think either player plays particularly note-worthy defense.

David Lee - Mr. Consistent
Amare Stoudemire
Too close to call
Don't care, don't want either
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JCHAN
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12/22/2009  2:16 AM
If we're talking about past production, Amare by a mile. If we're talking about now to the future - Lee, by a mile. Lee has had no injuries and is a beast on the boards. He is needed much more than Amare and should never be put together unless you want the most anemic defense in the league.
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12/22/2009  2:51 AM
Amare has lost a little something due to injury. His defense is just as bad if not worse than David Lee's. Their jumpshots are fairly even. David Lee works harder. Amare still is more advanced with his moves and still can jump higher even after injury, if that even means anything. Yet David might have a better touch around the basket. The guys are probably even as of today.

I agree JChan that past Amare WAS way better. He averaged 25, 9 and 2 blocks a few years ago...could he get there again? Remains to be seen.

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12/22/2009  8:35 AM
Amare is a better player and if you had to choose one or the other straight up for the same money you pick Amare, however, Lee is less injury prone, seems to be still improving where Amare has mostly peeked, and will probably continue to improve late into his prime, and will command less money. These factors make Lee a more attractive piece going into the future.
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12/22/2009  9:39 AM
I would be willing to look into acquiring Stoudemire in FA to play WITH David Lee. I think that we will keep Lee--it would be crazy not to. Instead of creating a void by removing --it would be better to enhance by adding a top line frontcourt player to play with him.
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12/22/2009  9:51 AM
Dont care, dont want either.

Gallo is our PF of the future and Amare or Lee at center is joke.

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12/22/2009  10:19 AM
Amare's defense is nothing like David Lee's surrender defense.
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12/22/2009  10:25 AM
Amare against the Spurs is one of the best players in the league. Now he is just a good big man getting fed by one of the two best passers in all of the sport. David Lee with Steve Nash?

I don't overpay to get Amare. Dirk is the probably the second or third best player in this class.
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12/22/2009  10:52 AM
Tough call actually. No D Lee's only pimple is his defense or lack of it. I would argue that if he played with a player like Nash then he would be averaging 24 pts per game. Dude knows how to get open and can catch anything and finish. If No D Lee ever gets his defense improved then he would be an All-Star.
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12/22/2009  11:19 AM
MS wrote:Amare against the Spurs is one of the best players in the league. Now he is just a good big man getting fed by one of the two best passers in all of the sport. David Lee with Steve Nash?

I don't overpay to get Amare. Dirk is the probably the second or third best player in this class.

that series vs the spurs, I was convinced he was a top 5 player in the league at the time... for real....

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12/22/2009  11:34 AM
Amare... he's just so much stronger he can do things Lee just cant. I think by the end of the year we will be reminded of the injuries of the past and just how good he is when healthy. I think he gets back to that point.
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12/22/2009  12:05 PM
fishmike wrote:Amare... he's just so much stronger he can do things Lee just cant. I think by the end of the year we will be reminded of the injuries of the past and just how good he is when healthy. I think he gets back to that point.

for me Amare is just like Bosh (too many deficiencies for max $). At $17M - which he will demand - is he good enough? And is he that much better than say Lee at $11M + $6M MLE signing?

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12/22/2009  1:00 PM
A better question might be who's worth their contract. Amare is even worth his current contract so, I can't see him as a max2010 guy.

People who compare the two often mention Lee's lack of defense. Amare is not much better (if at all) and Lee is a much better at rebounding. I don't think he has ever averaged a double double much less lead the league.

The biggest think in Lee's favor is (unlike Amare) he knows he's not a max player.

If Amare STILL had the chip on his shoulder he came into the league with (has been missing for a few seasons including this one). I think those knee and eye issues really took a lot away from him. To be honest, If Lee played with Nash I think we'd think he was a max player too

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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12/22/2009  1:28 PM
DurzoBlint wrote:A better question might be who's worth their contract. Amare is even worth his current contract so, I can't see him as a max2010 guy.

People who compare the two often mention Lee's lack of defense. Amare is not much better (if at all) and Lee is a much better at rebounding. I don't think he has ever averaged a double double much less lead the league.

The biggest think in Lee's favor is (unlike Amare) he knows he's not a max player.

If Amare STILL had the chip on his shoulder he came into the league with (has been missing for a few seasons including this one). I think those knee and eye issues really took a lot away from him. To be honest, If Lee played with Nash I think we'd think he was a max player too

i don't think u can assume that at all... half of Duhon's assists go to D Lee as it is... every possession he's looking for D Lee in the P&R & hardly ever looks for his own shot... Nash is a scorer as well as a distributor... he will be dishing out to get more guys involved than just Lee... if u ask me Gallo's the one who will benefit more right now than D Lee if we had Nash instead of Duhon.

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12/22/2009  1:41 PM
Amare does beat DLee in singing:

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/11657/i-thought-the-suns-were-supposed-to-be-in-tune-with-each-other

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12/22/2009  1:50 PM
martin wrote:
fishmike wrote:Amare... he's just so much stronger he can do things Lee just cant. I think by the end of the year we will be reminded of the injuries of the past and just how good he is when healthy. I think he gets back to that point.

for me Amare is just like Bosh (too many deficiencies for max $). At $17M - which he will demand - is he good enough? And is he that much better than say Lee at $11M + $6M MLE signing?

I think he's better than Bosh and I think he will get max money because thats the rate. Like Bosh I would give him the max, but not at the expense of Lee + another player. We can afford close to two max guys, or one max guy + Lee + a higher than MLE type. Basically I am resigning Lee at this point. The only thing changing my tune is if Lebron and his buddy Wade show up and say the only they leave is if we sign them both.

I bring Lee back. Then offer Lebron a max deal. After him Dirk (no chance). After him Wade. After him Amare. After him Bosh. After that? I would get creative. Like offering our 2011 pick for Washington's lottery pick this year and taking Arena's contract back. Maybe give them Chandler. Assuming its not #1 I would say adding a (healthy) Arenas and drafting Dereck Favors would be a good offseason. Lots of options.

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12/22/2009  1:57 PM
WAS ain't giving up their lottery pick & their best player for a 2011 1st rounder that would likely fall out of the lottery & Wilson Chandler... would u?
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12/22/2009  2:28 PM
TMS wrote:WAS ain't giving up their lottery pick & their best player for a 2011 1st rounder that would likely fall out of the lottery & Wilson Chandler... would u?
na... but I might trade down to get rid of my best player. After all that contract is immovable and would free up their roster in a year
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12/22/2009  2:42 PM
fishmike wrote:
TMS wrote:WAS ain't giving up their lottery pick & their best player for a 2011 1st rounder that would likely fall out of the lottery & Wilson Chandler... would u?
na... but I might trade down to get rid of my best player. After all that contract is immovable and would free up their roster in a year

if we were talking about Zach Randolph, i might agree w/u.

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12/22/2009  2:52 PM
Need to be careful when guaging Amare's value -- given he's always played with Nash and in an uptempo system.

Lee's in a similar system but hasn't played with a dynamic guard and great shooters.

I don't mind Lee at center because there really aren't many great centers out there -- I'd like Lee if we could get a really athletic shot blocking PF next to him. Jordan Hill? Tyrus Thomas?
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12/22/2009  3:01 PM
if we sign Camby i'm better w/the idea of extending D Lee, but we would have to get Lebron as well... otherwise i don't see the point.
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