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Where is Vujanic this year?
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technomaster
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12/28/2003  2:26 PM
Does anyone know what team Vujanic is playing for this season? I'm curious how he's doing on a team where he isn't the #1 option.

With the emergence of FW, I'm curious if it's feasible that the Knicks backcourt of the future will include two oversized PGs/undersized SGs...

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12/28/2003  2:29 PM
I forgot the team, but if I recall correctly, it's in Italy.

IMO Milos' rights will be traded. Isaiah wants players that are down and ready to play NOW. He won't tiptoe around that issue like LayDown did.
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12/29/2003  11:00 PM
Skipper Bologna.

A very good team, one of the best in Italy.

Milos is considered the best point in Europe.

He has been playing hurt and limited minutes which has taken down his averages. Its a good team, and no he is not the leading scorer, but not asked to.

He has performed well in the clutch.

I'll send you guys a link which I have at the office. You can sniff around yourselves.

I think that rather than Laydog beg him, he will now have to impress Thomas and if worth while, he will win his pay. If not, we'll hold his rights and he will never play. Shoe on the other foot.

This kid can be special in the NBA, but lets not bank our hopes too high.

I can live with some of laydogs picks and thomas regime mold them into stars.
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12/29/2003  11:04 PM
IMO, Vujanic will be packaged in a trade for the post up player the Knicks need, unless he gives Isiah assurances right now that he will sign after his current season, which seems unlikely given his history.
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12/29/2003  11:18 PM
Trading the rights to Milos is a bad idea. i really think we should check him out first. He has awe'd scouts and NBA players everywhere and will be ready to contribute in about 1 month from what the scouts said last summer.

Milos and Fwill will be an incredible Point tandem. Dont trade him Zeke, trade Eisley but get a coach first.
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12/29/2003  11:20 PM
key word: ASSURANCE. if not whatever kid. begone! you wanna run? we'll be more than glad to save you a slot. if not. begone!
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12/29/2003  11:36 PM
Posted by daddynel:

key word: ASSURANCE. if not whatever kid. begone! you wanna run? we'll be more than glad to save you a slot. if not. begone!

Exactly, Isiah's imposition of an attitude adjustment on the Knicks applies to every facet of business. Layden let Vujanic string him along for too long.
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12/29/2003  11:40 PM
who cares about this stupid euro point gaurd everyone keeps talkin about him so much like hes so nice have any of u even seen this guy play?

hes prolly soft jus like all them euro players last thing we need

if he comes.. and hes nice... great... dont count on it.. stop talkin about him like hes some savior

stupid euros!

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12/30/2003  12:22 AM
First off, you have no idea if it was Milos who strung Layden or it was Layden who told Milos to stay in Europe while he gets the PG situation under control. I think Layden was evil and convinced Milos to sign a contract and "develop his game" in Europe for a little longer. And if I want to think he will be savior, I'm going to say he is savior, dont try and tell me to stop.

Secondly, so what if he is soft? Who exactly on our New York Knicks team epitomizes toughness? H2O, KVH, Eisley, Othella? And for all we know he could be tough. You dont think he deserves a chance? He's going to come over cause he wants to play. He isn't afraid of playing here. He has no reason to. If Slavko Vranes can try and make it in the NBA, I can gaurentee you that Milos can and will to.
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12/30/2003  12:32 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:

First off, you have no idea if it was Milos who strung Layden or it was Layden who told Milos to stay in Europe while he gets the PG situation under control. I think Layden was evil and convinced Milos to sign a contract and "develop his game" in Europe for a little longer. And if I want to think he will be savior, I'm going to say he is savior, dont try and tell me to stop.

Secondly, so what if he is soft? Who exactly on our New York Knicks team epitomizes toughness? H2O, KVH, Eisley, Othella? And for all we know he could be tough. You dont think he deserves a chance? He's going to come over cause he wants to play. He isn't afraid of playing here. He has no reason to. If Slavko Vranes can try and make it in the NBA, I can gaurentee you that Milos can and will to.

What I do know is that it has been reported that Vujanic has wanted assurances that he would get PT with the Knicks, and given the Knicks glut of undertalented, overpaid PGs, before Williams, he rightly saw that PT would be tough to get. In addition, his agent was likely well aware of the Knicks reluctance to play young players. IMO, that equals stringing Layden along until Vujanic gained the leverage to demand PT upon his arrival in NY. Why else would his agent say he would decide during a 10 day window after his current season ends? Does that sound like Layden was in control? It doesn't to me.

I have no comment on whether or not Vujanic is soft, because I have no idea.
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12/30/2003  2:54 AM
Based on scouting reports, Vujanic sounds like he'd make an excellent combo guard off the bench (instant offense). He has pretty good size for a PG and is supposed to have a scorer's mentality.

Thomas probably wouldn't have a huge problem with him, having played in his own mini backcourt in Detroit (with Dumars and the Microwave)...
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12/30/2003  2:58 AM
Well, if someone could make sense of this:

http://www.legabasket.it/player/?id=VUJ-MIL-80&year=2003&team=1060

If I'm right, he's averaging 19.2ppg and 3.1apg...
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12/30/2003  3:14 AM
LayDown wasted too much time kissing that eurotrash Milos' azz (Seems like kissing azz was his specialty LOL) instead of aggressively making the moves to resolve the issue @ the PG spot. We have FWill now. The longer Milos fronts on coming here, the more FWill develops into the PG we needed all along in the first place. Instead of holding on to rights we may not use, Zeke should use all the points brought up in Milos' defense earlier in the thread to help sell the idea of taking him off our hands. To hell with the pie-in-the-sky talk like Milos will save the team. FWill is doing it for us NOW. He will get better. He deserves the shot at running the offense that Milos turned down 2 years straight.
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12/30/2003  4:07 AM
Posted by Elite:

who cares about this stupid euro point gaurd everyone keeps talkin about him so much like hes so nice have any of u even seen this guy play?

hes prolly soft jus like all them euro players last thing we need

if he comes.. and hes nice... great... dont count on it.. stop talkin about him like hes some savior

stupid euros!

usa!!!

O.k. I´m very proud for being a "stupid" euro, and what kind of serbs are soft???? Divac? Drobnjak? c´mon you need some lessons.
I agree with you he wont be a savior `cause our salvation is the defense!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don´t be able to talk about all the american people like you about the europeans but in your case I can say that you must close your mouth about basket ´cause is probed that you haven´t any intelligent idea. People like you or Rudy Tomjanovich (the world loser, even spain beat the U.S.A. in Indianapolis) are a cancer for the basketball.
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12/30/2003  7:25 AM
Man im with you!
Proud to be a euro!!!
Its really funny how people come up with things to make this guy down only because he didnt pack his things instantly to come to the knicks only to be their 4th PG in an totaly unbalanced team and for all that good things to blow some millions in the wind!!!
Hes soft?!? Well here in stupid ol' europe hes not said to be soft!!!
Hes got a great reputation of winning games with his overall skills!!! Hes great offensively and is really in good in penetrateing and dishing!!!

If he can be our saviour... well nobody can say at the moment! But we should be talking talent and not about some stupid broken pride!!!! So please start thinking before you write!!!!!
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12/30/2003  10:43 AM
Milos is a good player and IMO should play for the knicks in the future. I think Zeke will bring him over. I haven't seen him much but I have seen tapes and that was enough. Wait till you guys see his game. He is very very good.
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12/30/2003  12:16 PM

HardCore is showing his tough ignorant opinion that he believes if he talks tough with no substance, its valid.

Or The fact that Laydog had anything to do with it must make it a "Utah" thing.

First off, dollar for dollar, the Jazz do things right. They are economical and get more wins dollar for dollar. In that market with their economics, they beat us silly. In our market with seemingly unlimited cash, we suck.

Thomas has stated 4 people he respects have told him to blow it up and start over, and he is not buying it yet. Some of you should be concerned over this. I take it his statement is to evaluate every asset here and see if it can be tweeked and rebuild on the run. I think Laydog was content to let it take 3 years, but Dolan wants more of sense of urgency. Thats cool, and thats the fire under the players arse these days.

Dolan needed to rid of Laydog and remove the attachments he had on roster moves like anderson and Eisley. Bring in coaches to work with lampe and Sweet. And bring it on faster. NBA is not a developmental league and you can't stack it with many projects. These guys get paid big bucks. Lampe wanted to come there, then he must work even harder. Sweet wants to be a professional player, he must shake his pain and move forward.

Thomas brings a sense of urgency, and the ability to not bank the franchise on Dice.

My posts of days past urged either trade or let Dice walk, build thru youth, and do somthing with Ward NOW! I also wanted spots open to get flexibilty and bring rookies on the roster Those suggestions are hardley being Laydogs boy, is it HardCORE.

and you can accuse me of being in Dolans corner now which is fine. He made a tough choice in firing Laydog mid year and give him some room to buy out FatSpoon. Cutting FatSpoon a 15mil buy out is not easy for any owner.

Of course its a freaking shame this team got to such ignorant levels either by the sword of Dolan, Checketts, Grunfeld and of course Laydog. But As I said then, and now, nothing happens until you change your philosphy. Then you can admit and see what is wrong and begin the process to correct it. As a reminder, I had rooted for Laydog to impliment such a strategy.

Apparently thus far, firing Chaney was not the instant move it appeared.

We are far from being out of the woods on this one, but Trashing Euros as soft is stupid.

In fact, Milos made the right decision faced with the circumstances. And I don't think Laydog was stupid to cave into some heavy demands until Milos proved himself at the highest level in Europ, which he is doing after moving from his former team. With ward leaving this year at some point, it made sense. Milos can opt out this year, but if not, has to stay 2 more. Laydog figured Eisley would be his starter, and this year Frank gets developed, which was happening by the way. Laydog is stubborn and needed to make that move sooner. But The plan should be to have Frank, Milos and Veteran Eisley next year if we can't rid ourselves of Howard. I think Eisley can play better and take away his comfort assurances of playing time, he might either play up or drop down. Milos if does not come has two more years in europe at 2 mil each. if he does not come this year it is most likely he is not NBA quality, and his trade value is lowered. If we trade him now, we don't get good value if he turns out well, but we get a little something if he fails.

We need to take risks, and milos was only a second round pick. This pick was applauded as a good move by many NBA scouts and GM's. We don't want to get fleeced or trade away a future asset to make the playoffs short term.

Drazen, Dirk, Parker, Manno, AK47m, Vlade, Sabonis and other dudes I
can't spell have more than made their mark on this league. Its going global Hardcore, and either you embrace it or sound like all the racist pigs whom resisted integration oh so many years ago. Racism works both ways, and your tones speak loud. Nobody here ever suggested that the knicks, with a black president, a black head coach, and the majority of the squad also black, suck because of race. But its been more than suggested that white Utes of KVH and Doleac,and Laydog were the roots of our problems (Non are morman, KVH from California,Laydog from NYC,) . Even Dolan being a White owner and that P-diddy, Jay-Z or Magic Johnson would be better owners has been suggested. Never a consideration of how the bloated salary structure, depleted revenue streams, and how to service the huge debt ever is mentioned! Details details. Easy to blame the problems, hard to fix them.

Knicks problems have notihng to do with race, or nationality. There was evidently a big riff in management and a GM whom was a bad hire from the get go. Kudos for Dolan for taking a step in the right direction, and kudos for ridding our team of human garbage such as spree!

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12/30/2003  12:47 PM
You are the human garbage, whatever-your-name is.

I stand by what I said. I have embarrassed you more than enough to know that you only want to bait me into another arguement so your pitiful azz feels validated as a human being. Stop riding my sack, idiot. You suck onto every word I say, whereas you are nothing but a peon to me. You even suck on my words in your sig. Get a life.

...a swift and concise response to your lengthy waste of space.

Still too easy.
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12/30/2003  12:51 PM
HardCore is showing his tough ignorant opinion that he believes if he talks tough with no substance, its valid.
Or The fact that Laydog had anything to do with it must make it a "Utah" thing


CLASSIC! thanks Nalod this guys gets nutz and only a few call him out go figure. might be scurred of him yea prolly so
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12/30/2003  1:03 PM
Playa, when are you and your boyfriend Nalod/Nedyal gonna stop with the gay sex? None of us want to see or hear it.

You two make a good couple. You both flip-flop and both try to show your manhood (or is it womanhood? LOL) by turning a basketball discussion into madness. You with your asinine predictions, and him with his pitiful waste of text, space and other postas' time.

I guess I am that important to your lives, huh? LOL If you had nuts then you wouldn't try to make a name for yourselves by getting dissed by me.
Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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