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bernard
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12/12/2009  12:33 PM
Now that we're on a little roll, and players like Jefferies, Chandler, Harrington, Duhon and Lee are all playing up to their potential, should we move some of them? I think now's the time. I don't believe we can sustain this level of play, and, even if we could come close, I think our best case is 7th or 8th seed, early-exit playoff team.

So, I think we've got to move Jefferies and package 1 or 2 of the others to get it done. And this isn't a knock on Jefferies. He's showing that in the right situation, he can be valuable. Just not as valuable as his contract, which will be a real handicap for us come summer time. I'd rather we keep Lee if we can. I'd like to see if he can learn to play defense against 4's and become a complete player. He'll never be able to hold down legit 5's, in my opinion. Too undersized. But he's shown that when he works on his game, he makes real progress.

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12/12/2009  12:36 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/12/2009  12:36 PM
yea, make hay while the sun shine, strike while the iron is hot. all of these are good descriptions. and I agree. we make move NOW! NOW DONNIE!

a lot of members wanted Wilson gone earlier. This is a great time to dish him out!!

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12/12/2009  12:40 PM
wait till early Jan.

Look at the Knicks upcoming schedule and you will see its loaded with winable games. If the Knicks keep this up over the next 20 games or so they will be +.500 around that time. I think thats when you move guys... a little closer to the trading deadline but before the really tough part of the schedule.

I think the goal should be to move JJ+Curry and use Chandler and Hill's deals if needed. Possibly Duhon as well.

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12/12/2009  12:51 PM
fishmike wrote:wait till early Jan.

Look at the Knicks upcoming schedule and you will see its loaded with winable games. If the Knicks keep this up over the next 20 games or so they will be +.500 around that time. I think thats when you move guys... a little closer to the trading deadline but before the really tough part of the schedule.

I think the goal should be to move JJ+Curry and use Chandler and Hill's deals if needed. Possibly Duhon as well.

i agree with you on the goal. who is going to take hill, the guy gets DNP-CD's every night. i think a package with lee is way more realistic. lee has proven he can play in this league and put up double-doubles on a near routine basis, a Lee/Jeffries package to a team for expiring contracts and maybe a draft pick would be a move i'd make, like you said, around MLK day or sometime into january. the knicks should be patient here, there will be injuries to teams frontlines and lee will be a lot more valuable. i think he is by far the most attractive piece the knicks have, and i'd do everything i can to use him to move jeffries and/or curry if i were walsh.

after Lee, I think Harrington and Hughes are the most attractive pieces, depends on the situation though. I don't see the point of trading Harrington or Hughes or Duhon unless we are able to move JJ/Curry or get a nice draft pick back. They are in the last yrs of their contract and are playing well, why force it? Lee makes a ton of sense though, given the impending contract, his level of play/age, etc.

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12/12/2009  1:01 PM
The reality is that no one is taking Curry at this point and who wants to pay Jeffries $6 mil to be a defensive specialist. The only deal I see working right now is Jeffries and Nate to a team that needs frontcourt defense and some offense off of the bench. I think Walsh will look into it, but I am not that eager to trade guys like Hughes, Harrington, or Lee. This team should try to make the playoffs. To me, that is the biggest selling point we can make to a potential max FA.
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12/12/2009  1:32 PM
big... I want to keep Lee. He continues to get better on both ends and I see him as a key piece moving forward. I also think we can sign him much cheaper than Bosh. I would rather have Lee at $9mm and Harrington at $6mm than Bosh for $17mm, especially if we sign Lebron.
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12/12/2009  1:35 PM
Curry's value can never be high because he simply sucks at his job. I've said this all along, he is a disgrace to the sport.
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12/12/2009  1:35 PM
Not only does he suck, but he can't stay healthy. That's the nail in the coffin. :(
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markvmc
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12/12/2009  3:02 PM
fishmike wrote:big... I want to keep Lee. He continues to get better on both ends and I see him as a key piece moving forward. I also think we can sign him much cheaper than Bosh. I would rather have Lee at $9mm and Harrington at $6mm than Bosh for $17mm, especially if we sign Lebron.

If we keep Lee and Harrington at those figures, we can only sign one max fa. I would hope that isn't what we do. I'd be fine keeping one of those guys (or Hughes) at a reasonable figure, but no more than one of them.

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12/12/2009  4:19 PM
markvmc wrote:
fishmike wrote:big... I want to keep Lee. He continues to get better on both ends and I see him as a key piece moving forward. I also think we can sign him much cheaper than Bosh. I would rather have Lee at $9mm and Harrington at $6mm than Bosh for $17mm, especially if we sign Lebron.

If we keep Lee and Harrington at those figures, we can only sign one max fa. I would hope that isn't what we do. I'd be fine keeping one of those guys (or Hughes) at a reasonable figure, but no more than one of them.

depends on who the 2nd max FA is. Lee is playing like an all star, and Harrington is a good versatile player to have. Sure he chucks at times but he's still solid. I would rather have Lebron and Lee/Harington at $9mm and $6mm then Lebron and Bosh at $17mm with no backup or depth.
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12/12/2009  4:34 PM
markvmc wrote:
fishmike wrote:big... I want to keep Lee. He continues to get better on both ends and I see him as a key piece moving forward. I also think we can sign him much cheaper than Bosh. I would rather have Lee at $9mm and Harrington at $6mm than Bosh for $17mm, especially if we sign Lebron.

If we keep Lee and Harrington at those figures, we can only sign one max fa. I would hope that isn't what we do. I'd be fine keeping one of those guys (or Hughes) at a reasonable figure, but no more than one of them.

Of those three I am interested in Hughes the most. He is playing a complete game this season. Lee will be Lee and Al is too inconsistent.

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12/12/2009  5:39 PM
I'd be inclined to go that way too.
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12/12/2009  6:19 PM
the same thing happens every year... this team goes through a good 5 or 6 game stretch & all of a sudden we need to keep the veteran players around cuz we're on the cusp of making a serious run at the playoffs & completely lose sight of the plan we all agreed was the right way to go before the season began.

again, if you're Lebron are you more likely to wanna come play with Lee & Harrington or Chris Bosh? is this even a question? i don't care how well the team is playing right now, if we have a shot at setting up our cap to sign Lebron & Bosh in the offseason we need to take it, case closed... say we used Harrington, Duhon, Hughes or Lee to dump either Curry or Fishlips in a T-Mac trade or something along those lines & traded another for any scrub expirings & future draft pick & let the other guys walk at the end of the season... in 2010 we'd still have Gallo who would complement Lebron & Bosh tremendously well along w/Chandler, Hill & TD along w/either Curry or Fishlips leftover... then u round out the rest of the roster w/veteran's minimum contracts, a 2nd rounder & go from there.

the hardest part is to get those marquee guys here first, then u can worry about building the rest of the pieces as you go... until we get those 2 bigname guys, this team will never be a realistic championship contender... look over most of the championship teams in the past they all have at least 2 big name guys along w/a good supporting cast of role players... u put Lebron & Bosh together w/Gallo, Chandler, Hill & TD & that's a good enough core to contend for the playoffs instantly anyway... then in 2011 u stand to have more cap space available to sign a quality veteran support players to make a realistic run at a title.

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12/12/2009  7:36 PM
if we do stand pat and put up a nice record, we can sign bron with promise that we move for carmelo in 2011 when jj and curry come off the books.

What's wrong with that?

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12/12/2009  7:41 PM
TRU wrote:if we do stand pat and put up a nice record, we can sign bron with promise that we move for carmelo in 2011 when jj and curry come off the books.

What's wrong with that?

I wouldn't be against that. It is preferable to making a rushed deal to ship eddy and JJ out. But what of Lee? That might be factor to watch because his expiring might have to be cashed in before the deadline.

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12/12/2009  7:47 PM
TRU wrote:if we do stand pat and put up a nice record, we can sign bron with promise that we move for carmelo in 2011 when jj and curry come off the books.

What's wrong with that?

Lebron & Melo won't work IMO... Bron needs a bigman sidekick, someone like Bosh, Dirk, Dwight Howard, etc... someone who won't be dominating the ball on the perimeter... Melo is a high volume scorer, it's much more likely to get Bosh here w/the promise we get Melo in 2011, but how do u exactly guarantee someone that's gonna happen? that's collusion & if we get caught for something like that we can face some very hefty discipline from the league

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12/12/2009  7:48 PM
TMS wrote:
TRU wrote:if we do stand pat and put up a nice record, we can sign bron with promise that we move for carmelo in 2011 when jj and curry come off the books.

What's wrong with that?

Lebron & Melo won't work IMO... Bron needs a bigman sidekick, someone like Bosh, Dirk, Dwight Howard, etc... someone who won't be dominating the ball on the perimeter... Melo is a high volume scorer, it's much more likely to get Bosh here w/the promise we get Melo in 2011, but how do u exactly guarantee someone that's gonna happen? that's collusion & if we get caught for something like that we can face some very hefty discipline from the league

It's not collusion if we promise to make a move. And the point isn't whether melo and bron will work, but whether it would be wise to wait and offer lebron a promise for 2011.

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12/12/2009  8:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/12/2009  8:08 PM
orangeblobman wrote:
TMS wrote:
TRU wrote:if we do stand pat and put up a nice record, we can sign bron with promise that we move for carmelo in 2011 when jj and curry come off the books.

What's wrong with that?

Lebron & Melo won't work IMO... Bron needs a bigman sidekick, someone like Bosh, Dirk, Dwight Howard, etc... someone who won't be dominating the ball on the perimeter... Melo is a high volume scorer, it's much more likely to get Bosh here w/the promise we get Melo in 2011, but how do u exactly guarantee someone that's gonna happen? that's collusion & if we get caught for something like that we can face some very hefty discipline from the league

It's not collusion if we promise to make a move. And the point isn't whether melo and bron will work, but whether it would be wise to wait and offer lebron a promise for 2011.

lol... pinky swear that we'll offer Melo a contract, maybe Bosh will come

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12/12/2009  8:14 PM
TMS wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:
TMS wrote:
TRU wrote:if we do stand pat and put up a nice record, we can sign bron with promise that we move for carmelo in 2011 when jj and curry come off the books.

What's wrong with that?

Lebron & Melo won't work IMO... Bron needs a bigman sidekick, someone like Bosh, Dirk, Dwight Howard, etc... someone who won't be dominating the ball on the perimeter... Melo is a high volume scorer, it's much more likely to get Bosh here w/the promise we get Melo in 2011, but how do u exactly guarantee someone that's gonna happen? that's collusion & if we get caught for something like that we can face some very hefty discipline from the league

It's not collusion if we promise to make a move. And the point isn't whether melo and bron will work, but whether it would be wise to wait and offer lebron a promise for 2011.

lol... pinky swear that we'll offer Melo a contract, maybe Bosh will come

hahaha...think he'd go for that, the baby that he is? ;)

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12/12/2009  9:18 PM
Would Lebron be willing to write off a year? Doubt it.
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