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Why Must Knicks Players Be Described As Trade Bait At Every Opportunity?
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misterearl
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12/9/2009  7:11 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/9/2009  7:17 AM
"Harrington and Hughes are in the final year of their contracts, and the Knicks will use their expiring deals to pursue an elite free agent next summer. The main reason Jared Jeffries was promoted to the starting lineup is because the Knicks are hoping to deal him and need to improve his trade value. And Jeffries is going along with the plan. He gives the Knicks energy, defense and a physical presence and is enjoying his best four-game stretch since joining the team four years ago."

- Isola

Sheesh, everyone knows the roster rental scenario. It is rehashed hourly. By the time Spring rolls around we will be sick of it and bound for an inevitable letdown from the hyperbole.

""What, trade bait?" Curry joked with reporters. "I'm going to relish any moment I can to play. Whether they're playing me to trade me or they are playing me to win games it doesn't matter to me. I just want to be out there...although I don't want to be traded."

No one does

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12/9/2009  7:19 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/9/2009  7:22 AM
Because outside of this recent surge, this isn't a proven team. And it's been publicly stated since Donnie's hiring that the goal is 2010, at any cost. So bless the current squad for showing signs of life but it will take more than a few wins in December to justify keeping any of these players (outside of Gallo). If we keep it up, through, let's say, February, March, then we should see this talk die down a bit, or at least expect it to. Which I think the Knicks will do.
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12/9/2009  10:28 AM
orangeblob - as we recognize that Donnie has laid his 2010 plan bare for all the world to see... why must it be repeated daily?

It has absolutely nothing to do with the present. It is redundant and a distraction manufactured to sell newspapers. Eddy Curry this... Jared Jeffries that... how many times can the same line be rehashed?

Here is the Cliff Notes version: There will be somewhere around six players who stay. They will be a mesh of veteran talent and yoots who stay. To rid the team of all its experience is not smart. There will be a free agent signing. Two if the Knicks are fortunate to have some positive mojo. There will be a second round draft pick. There will be a free agent discovered in Summer League.

That's ten.

The next writer who points out this obvious, published, restated plan is banished from the kingdom.

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12/9/2009  10:30 AM
Well then the question becomes 'why does the media (insert here)', and we all know the reason for that. If you're talking about people on the board, well, I think we know for the reason for that too.
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12/9/2009  10:47 AM
This group has played well for a short stretch. They might be able to maintain it as well and make the playoffs and 40ish wins. What then? Whats the ceiling for a Hughes/Harrington/Duhon team?

Hughes and Harrington are playing very good ball and while it would certainly screw up this season (just as the Crawford/Zach trade did) if we could get picks or cheap players back you HAVE to make those trades.

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12/9/2009  11:04 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/9/2009  11:09 AM
fishmike - I am suggesting that the constant speculation over immediately trading away any productive players not only erodes the fragile exercise of team building, it damages the possibility of building potential trust among potential free agents.

Z-Bo is a journeyman with a skill set that looks good on paper. Knowledgeable basketball people excused that deal based on his checkered history. Jamal Crawford has never played in a playoff game. Ditto.

On the other hand, Al Harrington has overstated how much he wants to be in New York. Larry Hughes is playing with an assured confidence that provides a glimpse of what the Cavs saw in him when they acquired him to run with Lebron. Hughes did not sulk when he was out of the rotation. Larry Hughes has also commented recently how he is learning the D'Antoni system and getting comfortable in his role. Do you have a readily available upgrade at shooting guard in mind?

Trading either one, or constantly talking about trading them every day of the year, makes the Knicks franchise (and the New York market) look more callous in the eyes of the fraternity of pro basketballers who text each other all the time.

How does that strengthen the case to sign Bosh, Dirk, Lebron or any of the elite ballers ready to listen to the NYK sales pitch?

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12/9/2009  11:10 AM
misterearl wrote:orangeblob - as we recognize that Donnie has laid his 2010 plan bare for all the world to see... why must it be repeated daily?

The next writer who points out this obvious, published, restated plan is banished from the kingdom.


Because reporters get paid to write stories.
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12/9/2009  11:14 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/9/2009  11:24 AM
Marki - I would rather they get paid to write good stories

Not regurgitate the same tripe every day of the week. What happened to journalism?

If you gave a passionate, relatively intelligent person unrestricted access, and a courtside seat to every game, I guarantee you it would not be so repetitive.

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12/9/2009  11:34 AM
misterearl wrote:Marki - I would rather they get paid to write good stories

Not regurgitate the same tripe every day of the week. What happened to journalism?

If you gave a passionate, relatively intelligent person unrestricted access, and a courtside seat to every game, I guarantee you it would not be so repetitive.

Which is why bloggers are stomping all over old-school newspapers...and they have the nerve to cry foul and seek ways to get their revenue back.

But I don't think it's the writers' fault, not totally anyway. I don't know Marc Berman, for example, but is it too far fetched to assume that at some point in their lives they too were human beings, attending college, as passionate about their profession as anyone else. They themselves have been beaten down, and in that sense I feel bad for that old sap, Berman.

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12/9/2009  11:39 AM
misterearl wrote:fishmike - I am suggesting that the constant speculation over immediately trading away any productive players not only erodes the fragile exercise of team building, it damages the possibility of building potential trust among potential free agents.

Z-Bo is a journeyman with a skill set that looks good on paper. Knowledgeable basketball people excused that deal based on his checkered history. Jamal Crawford has never played in a playoff game. Ditto.

On the other hand, Al Harrington has overstated how much he wants to be in New York. Larry Hughes is playing with an assured confidence that provides a glimpse of what the Cavs saw in him when they acquired him to run with Lebron. Hughes did not sulk when he was out of the rotation. Larry Hughes has also commented recently how he is learning the D'Antoni system and getting comfortable in his role. Do you have a readily available upgrade at shooting guard in mind?

Trading either one, or constantly talking about trading them every day of the year, makes the Knicks franchise (and the New York market) look more callous in the eyes of the fraternity of pro basketballers who text each other all the time.

How does that strengthen the case to sign Bosh, Dirk, Lebron or any of the elite ballers ready to listen to the NYK sales pitch?

well put mr. Earl, well put.

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12/9/2009  11:42 AM
becuase that's what they are - trade bait.

who cares what the media says.

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12/9/2009  11:49 AM
Kareem Abdul Jabbar was traded. So was Oscar Robertson, Kobe, Wilt and Willis Reed. Even Willie Mays and Hank Aaron traded.

nyk4ever - everyone is trade bait.

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12/9/2009  11:49 AM
misterearl wrote:fishmike - I am suggesting that the constant speculation over immediately trading away any productive players not only erodes the fragile exercise of team building, it damages the possibility of building potential trust among potential free agents.

Z-Bo is a journeyman with a skill set that looks good on paper. Knowledgeable basketball people excused that deal based on his checkered history. Jamal Crawford has never played in a playoff game. Ditto.

On the other hand, Al Harrington has overstated how much he wants to be in New York. Larry Hughes is playing with an assured confidence that provides a glimpse of what the Cavs saw in him when they acquired him to run with Lebron. Hughes did not sulk when he was out of the rotation. Larry Hughes has also commented recently how he is learning the D'Antoni system and getting comfortable in his role. Do you have a readily available upgrade at shooting guard in mind?

Trading either one, or constantly talking about trading them every day of the year, makes the Knicks franchise (and the New York market) look more callous in the eyes of the fraternity of pro basketballers who text each other all the time.

How does that strengthen the case to sign Bosh, Dirk, Lebron or any of the elite ballers ready to listen to the NYK sales pitch?

Understood, but this is the other side of that 'this is a business' mantra that players spit out whenever they ditch a city and a fan base because another team offered them twenty dollars more per year than their former team.

They're professionals and the circumstances of the season were laid bare before the year started. I'm very encouraged by the recent surge, for real, but if the right deal comes along cats are on the first thing smoking.

Hughes has been great recently, but framing his recent production with the totality of his career Walsh has to be looking through the prism of trade bait as opposed to extension. Especially if we can package him with a Jeffries or Curry.

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12/9/2009  11:50 AM
misterearl wrote:fishmike - I am suggesting that the constant speculation over immediately trading away any productive players not only erodes the fragile exercise of team building, it damages the possibility of building potential trust among potential free agents.

Z-Bo is a journeyman with a skill set that looks good on paper. Knowledgeable basketball people excused that deal based on his checkered history. Jamal Crawford has never played in a playoff game. Ditto.

On the other hand, Al Harrington has overstated how much he wants to be in New York. Larry Hughes is playing with an assured confidence that provides a glimpse of what the Cavs saw in him when they acquired him to run with Lebron. Hughes did not sulk when he was out of the rotation. Larry Hughes has also commented recently how he is learning the D'Antoni system and getting comfortable in his role. Do you have a readily available upgrade at shooting guard in mind?

Trading either one, or constantly talking about trading them every day of the year, makes the Knicks franchise (and the New York market) look more callous in the eyes of the fraternity of pro basketballers who text each other all the time.

How does that strengthen the case to sign Bosh, Dirk, Lebron or any of the elite ballers ready to listen to the NYK sales pitch?


I dont care if Jesus Christ wants to play in NY and says it every game. If I dont see him as part of a title or something thats going to make me an elite team I am looking to improve, if that means shipping Jesus out so be it
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12/9/2009  11:51 AM
fishmike wrote:
misterearl wrote:fishmike - I am suggesting that the constant speculation over immediately trading away any productive players not only erodes the fragile exercise of team building, it damages the possibility of building potential trust among potential free agents.

Z-Bo is a journeyman with a skill set that looks good on paper. Knowledgeable basketball people excused that deal based on his checkered history. Jamal Crawford has never played in a playoff game. Ditto.

On the other hand, Al Harrington has overstated how much he wants to be in New York. Larry Hughes is playing with an assured confidence that provides a glimpse of what the Cavs saw in him when they acquired him to run with Lebron. Hughes did not sulk when he was out of the rotation. Larry Hughes has also commented recently how he is learning the D'Antoni system and getting comfortable in his role. Do you have a readily available upgrade at shooting guard in mind?

Trading either one, or constantly talking about trading them every day of the year, makes the Knicks franchise (and the New York market) look more callous in the eyes of the fraternity of pro basketballers who text each other all the time.

How does that strengthen the case to sign Bosh, Dirk, Lebron or any of the elite ballers ready to listen to the NYK sales pitch?


I dont care if Jesus Christ wants to play in NY and says it every game. If I dont see him as part of a title or something thats going to make me an elite team I am looking to improve, if that means shipping Jesus out so be it

i guess fish doesnt think JC has the cahones for the job....

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12/9/2009  11:53 AM
MrEarl you must remember that not everyone reads the paper everyday or keeps up with everything going on with the team. There are also new fans and young ones just coming on board everyday. These repetitive stories are for them! We aren't the avg fan or casual fan. To many this info is new.
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12/9/2009  11:54 AM
fishmike wrote:
misterearl wrote:fishmike - I am suggesting that the constant speculation over immediately trading away any productive players not only erodes the fragile exercise of team building, it damages the possibility of building potential trust among potential free agents.

Z-Bo is a journeyman with a skill set that looks good on paper. Knowledgeable basketball people excused that deal based on his checkered history. Jamal Crawford has never played in a playoff game. Ditto.

On the other hand, Al Harrington has overstated how much he wants to be in New York. Larry Hughes is playing with an assured confidence that provides a glimpse of what the Cavs saw in him when they acquired him to run with Lebron. Hughes did not sulk when he was out of the rotation. Larry Hughes has also commented recently how he is learning the D'Antoni system and getting comfortable in his role. Do you have a readily available upgrade at shooting guard in mind?

Trading either one, or constantly talking about trading them every day of the year, makes the Knicks franchise (and the New York market) look more callous in the eyes of the fraternity of pro basketballers who text each other all the time.

How does that strengthen the case to sign Bosh, Dirk, Lebron or any of the elite ballers ready to listen to the NYK sales pitch?


I dont care if Jesus Christ wants to play in NY and says it every game. If I dont see him as part of a title or something thats going to make me an elite team I am looking to improve, if that means shipping Jesus out so be it

i believe he's still under contract.

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12/9/2009  12:01 PM
One of the things that makes being a fan easier is not taking the media too seriously.
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12/9/2009  12:10 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/9/2009  12:10 PM
"To many this info is new."

nixluva - that is patently false and you know it. There is not a person on this earth that does not know the Donnie Walsh intends to sign a pricey free agent in 2010.

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12/9/2009  12:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/9/2009  12:23 PM
I'll send you Jesus for a player to be named later..."


"I dont care if Jesus Christ wants to play in NY and says it every game. If I dont see him as part of a title or something thats going to make me an elite team I am looking to improve, if that means shipping Jesus out so be it"

fishmike - of course each and every General Manager always looks to upgrade. That is what they all are paid well do. Your offer of Jesus Christ for (insert upgrade here) sounds reasonable in theory but, unless you have a readily available (not a fantasy wet dream) upgrade for Larry Hughes at the two guard, I don't want to hear a single peep about trading him this week.

Please note: The operative words are "readily available"

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