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EnySpree
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12/6/2009  1:54 PM
Don't laugh cuz its the truth...

How can the Knicks trade a guy that is a huge part of how the Knicks score? Nobody is as aggressive....you can't expect Gallo to all of a sudden grow a pair and start to drive the ball with the full head of steam that Harrington does. Wilson has been getting more confident, but he has never been a guy that attacked the defense with Harrington's courage and ferocity.

Life does not end if Harrington is traded but if he is traded...and if Nate continues to be benched...how do the Knicks score or plan to stay in games this year? Don't give me the "this year doesn't matter" routine...where is the pride?

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12/6/2009  1:58 PM
You take Harrington out, I think it opens up some psychological space for the other players to step up. Hughes has been doing a good job getting to the hole.
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12/6/2009  2:05 PM
Finestrg wrote:You know I knew CDR was gonna have a good game today -- he kills the Knicks everytime...Dude's a damn good player..

What the..??

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12/6/2009  2:38 PM
Eny - I agree, and it makes no sense to trade Harrington unless we're including Curry or Jefferies for ending deals, and then I'd probably still want at least a first rounder.
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12/6/2009  2:47 PM
Eny, you're right. But I don't care enough about this season if Harrington brings us a good young player or a draft pick with an expiring contract to balance out the money.
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12/6/2009  3:05 PM
i'd trade Al if we're bringing in a player who could possibly factor well into our future plans... the Ty Thomas idea was good in principle, but we already have a player w/similar skillsets... Hill's not as explosive an athlete as TT no question but he's got the size to play the C position, something TT doesn't... we're already set at the PF spot w/D Lee & on the wings w/Gallo & Wilson... if we hadn't already drafted Jordan Hill i'd probably be alot more open to making that trade w/Chicago, but even still u gotta get back more than just TT for Harrington who's been 1 of the best 6th men players in the NBA this season... TT also brings mental midget type tendencies so u gotta worry about that as well.
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12/6/2009  3:21 PM
Al Harrington is the truth. Nobody can guard this guy. And he's getting BETTER.

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12/6/2009  10:42 PM
if Al is our best player, then we will never be a good team.. Al is a very good offensive player. But under control, and I mean shots and minutes, you can have a good and motivated enough player that is a deadly 6th man. As a go to guy, Al can get you in trouble..
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12/7/2009  12:49 AM
I think realistically we have to trade him. Listen I know he has been our best scorer- but wouldn't you agree that his biggest long term value is what he yields us in return We are a long way from the playoffs this year, and even if we get in we are long way from making some noise. He's not a guy that isa long term piece to build around. But he will have huge value to a team around the deadline that needs to add an extra scorer and he might well be our best piece to yield another player or two that could be very valuable on a long term basis to us.
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12/7/2009  1:39 AM
Al may have the best trade value on the team but it's a tough thing to just give up any chance at the plAyoffs. Strange as it seems we're not far out of the playoff hunt. The teams ahead of us aren't that good. It may also be hard for some to accept that this team is playing at the level we predicted. The losing was bad but it doesn't mean they can't turn things around. Al is a big part of whatever success we've had I doubt Walsh would trade him unless it was a sweet deal for our future. Besides the better he plays and our record gets the more value he have.
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12/7/2009  2:09 AM
nixluva wrote:Al may have the best trade value on the team but it's a tough thing to just give up any chance at the plAyoffs. Strange as it seems we're not far out of the playoff hunt. The teams ahead of us aren't that good. It may also be hard for some to accept that this team is playing at the level we predicted. The losing was bad but it doesn't mean they can't turn things around. Al is a big part of whatever success we've had I doubt Walsh would trade him unless it was a sweet deal for our future. Besides the better he plays and our record gets the more value he have.

well the only way to cash in on his value is before the trade deadline, so u gotta ask urself is trying to make the playoffs more important or making value trades for future assets more important.

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12/7/2009  3:31 AM
If you told me in the preseason that Al Harrington was the Knicks go-to player, I would say a 6-15 record sounds about right
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12/7/2009  4:39 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:If you told me in the preseason that Al Harrington was the Knicks go-to player, I would say a 6-15 record sounds about right

didn't say that this shouldn't be the case...cuz it is.

I'm just saying the dude is our go to guy...he shouldn't be coming off the bench...regardless if he still ends up finishing games and still gets the same shots...the guy has been the catalyst behind any offense this team has shown. He's the only guy not afraid to score and take on whoever is in front of him. Yo if the Knicks had Carmelo or Lebron instead of Harrington how much different whould the Knicks be? chances are they would still suck and still be below .500...

anyway regardles...he needs some respect...on a good team yeah he woul dbe a 6th man...but on the Knicks...he is the go to guy and doing a great job at it regardless of what the record is...cuz the team sucks because of alot of things. Harrington has been the constant possitive.

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12/7/2009  6:17 AM
TMS wrote:
nixluva wrote:Al may have the best trade value on the team but it's a tough thing to just give up any chance at the plAyoffs. Strange as it seems we're not far out of the playoff hunt. The teams ahead of us aren't that good. It may also be hard for some to accept that this team is playing at the level we predicted. The losing was bad but it doesn't mean they can't turn things around. Al is a big part of whatever success we've had I doubt Walsh would trade him unless it was a sweet deal for our future. Besides the better he plays and our record gets the more value he have.

well the only way to cash in on his value is before the trade deadline, so u gotta ask urself is trying to make the playoffs more important or making value trades for future assets more important.

But is it that simple? We have the playoffs, development of our younguns and then future assets.

Now, choice two I don't think D'Antoni cares too much for, but I could be wrong.

The playoffs are important for everyone who will be here next year, it changes the atmosphere. Getting assets for Al is a strong possibility as he is playing close to all star level, yes, I think he is. He right now is the driving force on this team. No one can cover him one on one. If he plays smart (like he has been doing recently) he will make those around him a bit better.

With our cap space coming for next year, unless we use Al to unload Curry or Jeffries, do we really need assets? Our cap space right now is our greatest asset (in addition to the younguns).

I would love to have Lee and Harrington back next year and we could if we get rid of both Jeffries and Curry, big if.

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12/7/2009  11:19 AM
The way things are going, I think you can expect Al to be back next season and maybe even at a discount. He wants to be here and is a good candidate to sign a favorable contract. Can he sign a back-loaded deal? Also, after showing that he has no problem coming in off the bench on a bad team, he should be willing to do the same on a good one. I think you can say the same for Hughes. Lee is also making a good argument for returning next season...but his agent could be a real problem so I'd say that one is 40/60%
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12/7/2009  11:22 AM
Rookie wrote:The way things are going, I think you can expect Al to be back next season and maybe even at a discount. He wants to be here and is a good candidate to sign a favorable contract. Can he sign a back-loaded deal? Also, after showing that he has no problem coming in off the bench on a bad team, he should be willing to do the same on a good one. I think you can say the same for Hughes. Lee is also making a good argument for returning next season...but his agent could be a real problem so I'd say that one is 40/60%


If after singing a MAX player we only have 7mil left, Al Harrington will take it but David Lee will not.

If we strike out on Bron and Bosh, Walsh might offer Rudy Gay or Joe Johnson a Near-MAX deal so he can keep Lee as well.

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12/7/2009  11:46 AM
kam77 wrote:If after singing a MAX player we only have 7mil left, Al Harrington will take it but David Lee will not.

I was kind of thinking the Al would not be available for 7M, neither would DLee and that is why the Ty Thomas trade was discussed.

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12/7/2009  11:51 AM
Andrew wrote:
kam77 wrote:If after singing a MAX player we only have 7mil left, Al Harrington will take it but David Lee will not.

I was kind of thinking the Al would not be available for 7M, neither would DLee and that is why the Ty Thomas trade was discussed.

Could Al take a porting of the MLE + 7M?

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12/7/2009  12:08 PM
IF we could get rid of both Jeffries and Curry our salary cap would be at 9,175,561.00.

The salary cap should be around 53 million, so that would leave us with 43.8 million free.

Two max free agents would add (I think) about 34 million in salaries, leaving us with around 10 million to spare.
That should be enough to resign Al and a veteran or two, or even Ty Thomas.
We still need a pg though, so Douglas really does need to see minutes to help us to decide.

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12/7/2009  12:23 PM
....you know, I'm starting to think JJ could be tradeable...Curry, not so much but the deadline is still a ways off. If Curry could manage to play till the deadline w/o re-injuring the knee then who knows, could be possible but between the chronic knees and the bad ticker I don't think so. If JJ can continue his good defense and intangibles + decrease hi T.O.'s and continue to score in the 6-8 pt. range maybe someone will take from us...one can only hope
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