As far as assists...I been trying to figure out why he hasn't been able to get assists...well truthfully, there hasn't been opportunities. On the pick and roll he's had the option to pass to the roller, but they have been covered...but he hasn't just help on to the rock....he he hit the second option on that play or took the better shot which he has been knocking down.

I say forget signing a point guard...knicks already have him in Toney Douglas.

EnySpree wrote:aside from that, his ball handling, defense and shooting is totally what this team needs.....I mean he zips the ball up the court every time and he doesn't take breaks on defense. He's shooting 49% from the field. He's been incredible. He can get anywhere he needs to go off the dribble. Confidence and fear don't seem to be a concern for this dude.

As far as assists...I been trying to figure out why he hasn't been able to get assists...well truthfully, there hasn't been opportunities. On the pick and roll he's had the option to pass to the roller, but they have been covered...but he hasn't just help on to the rock....he he hit the second option on that play or took the better shot which he has been knocking down.

I say forget signing a point guard...knicks already have him in Toney Douglas.

EnySpree wrote:aside from that, his ball handling, defense and shooting is totally what this team needs.....I mean he zips the ball up the court every time and he doesn't take breaks on defense. He's shooting 49% from the field. He's been incredible. He can get anywhere he needs to go off the dribble. Confidence and fear don't seem to be a concern for this dude.

As far as assists...I been trying to figure out why he hasn't been able to get assists...well truthfully, there hasn't been opportunities. On the pick and roll he's had the option to pass to the roller, but they have been covered...but he hasn't just help on to the rock....he he hit the second option on that play or took the better shot which he has been knocking down.

I say forget signing a point guard...knicks already have him in Toney Douglas.

Toney is great but everything about him screams combo guard. As hard as it is to admit, Duhon sets up people much better than Toney. Next season I think it'd be fantastic to start Douglas with a dishing/shooting point guard like a Blake or Bibby. One who doesn't look to create too much and plays steady but can actually hit shots when open. Dantoni's system was designed for a point guard who can pass and shoot ala Nash but let's be real no one we can sign will shoot or pass anywhere near Nash's league. DWTDD

JCHAN wrote:

EnySpree wrote:aside from that, his ball handling, defense and shooting is totally what this team needs.....I mean he zips the ball up the court every time and he doesn't take breaks on defense. He's shooting 49% from the field. He's been incredible. He can get anywhere he needs to go off the dribble. Confidence and fear don't seem to be a concern for this dude.

As far as assists...I been trying to figure out why he hasn't been able to get assists...well truthfully, there hasn't been opportunities. On the pick and roll he's had the option to pass to the roller, but they have been covered...but he hasn't just help on to the rock....he he hit the second option on that play or took the better shot which he has been knocking down.

I say forget signing a point guard...knicks already have him in Toney Douglas.

Toney is great but everything about him screams combo guard. As hard as it is to admit, Duhon sets up people much better than Toney. Next season I think it'd be fantastic to start Douglas with a dishing/shooting point guard like a Blake or Bibby. One who doesn't look to create too much and plays steady but can actually hit shots when open. Dantoni's system was designed for a point guard who can pass and shoot ala Nash but let's be real no one we can sign will shoot or pass anywhere near Nash's league. DWTDD

Douglas needs work on making those tough passes on the pick and roll, but I am not ready to say he cannot do it. The coaching staff needs to spend next summer running Douglas through drills to get him comfortable running the ball-screen game. I think the kid is smart enough to develop those skills and given that he actually can hit a shot, he should have more space to work with than Duhon.

Paladin55 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:He dunked....and with two hands.

I swear that as he was running down the court after the dunk I saw his lips mouth the words "thats for you, Briggs."

My eyes are not so good though- I could be wrong.

Nah...it was JW44 he was addressing.

martin wrote:

Olbrannon wrote:combo guards seem to be more common than a true point. If you have two on the floor does it equal a true one?

So I know you have followed Toney throughout college, etc. What's your take on how well this kid can learn the PG position?

I was actually more impressed with his PG tangibles in the summer league than I have seen recently, but that may just be because has been playing Douglas off the ball. Or perhaps the time spent on the floor is just too little to notice a bigger PG landscape. I know don't, but especially during the 4th quarter of the ORL game last night, I didn't see much from Toney outside of shooting skills (and D) and not much in the way of running an offense.

thoughts? I know these things take a few years.

In order to pass well I think first you need the other team to respect your outside shot so they don't sag on to your target. He's got that now I think. Pro game the players are taller and faster and better schooled. I believe the openings are smaller and Toney unsure at times would rather do something else rather than force it in and have a turnover. The ball is the most precious thing in the game and he gets that.

Toney's game seemed predicated a lot on defense to create offensive oppurtunity last year. He was the main go to weapon and is used to crunch time and being the 'man'. He will get in the paint and draw the fouls in the latter stages of the game. Seen him do it over and over last year. The offense was a motion offense. Toney was the general no doubt about it.

I firmly believe he will be a good point guard in time. and he can make the simple pass. He is steady and heady player and he loves to nail the dagger if you give him space. What he needs is minutes on the floor with his teammates.

I doubt he will ever pass like Nash....but Billups ...perhaps in a couple years. He can run the team no question AFAI am concerned. But he has to show D'A that he can do it in his style?

I believe that the brunt of TD's work is with Gallo and Chandler and Hill and when you see all of them on the floor TD will be there.

And you have another squad with Lee and Duhon. When is the trade deadline?

Olbrannon wrote:

martin wrote:

Olbrannon wrote:combo guards seem to be more common than a true point. If you have two on the floor does it equal a true one?

So I know you have followed Toney throughout college, etc. What's your take on how well this kid can learn the PG position?

I was actually more impressed with his PG tangibles in the summer league than I have seen recently, but that may just be because has been playing Douglas off the ball. Or perhaps the time spent on the floor is just too little to notice a bigger PG landscape. I know don't, but especially during the 4th quarter of the ORL game last night, I didn't see much from Toney outside of shooting skills (and D) and not much in the way of running an offense.

thoughts? I know these things take a few years.

In order to pass well I think first you need the other team to respect your outside shot so they don't sag on to your target. He's got that now I think. Pro game the players are taller and faster and better schooled. I believe the openings are smaller and Toney unsure at times would rather do something else rather than force it in and have a turnover. The ball is the most precious thing in the game and he gets that.

Toney's game seemed predicated a lot on defense to create offensive oppurtunity last year. He was the main go to weapon and is used to crunch time and being the 'man'. He will get in the paint and draw the fouls in the latter stages of the game. Seen him do it over and over last year. The offense was a motion offense. Toney was the general no doubt about it.

I firmly believe he will be a good point guard in time. and he can make the simple pass. He is steady and heady player and he loves to nail the dagger if you give him space. What he needs is minutes on the floor with his teammates.

I doubt he will ever pass like Nash....but Billups ...perhaps in a couple years. He can run the team no question AFAI am concerned. But he has to show D'A that he can do it in his style?

I believe that the brunt of TD's work is with Gallo and Chandler and Hill and when you see all of them on the floor TD will be there.

And you have another squad with Lee and Duhon. When is the trade deadline?