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12/2/2009  3:21 PM
He shouldn't have left in the first place. Now he can retire in Philly like he should.

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PHILADELPHIA -- Dust off the No. 3 jersey. Allen Iverson is with the Philadelphia 76ers again.

Iverson signed a free-agent contract with Philadelphia on Wednesday, three years after their acrimonious split led to his trade and seemingly ended any chance of his return. Iverson's brief retirement is over and he's expected to make his debut Monday at home against Denver.

The Sixers needed a replacement once they lost starting point guard Lou Williams, who's expected to miss eight weeks after jaw surgery. Williams, who averaged 17.4 points and 5.1 assists, broke his jaw in a loss to Washington on Nov. 24.


Iverson, his agent and business manager met with team president Ed Stefanski, coach Eddie Jordan and two other members of the organization Monday to talk about returning.

"Without really seeing him on the floor, I would like to compare him to Brett Favre, a guy who people think is too old to play and he's almost having an MVP year," Jordan said. "That's off the top of my head. When I woke up this morning, I said, 'Maybe he can be that.' It's not a big maybe. I think he can be that."

The 34-year-old Iverson announced his retirement last week after a stint with the Memphis Grizzlies. The 10-time All-Star was NBA MVP in 2001, when he led the Sixers to the NBA finals.

"We had, at times, a rocky road with Allen Iverson, but we also had a fantastic run with Allen," Peter Luukko, COO of Comcast-Spectacor, which owns the 76ers and Flyers, told The Associated Press. "The expectations with Allen have changed dramatically. We're not looking for Allen to individually lead this team the way he has in the past."

Iverson was offered a one-year, non-guaranteed contract Tuesday, according to a person who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because the talks were private.

The Sixers would owe just under $650,000 if they guarantee his contract for the remainder of the season on Jan. 10.

"The whole situation wasn't about the contract and the money," Iverson's agent, Leon Rose, told The AP. "It was about the opportunity and the chance to come to Philadelphia."

In 10 seasons with the Sixers, Iverson posted the highest scoring average in team history (28.1), was second on the points list (19,583) and holds the record for 3-pointers (877). He was a seven-time All-Star, won four scoring titles and two All-Star game MVPs.

"He's like a rock star," Stefanski said.

The Sixers (5-13) had lost seven straight entering Wednesday night's game at Oklahoma City and need Iverson to spark sagging ticket sales. The Sixers are 29th in the NBA in attendance.

Luukko said Iverson's deal was "absolutely, strictly a basketball decision."

Jordan said Iverson will likely start in place of rookie Jrue Holiday.

"I told him I would like for him to start, and that's where it sort of ended," Jordan said. "And he was really like a kid at Christmas. That's how he sort of explained it to me. He's really excited and we're looking forward to it."

Iverson's last game with Philadelphia was Dec. 6, 2006, in Chicago. He refused to play the fourth quarter and was banished from the team two days later. He was eventually traded to Denver as part of the Andre Miller deal, and bounced to Detroit before landing in Memphis.

"Certainly, the way it left off, it's surprising," Luukko said.

Rose said he wasn't surprised both sides put their bitter parting behind them.

"It was a good situation that made sense for them," Rose said. "Allen has always had an affinity for the city of Philadelphia, the fans, the memories of playing here. He's always talked about the opportunity to come back."

The 6-foot Iverson played three games this season with Memphis before taking a leave of absence to attend to personal matters. He was waived after the two sides agreed to part ways.

The New York Knicks considered signing Iverson after he cleared waivers, before deciding he would take too much playing time from younger players they are trying to develop.

Iverson would get another look at his former teams after playing Denver. The Sixers, who have not won a playoff series since 2003, play at home Dec. 9 against Detroit.

Iverson was the No. 1 overall pick in the 1996 draft, but his 10 turbulent seasons in Philadelphia were marred by rants about practice, run-ins with former coach Larry Brown, arrests and a failed rap career.

In one infamous blowup at the end of the 2002 season, he repeated the word "practice" nearly 20 times during a rambling monologue.

"Times change, situations change," Luukko said. "The best way was to make this a basketball decision. Don't get personal with it."

Iverson has a career average of 27 points in 889 games over 14 seasons, and is tied for the fifth-highest scoring average in NBA history. He ranks third among active players.

"It's a great challenge, and I think it's a motivational aspect to it, too," Jordan said. "Guys are going to be jacked up. He's a winner, he's an assassin on the floor and that sort of thing is contagious."

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12/2/2009  4:41 PM
i still say we should have signed him.
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12/2/2009  4:44 PM
Unfortunately for AI and for Philly....he's older and at the end of his rope...and there aren't 14 willing defenders with high basketball IQ looking to clean up his mess as he goes along.

He will do what Jalen Rose did when he came here. You'll have 3 or 4 games of WOW and then POOF.

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12/2/2009  4:45 PM
Cosmic wrote:Unfortunately for AI and for Philly....he's older and at the end of his rope...and there aren't 14 willing defenders with high basketball IQ looking to clean up his mess as he goes along.

He will do what Jalen Rose did when he came here. You'll have 3 or 4 games of WOW and then POOF.

AI will slow down the game for Philly, which will really benefit Elton Brand, I think. Could be a good pairing.

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12/2/2009  4:57 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Cosmic wrote:Unfortunately for AI and for Philly....he's older and at the end of his rope...and there aren't 14 willing defenders with high basketball IQ looking to clean up his mess as he goes along.

He will do what Jalen Rose did when he came here. You'll have 3 or 4 games of WOW and then POOF.

AI will slow down the game for Philly, which will really benefit Elton Brand, I think. Could be a good pairing.


I totally agree. Dalembert and Brand around the basket for AI is perfect. I bet things go pretty well there
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12/2/2009  5:37 PM
Good for AI.. although he's been an ass throughout his career, theres no way his career could have or should have ended the way it almost did. Him being back in Philly to end things will be great for him and the team. He deserves it.
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12/2/2009  6:38 PM
sorry martin, andrew; i no see this. :( don't hate me.
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12/2/2009  6:38 PM
nyk4ever wrote:Good for AI.. although he's been an ass throughout his career, theres no way his career could have or should have ended the way it almost did. Him being back in Philly to end things will be great for him and the team. He deserves it.

yea, you think ending in a non-guaranteed BUM contract is much better? he better stay retired, bro. you loco.

WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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12/2/2009  6:39 PM
crzymdups wrote:i still say we should have signed him.

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12/2/2009  6:40 PM
TMS wrote:
crzymdups wrote:i still say we should have signed him.

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you stupid, guy. really? O RLY?? come on, give break to me. give one GOOD reason?

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12/2/2009  6:58 PM
orangeblobman wrote:
TMS wrote:
crzymdups wrote:i still say we should have signed him.

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you stupid, guy. really? O RLY?? come on, give break to me. give one GOOD reason?

simmer down Tovarish... we were gonna offer him a veteran's minimum contract just like the one he got from Philly... what was the potential downside? if he causes a disruption u just cut him, no big loss... AI is miles better than Duhon or Toney Douglas, & Nate is playing like crap this season... ur crazy if u don't think he could have helped this team this year.

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12/2/2009  6:58 PM
Donnie Walsh is going to look hella dumb when A.I starts doing his thing in Philly
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12/2/2009  7:07 PM
sebstar wrote:Donnie Walsh is going to look hella dumb when A.I starts doing his thing in Philly

you're so wrong it's not even funny.

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12/2/2009  7:07 PM

Philly is a playoff talent team and thats where they should be going. Iverson has to deal with brand and Iggy. Iverson on our team would be the alpha player and thats not where our shots and energy should be going toward. I applaud passing over Iverson despite our needs. I don't really see him as a point. He was just the most talented guard and the ball ran thru him. Like marbury, his abilty to penetrate is what made him dangerous. Take away some of that speed to break down the defense and he loses that small edge that made him impossible to guard. At this point, how much better is he than Nate?

He has a better chance of succeeding in Philly than here. It would be great if he was able to make a run with Philly.

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12/2/2009  7:08 PM
TMS wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:
TMS wrote:
crzymdups wrote:i still say we should have signed him.

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you stupid, guy. really? O RLY?? come on, give break to me. give one GOOD reason?

simmer down Tovarish... we were gonna offer him a veteran's minimum contract just like the one he got from Philly... what was the potential downside? if he causes a disruption u just cut him, no big loss... AI is miles better than Duhon or Toney Douglas, & Nate is playing like crap this season... ur crazy if u don't think he could have helped this team this year.

i can't go into this all over again. arguments were outlined way long ago. MIGHT I ADD...the same arguments I PUT DOWN were the ones that swayed Donnie/Dolan

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12/2/2009  7:12 PM
orangeblobman wrote:
TMS wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:
TMS wrote:
crzymdups wrote:i still say we should have signed him.

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you stupid, guy. really? O RLY?? come on, give break to me. give one GOOD reason?

simmer down Tovarish... we were gonna offer him a veteran's minimum contract just like the one he got from Philly... what was the potential downside? if he causes a disruption u just cut him, no big loss... AI is miles better than Duhon or Toney Douglas, & Nate is playing like crap this season... ur crazy if u don't think he could have helped this team this year.

i can't go into this all over again. arguments were outlined way long ago. MIGHT I ADD...the same arguments I PUT DOWN were the ones that swayed Donnie/Dolan

u just asked me to give u a reason to support my argument, i did so... next time u call someone stupid for posting an opinion try reading over the posts u make on this forum... give break to me is right.

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12/2/2009  8:17 PM
Nalod wrote:
Philly is a playoff talent team and thats where they should be going. Iverson has to deal with brand and Iggy. Iverson on our team would be the alpha player and thats not where our shots and energy should be going toward. I applaud passing over Iverson despite our needs. I don't really see him as a point. He was just the most talented guard and the ball ran thru him. Like marbury, his abilty to penetrate is what made him dangerous. Take away some of that speed to break down the defense and he loses that small edge that made him impossible to guard. At this point, how much better is he than Nate?

He has a better chance of succeeding in Philly than here. It would be great if he was able to make a run with Philly.

agreed that he has a better chance of succeeding in philly. i'll be rooting for him.

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12/2/2009  8:57 PM
sebstar wrote:Donnie Walsh is going to look hella dumb when A.I starts doing his thing in Philly

Just looks at Jason Williams. We owned his exclusive negotiating rights for a week and passed.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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12/2/2009  10:28 PM
Jason surrounded by Dwight, vince and Rashaad or Larry, Eddy, and Wilson?

C'mon, Jason has a big house in orlando and lots of money. He looked at his options and we were one of them.

Yeah, Jason would have made our season? AI pumping up 22 shots a game would help Wilson? Gallo? TD? Im sure Harrington would be effective just standing and watching AI.

Maybe if AI came in and said he is cool with 5-7 shots a game and really wants to work on his game off the bench and mostly do ball movement to develope the young guys that would have worked, but I doubt that.

Jason is the backup on a team that is likley top 2 in the east.

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12/2/2009  10:54 PM
Uhm... Jason Williams or Chris Duhon?
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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