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simrud
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12/26/2003  2:51 PM
"Houston said there's something different about the road, where it's just teammates and coaches, and family and fans aren't presenting distractions. "

These bums can't play in their home city cause they are so bad the fans let them know about it. And they can't handle the pressure. Soft bunch of loosers, and it starts with Houston, he is the cancer that is eating away the Knicks heart.

A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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12/26/2003  2:58 PM
It's not just Allan. It's a mindset that in pervasive throughout the team- roster and coaching staff.

Don't worry, though. Isaiah is gonna ship out the softees.
Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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12/26/2003  3:32 PM
That cancer can be easily avoided with a head strong best player. The problem really is that Houston is timid and gets very easily influenced by the likes of Chaney. He desfinately should not be the best player on our team.

We will win no championships with Houston driving. He is a good player but he isn't a franchise player and he definately cannot be the heart of a team. He is not a cut throat leader the knicks need. But dont bring Tinsley here Zeke. Jamal's got ball control issues.
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simrud
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12/26/2003  5:33 PM
Silver I agree completely and that's exactly what Spree was for this team, exactly why I knew it was all going to fall apart completely once they traded him for another soft looser.
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12/26/2003  5:39 PM
They were fallen apart with spree.
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12/26/2003  5:40 PM
no they were at 500 w/spree
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12/26/2003  5:58 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

no they were at 500 w/spree

...and never got herbed like they did Tuesday when Spree was here either.
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12/26/2003  6:01 PM
We can't logically argue that the team is better without spree -- yet. A lot of new players have been added, affecting team chemistry, and I think we all agree that Chaney's not a great head coach. A smarter coach, a better motivator could have this team playing better.

Chaney's a nice man and I'm glad he got to earn the big bucks. Now it is time to try to develop a winning attitude on this team. We need a new head coach.
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12/26/2003  6:06 PM
Posted by knickgeek:

We can't logically argue that the team is better without spree -- yet. A lot of new players have been added, affecting team chemistry, and I think we all agree that Chaney's not a great head coach. A smarter coach, a better motivator could have this team playing better.

Chaney's a nice man and I'm glad he got to earn the big bucks. Now it is time to try to develop a winning attitude on this team. We need a new head coach.
Yes. That is exactly what I think. A smarter coach would motivate a team more effectively and would make sure it wasn't Houston that was in charge of bringing emotion. if it is true that the team takes the persona of the head coach then it is evident that chaney is overmatched and wimpy. Please bring us a coach Zeke.
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simrud
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12/26/2003  7:00 PM
Paya get your facts straight for once in your life. With Spree we are at least .500. Your blind hatin is showin you up man, just stop it already. A .500 team is all we were I agree, but that was much better then today's soft bunch of loosers led by overpaid and heartless Houston and Van Bust who would get pushed around in the WNBA.
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12/26/2003  7:14 PM
As much as we all like spree, we were not a winning team with him. .500 team? so what.. Is that a big deal, the key is winning, and we were not winning with spree..Period!!
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12/26/2003  7:36 PM
NOW HEAR THIS: THE KNICKS HAVE NOT HIT BOTTOM YET!!!! THE WORST IS YET TO COME.

ZEKE IS NO SAVIOR, JUST ANOTHER PLAYER IN DOLAN'S DOG & PONY SHOW.
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12/26/2003  7:47 PM
Posted by blueandorange:

NOW HEAR THIS: THE KNICKS HAVE NOT HIT BOTTOM YET!!!! THE WORST IS YET TO COME.

ZEKE IS NO SAVIOR, JUST ANOTHER PLAYER IN DOLAN'S DOG & PONY SHOW.
Dude you are a fountain of optimism. Just like Guns! But the past four years have left us no choice but to be reserved about this.

And tkf is right, we are not winning anything with spree either. Spree is not a good franchise. Let Zeke do his thing though. He has to Ding dong a lot of people but the first one has to be Chaney.
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12/27/2003  1:17 AM
I'll take H20 over Spree any day of the week. that phony baloney has some fooled but I see a loser. how phony is it to come to the garden and act as if you were owed somthin. You? you? You never won Shyt. Especially after gettin ya but busted in minny. you know what the worst thing is. Some of you thought the wild chucka man was gonna win something here. Not With all those bricks. I know we wanna be down wit Hip hop and all that but that cat is from milwaulkee. A big phony. Truth is nobody has feared the knicks since oak left! Cuz that was one cat who was ready to bring it. Spree just talkin. I don't care what yall say, spree was and is a bum loser, the worse thing that ever happened to my team. Good riddance loser. Have fun playing where nobody cares.
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12/27/2003  1:25 AM
H20 is not the blame for this teams failure. The salary cap is culprit. why would these slave minded players ever sign that deal? Yall acting like yall dont see all the other teams fighting just to be in a round or two of play-off basketball knowing they aint winning shyt (all teams not named san an ,or la). open yalls eyes. Until stern throws us a bone its gonna be rough.
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12/27/2003  1:36 AM
ko: houston is the best player on our team which makes him the leader. Being the leader he does shoulder some blame for our 11-19 record. He is the 5th highest paid player in the NBA nad is extremely 1-dimensional. KCH is soft, Eisley lacks talent, Deke is effective but only in terms of his age and Dice has twizler knees.

Salary cap is the culprit but our top 3 players houston, Dice and KVH rank 5, 9 and 13th in the NBA in highest paid. They don't perform to those rankings. When our captain, the 5th highest paid player in the NBA doesn't even rank 5th in his position and our supposed savior has gimpy knees, we are in more trouble than any salary cap could ever offer. We were corrupt the entire way utpo monday when Zeke was hired. He might not be the solution but he is better than the problem.

In the Spree or H2O comparision, Spree is better cause he can defend, rebound and pass better than H2O. He is better overall IMO. But since spree is not on the Knicks anymore, I would take H2O in a heartbeat over Spree.
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12/27/2003  2:00 AM
Look silver, I tell em all. the 94 spree defended. And maybe rebounded. But spree wasn't stoppin nobody the last few years and he wanted to shoot to much. Right now H20 is a great perimeter player on offense. Any time you must double a jump shooter thats somthing name another who has to be doubled before he shoots a jumper. not even Peja. Spree is a great What? But I understand most fans wanna see flash and pizzaz ( something we haven't seen from spree in a while until last tuesday) but see me, I'll take nice and precise too. Anyway I'm glad Spree's off my team. Not because he wasn't a good basketball player or even great at times. But because he only wants to be the man. And he just couldn't be.
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12/27/2003  2:02 AM
now that Layden is gone i feel all the Delusion he created here keft with him. Now I can easily see trading Dice for our own good. when Layden was here that was out of question cos he thought he was going to save us. Now I can see them not playing Eisely anymore and limiting Shandon's minutes because he can be effective for 10-15min. and most important of all, i can see frank, sweetney and lampe playing more cos they no longer have to play Layden's overplaid guys. Layden only played them cause he wanted to prove he made the right moves. Well, he didn't so now he's history!
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12/27/2003  10:55 AM
Posted by ko:

I'll take H20 over Spree any day of the week. that phony baloney has some fooled but I see a loser. how phony is it to come to the garden and act as if you were owed somthin. You? you? You never won Shyt. Especially after gettin ya but busted in minny. you know what the worst thing is. Some of you thought the wild chucka man was gonna win something here. Not With all those bricks. I know we wanna be down wit Hip hop and all that but that cat is from milwaulkee. A big phony. Truth is nobody has feared the knicks since oak left! Cuz that was one cat who was ready to bring it. Spree just talkin. I don't care what yall say, spree was and is a bum loser, the worse thing that ever happened to my team. Good riddance loser. Have fun playing where nobody cares.

Now, there's a post with some sense!
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12/27/2003  10:57 AM
Posted by ko:

Look silver, I tell em all. the 94 spree defended. And maybe rebounded. But spree wasn't stoppin nobody the last few years and he wanted to shoot to much. Right now H20 is a great perimeter player on offense. Any time you must double a jump shooter thats somthing name another who has to be doubled before he shoots a jumper. not even Peja. Spree is a great What? But I understand most fans wanna see flash and pizzaz ( something we haven't seen from spree in a while until last tuesday) but see me, I'll take nice and precise too. Anyway I'm glad Spree's off my team. Not because he wasn't a good basketball player or even great at times. But because he only wants to be the man. And he just couldn't be.

I really can't ever imagine taking Spree over Allan. Just think what our $100 mil Choir Boy would be doing to defenses if he was balling with Garnett and Cassel...

[Edited by - TRU on 12/27/2003 10:57:59]

[Edited by - TRU on 12/27/2003 10:58:45]
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