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raven
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11/30/2009  1:42 PM
Why don't we have systems like the Pacers used to have with Reggie, with Gallo running through a few screens to get him a clean shot ?

Not only the guy can shot the ball, but having that kind of plays help disorganize the opponent's D and create openings in the lane for slashers. Defenders keep on switching to follow the shooter and at some point, a rotation is missed and a guy gets open near the basket.

So do you think this is something we couldn't do?

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11/30/2009  1:52 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/30/2009  1:52 PM
They must be scared of Gallo getting hurt this year so they have him as a stationary figure at the three-pt line. I'd like to see more of a mid-range game from Gallo but they won't even post him up they're so scared with his back.
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11/30/2009  2:03 PM
this is about featuring the veterans so they can pad their stats & hopefully Donnie will have some takers at the trade deadline... MDA can talk about getting Gallo more involved all he wants but the plays he's running for Gallo & the way the vets aren't even looking for him show different... hopefully that changes after the deadline passes.
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11/30/2009  2:08 PM
its more important that al harrington and larry hughes get shots so that they have a fair chance at another NBA contract. if gallinari wants to get a screen he'll have to set one for himself. plus d'antoni doesn't draw plays he trusts duhon to "do the right thing." he went to duke i mean, he's good for that.
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11/30/2009  2:34 PM
TMS wrote:this is about featuring the veterans so they can pad their stats & hopefully Donnie will have some takers at the trade deadline... MDA can talk about getting Gallo more involved all he wants but the plays he's running for Gallo & the way the vets aren't even looking for him show different... hopefully that changes after the deadline passes.

Agreed as they could easily be trying to feature Gallo as the go to guy. We couldn't be worse then a 3-14 by doing so. Gallo is apart of the future so if we were really about developing Gallo for the future then we would be looking to feature him as the go to scorer since a lot his teammates won't be there next season. Its so logical that it has to come down to what you said, looking to feature vets and build up there value.

As soon as the trade deadline is over if we haven't made moves by then already. I bet you they all of a sudden start to feature Gallo as the go to option on offense getting him 15shots a game. Hill and Douglas will all of a sudden have earned there playing time.

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11/30/2009  2:39 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
TMS wrote:this is about featuring the veterans so they can pad their stats & hopefully Donnie will have some takers at the trade deadline... MDA can talk about getting Gallo more involved all he wants but the plays he's running for Gallo & the way the vets aren't even looking for him show different... hopefully that changes after the deadline passes.

Agreed as they could easily be trying to feature Gallo as the go to guy. We couldn't be worse then a 3-14 by doing so. Gallo is apart of the future so if we were really about developing Gallo for the future then we would be looking to feature him as the go to scorer since a lot his teammates won't be there next season. Its so logical that it has to come down to what you said, looking to feature vets and build up there value.

As soon as the trade deadline is over if we haven't made moves by then already. I bet you they all of a sudden start to feature Gallo as the go to option on offense getting him 15shots a game. Hill and Douglas will all of a sudden have earned there playing time.

i'm not so confident that the philosophy will change completely after the trade deadline passes... i still think guys like Duhon, Harrington, Lee & Nate will see the same amount of minutes as now... Hughes may or may not get his minutes reduced, only cuz he's shown he can be a pro about not playing & won't cause too much of a stir in the lockerroom... who knows what'll happen w/Fishlips tho... if he's playing more than 5 mpg after the deadline passes & Jordan Hill isn't seeing at least 15 per then i'm gonna have to reconsider my opinion of MDA as a head coach.

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11/30/2009  2:42 PM
I actually think that Hughes has played well and is a very viable option for someone like washington in a trade. I like Randy Foye and he isn't getting the minutes on that squad and is a player i think could be a very effective guard for us. I am sure there is a deal that can be worked out
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11/30/2009  2:58 PM
TMS wrote:this is about featuring the veterans so they can pad their stats & hopefully Donnie will have some takers at the trade deadline... MDA can talk about getting Gallo more involved all he wants but the plays he's running for Gallo & the way the vets aren't even looking for him show different... hopefully that changes after the deadline passes.

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11/30/2009  3:16 PM
It's got to have something to do with what they think is needed right now, cuz I don't think it's his back. The guy is on the floor and really even tho he's camped out on the perimeter he does venture inside and can't really avoid contact completely. Then on D he has been going after shots and getting some boards. It has to be about trying to showcase the vets cuz I just don't understand why he's not featured more. He could easily play more a role than he's been given so far.

I also would think that if I was on the floor with a guy that could shoot like Gallo at his size i'd want to call him over to set a pick and get involved in the pick and roll/pop offense. If Lee can do it and he's not half the shooter Gallo is then what's the deal? I know that when MDA was in PHX they used Amare and Diaw in the pick and roll/pop game with great success.

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11/30/2009  3:19 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/30/2009  3:19 PM
nixluva wrote:I also would think that if I was on the floor with a guy that could shoot like Gallo at his size i'd want to call him over to set a pick and get involved in the pick and roll/pop offense. If Lee can do it and he's not half the shooter Gallo is then what's the deal? I know that when MDA was in PHX they used Amare and Diaw in the pick and roll/pop game with great success.

D Lee is running around like a madman on offense trying to set a P&R whenever any of the G's have the ball in their hands... Gallo doesn't even have a chance to do it most of the time... maybe it would be better to run those 2 guys in different rotations? maybe have Al Harrington start & bring Gallo off the bench so we can feature him w/the 2nd unit.

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11/30/2009  3:27 PM
TMS wrote:
nixluva wrote:I also would think that if I was on the floor with a guy that could shoot like Gallo at his size i'd want to call him over to set a pick and get involved in the pick and roll/pop offense. If Lee can do it and he's not half the shooter Gallo is then what's the deal? I know that when MDA was in PHX they used Amare and Diaw in the pick and roll/pop game with great success.

D Lee is running around like a madman on offense trying to set a P&R whenever any of the G's have the ball in their hands... Gallo doesn't even have a chance to do it most of the time... maybe it would be better to run those 2 guys in different rotations? maybe have Al Harrington start & bring Gallo off the bench so we can feature him w/the 2nd unit.

Yeah that too, but you'd think that with 2 guards and Gallo always on the weak side they could play a two man with Hughes/Nate/TD and Gallo at anytime! IT's all about what you want to be the focus of the attack. Duhon/Lee works, but that can't be the only pick and roll we run! GEEZ, they've got to develop more variety to the looks we give teams. It's the easiest thing to try and run and we only successfully run it with 2 guys most of the time.

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11/30/2009  4:12 PM
raven wrote:Why don't we have systems like the Pacers used to have with Reggie, with Gallo running through a few screens to get him a clean shot ?

Not only the guy can shot the ball, but having that kind of plays help disorganize the opponent's D and create openings in the lane for slashers. Defenders keep on switching to follow the shooter and at some point, a rotation is missed and a guy gets open near the basket.

So do you think this is something we couldn't do?

Exactly. This guy either takes a 3pt shot or is forced to try to dribble past a usually smaller and quicker player. We should be running him off of screens at least 4-5 plays a game. Our offense is too much one-on-one, which is why it is so inconsistent.

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11/30/2009  4:47 PM
raven wrote:Why don't we have systems like the Pacers used to have with Reggie, with Gallo running through a few screens to get him a clean shot ?

Not only the guy can shot the ball, but having that kind of plays help disorganize the opponent's D and create openings in the lane for slashers. Defenders keep on switching to follow the shooter and at some point, a rotation is missed and a guy gets open near the basket.

So do you think this is something we couldn't do?

Raven I would like to see that too. Especially since Gallo tends to get lost and seems too passive at times. Boune him off a screen or two where his man is trailling him and let him make a decision to attack, shoot or pass.

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11/30/2009  5:05 PM
BigSm00th wrote:its more important that al harrington and larry hughes get shots so that they have a fair chance at another NBA contract. if gallinari wants to get a screen he'll have to set one for himself. plus d'antoni doesn't draw plays he trusts duhon to "do the right thing." he went to duke i mean, he's good for that.

that is the most accurate and sad assessment of the season i've seen so far.

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11/30/2009  5:30 PM
First off, MDA bearly runs plays, which is why you need a bonifide pg in his system, 2) galla doesn't assert himself one bit. If you read SSOL, it's in there.

he also mention it in his pregame show

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11/30/2009  5:32 PM
raven wrote:Why don't we have systems like the Pacers used to have with Reggie, with Gallo running through a few screens to get him a clean shot ?

Not only the guy can shot the ball, but having that kind of plays help disorganize the opponent's D and create openings in the lane for slashers. Defenders keep on switching to follow the shooter and at some point, a rotation is missed and a guy gets open near the basket.

So do you think this is something we couldn't do?

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11/30/2009  5:42 PM
kam77 wrote:They must be scared of Gallo getting hurt this year so they have him as a stationary figure at the three-pt line. I'd like to see more of a mid-range game from Gallo but they won't even post him up they're so scared with his back.

just curious.. you know this because?

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11/30/2009  5:45 PM
you can pick and roll with gallo, run him off screens. the key is you want the defense to be trailing him or running at him, and that will happen a lot, since they have to respect the outside shot and he is very good with fakes and jukes.... the knicks are under utilizing him for sure....
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11/30/2009  5:49 PM
tkf wrote:you can pick and roll with gallo, run him off screens. the key is you want the defense to be trailing him or running at him, and that will happen a lot, since they have to respect the outside shot and he is very good with fakes and jukes.... the knicks are under utilizing him for sure....

i think once Curry gets back it's better if we run Gallo w/the 2nd unit & have him spread the floor so Curry can work in the paint, that way u can work the inside-outside game effectively... Lee can work the P&R w/Duhon w/the starting unit, which seems to be the only play those 2 know how to run these days... you can start Al at the PF w/the starting unit cuz he's gonna make sure he gets his shots anytime he touches the ball.

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11/30/2009  6:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/30/2009  6:12 PM
I think Gallo can do more to free himself up than waiting for set plays. In addition, none of his teammates seem to have a problem taking the initiative to get themselves free. Gallo running off screens is a wonderful visual but he really doesn't look mobile at all. He seems to labor at times when running. Also, he has no lift when he shoots and he appears to need to set his feet before he shoots which suggests that he needs to be positioned some place like above the arc to get a good shot off.

All of these excuses for Gallo not getting more shots is hilarious!!! Although some of the reasons given may hold some truth at some point you have to look at the player and how tentative he looks when he is doing anything on offense besides taking a set shot.

Basketball I.Q., unselfishness and a deadly set shot means very little if the player lacks confidence and fails to assert himself.

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