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TRU
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11/28/2009  1:41 PM
I'm putting it out there.

This guy hustles, is 14th in the league in scoring, and plays a little defense all after accepting a demotion to the bench.

He loves the team, and plays harder than almost any other knick. He's been the only reason we've been in some of these games, but yet so many kill him on here.

If he had some decent ballers on this squad, he'd be a monster.

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11/28/2009  1:47 PM
i like Al, don't love him... he's got his flaws & he makes me wanna pull my hair out sometimes, but he can ball & he does play like he cares.
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11/28/2009  2:27 PM
So far he is the only veteran that i'd like to keep in 2010. nd yes, he definately has flaws but he plays with passion and tries every time. That gets him in trouble sometimes.
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11/28/2009  2:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/28/2009  3:04 PM
Completely agree TRU. I love this guy. I'm not sure what others are lookin' at, but I see a very talented basketball player, probably our most talented player overall (I understand Lee's producing and I like Lee, but he's not nearly as talented as Al Harrington.. No way. To me Lee's at his peak right now, I don't see him getting much better. Not a knock on Lee - Lee's a damn good player who's producing much more than any Knick exec or Knick fan ever dreamed possible...Harrington on the other hand, if he were made the main focus on this team, and by that I mean starting because he basically is the focus and defacto go-to guy down the stretch anyway, he could be doing even more IMO. No reason why Harrington shouldn't be in the top 10, maybe even top 7 or so in scoring at over 25 a game (right now he's 14th). Harrington only gets 15+ shots a game compared to some of these other guys who are getting anywhere from 16-20 shots a game. Ask yourselves, does he really shoot too much??? I don't think so..Jesus, I want this guy shooting the ball. On this crappy team? You bet your ass. He's clearly our best offensive player by far..Most people on this board (not all but most) kill this guy as if he was the #1 problem. Far from it if you ask me. I agree with everything you said. Tell you what at the very least, say LeBron passes on NY but we managed to convince Bosh to come here - Bosh together with a re-uped Al Harrington on a 2 or 3 year extension wouldn't be terrible. Al's 29 yrs. old - he right in his prime and I don't see him suddenly declining over the next 3 yrs. He's a little too 3 pt. happy at times, but overall, he's a tremendous offensive SF IMHO. Jumper, post up and esp. when he puts it on the floor, I mean when he gets going, nobody can guard him, much like a Carmelo Anthony...We'll see what Donnie can get done here - obviously two max guys is the goal if we can move Eddy Curry but if a lot of off-season stuff winds up going south on us, I wouldn't mind it at all if Harrington were part of the plan moving forward..Donnie loves the guy (he drafted him and he deserves credit for that pick with the Pacers) and I tell you what, just a feeling but I don't see Al killing us on a contract demand either. Al strikes me as the type of guy that would take less and defer some money to make things work as far as bringing in another player or two. I don't see Lee working with us like that. Hey hopefully I'm wrong...You all saw last night what I've been saying for awhile now -- Al Harrington is a poor man's Carmelo Anthony. I understand Melo's younger & obviously on a higher tier, but to me, they basically bring the same things to the table. Only difference is, Melo never gets criticized for taking a lot of shots or going one-on-one when it's there. Denver fans support him, respect his ability and know damn well that he's their best option to score the ball. And he's got some other good scorers with him as well - Billips, JR Smith, etc..Over here, Harrington doesn't have nearly that type of talent around him but he somehow gets blasted for taking his shots. It's nonsense. Dude's a damn good player and he has my support. I've always liked him. Donnie doesn't get nearly as much love for pulling off that trade as he should -- we shed the extra year from Jamal Crawford's contract AND got the better player in Harrington anyway. Tremendous trade by Walsh.
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11/28/2009  2:40 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/28/2009  2:41 PM
ramtour420 wrote:So far he is the only veteran that i'd like to keep in 2010. nd yes, he definately has flaws but he plays with passion and tries every time. That gets him in trouble sometimes.

right now the only vet i really wanna hold onto past this season is Hughes... he plays on both ends of the floor & hasn't really made stupid mistakes down the stretch... he's been known to force up bad shots over his career but this year i haven't really noticed him doing that... he's played a nice team oriented game & is looking to set up his teammates for buckets while playing great defense on the perimeter & has had to guard bigger guys in the post at times & done a pretty solid job... he's also been a good role model for our young guys to emulate... was a total pro when he wasn't seeing minutes & came in & produced when he got the opportunity, & hasn't played selfishly in the process.

if we can keep Harrington on the cheap i'd welcome it, but he won't come cheap, especially if he keeps putting up the numbers like he has this season.

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11/28/2009  3:19 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/28/2009  3:25 PM
I didn't even think about Hughes for some reason, but you are right- Hughes has been a great teammate and a true professional. I can definately see him staying around. One thing i was wondering about tho, ever since we got Larry , is his relationship with Lebron. Did Cleveland trade him? Were there probs between those 2? I hope not. As for Al he is the only true triple threat on the team atm, or at least the closest thing we have to one. Hughes is close, but somehow i don't think the opposing team respects his scoring ability enough and Nate really could be a true triple threat, just that his passing is not what it should be and not to mention his d hehe. . .
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11/28/2009  3:22 PM
haven't heard anything about there being conflicts between those guys... anyway it's not like Hughes was a star or anything, so i don't see any reason for jealousy or infighting unless they were just jockin' on the same poon.
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11/28/2009  3:22 PM
ramtour420 wrote:I didn't even think about Hughes for some reason, but you are right- Hughes has been a great teammate and a true professional. I can definately see him staying around. One thing i was wondering about tho, ever since we got Larry , is his relationship with Lebron. Did Cleveland trade him? Were there probs between those 2? I hope not. . .

hughes is just making the best of his time here, you sign him long term or leave him hanging around for our future-- he reverts to his ways.

god bless him for using this opportunity in the best possible way to prolong his nba career, but a place on our team? no.

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11/28/2009  4:31 PM
orangeblobman wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:I didn't even think about Hughes for some reason, but you are right- Hughes has been a great teammate and a true professional. I can definately see him staying around. One thing i was wondering about tho, ever since we got Larry , is his relationship with Lebron. Did Cleveland trade him? Were there probs between those 2? I hope not. . .

hughes is just making the best of his time here, you sign him long term or leave him hanging around for our future-- he reverts to his ways.

god bless him for using this opportunity in the best possible way to prolong his nba career, but a place on our team? no.

I'll take hughes and harrington for a couple years. This system isn't that far from running reasonably well, imo. The squad as is plus just an aging Amare finishes in the top 8. And for next year, that the kind of improvement I'd welcome.

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11/28/2009  4:34 PM
ramtour420 wrote:So far he is the only veteran that i'd like to keep in 2010. nd yes, he definately has flaws but he plays with passion and tries every time. That gets him in trouble sometimes.

I agree. I'd like to see him part of the 2010 team. If I could only take one, it would be him. In fact, regardless of how many players I could keep, I might only keep him. Hill, Douglas and to a lesser extent Gallo are too soon to tell though.

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11/28/2009  5:39 PM
Al does play like he cares, but his-every so often-blunders are game costing. He is a great sixth man but should not be in the closing minutes of any close game.

I like all of our players once put into the right role,

No one can deny that if billups and mello was on this team, minus duhon and chandler, that we are not the best team in the east.

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11/28/2009  5:55 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/28/2009  5:55 PM
I like Al, I like Hughes. As far as I am concerned though Hughes is an MLE player to a little below. All is at about the $8-$9 mil range, IMO.

How would possibly keeping them affect our bottom line?

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11/28/2009  8:10 PM
joec32033 wrote:I like Al, I like Hughes. As far as I am concerned though Hughes is an MLE player to a little below. All is at about the $8-$9 mil range, IMO.

How would possibly keeping them affect our bottom line?

that's why i think Hughes is the only vet i would realistically be interested in keeping... i think Al is effectively pricing himself out of our range w/the #'s he's putting up considering what our plans are for next season & beyond.

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11/28/2009  8:31 PM
TMS wrote:
joec32033 wrote:I like Al, I like Hughes. As far as I am concerned though Hughes is an MLE player to a little below. All is at about the $8-$9 mil range, IMO.

How would possibly keeping them affect our bottom line?

that's why i think Hughes is the only vet i would realistically be interested in keeping... i think Al is effectively pricing himself out of our range w/the #'s he's putting up considering what our plans are for next season & beyond.

Al isn't stupid. He'll take a pay cut if it means playing in his home town with 2 Max FAs. I don't see him as being greedy.

I think we have a realistic shot of having Amare, Joe Johnson and Al Harrington in our starting 5 next year. And that's if things DON'T go perfect.

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11/28/2009  8:37 PM
I love Al Harrington when he is good and I hate Al Harrington when he is bad.

I like Al but he just isn't a winning player. Why? Because he deserves to be a starter and have the ball in his hands. When he does that? You can't be a winner because you are living and dying by Al Harrington.

Remember living and dying by Crawford? Well, Al affords you a slightly better percentage of doing so (winning by a certain player) but... not enough. And, it doesn't matter who you surround Al with - in the words of a drunk bastard, Al think's he's a superstar...he's not.

Dump Al Harrington.

Dump Al Harrington, if you can for an equal expiring and a PICK "Because we are giving up talent".

Make it so.

Same with Lee, Nate, and whoever else looks good. Just don't take back more salary. If we must take back 2011s in any transaction make sure we're sending out more 2010 money than we are getting back. You know, turning 2011 11M Curry (and lee or chandler or nate as incentive) into a 2010 6M contract (plus 2010 equivalent of the add-in player) and a 2011 5M contract type scenario.

We got to be able to make the above happen. I don't see why we can't!

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11/28/2009  8:38 PM
TRU wrote:
TMS wrote:
joec32033 wrote:I like Al, I like Hughes. As far as I am concerned though Hughes is an MLE player to a little below. All is at about the $8-$9 mil range, IMO.

How would possibly keeping them affect our bottom line?

that's why i think Hughes is the only vet i would realistically be interested in keeping... i think Al is effectively pricing himself out of our range w/the #'s he's putting up considering what our plans are for next season & beyond.

Al isn't stupid. He'll take a pay cut if it means playing in his home town with 2 Max FAs. I don't see him as being greedy.

I think we have a realistic shot of having Amare, Joe Johnson and Al Harrington in our starting 5 next year. And that's if things DON'T go perfect.

there's no way we can sign Al or even Hughes for that matter to even a MLE contract if we sign 2 max guys... if we dump Curry's contract somehow we might have the cap space to do something like Amare, JJ & Al, but that's a big if... right now as it stands, we have the cap space to sign 1 max guy & another guy at a little above MLE dollars.

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11/28/2009  8:45 PM
Got it. It's unlikely but still a possibility.

And there's a better chance of that (amare jj al) than us actually convincing 'bron or wade to come here.

That's why you gotta love this plan. After years, we finally have flexibility. The next test will be walsh's artistry as a GM.

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11/28/2009  8:51 PM
TRU wrote:Got it. It's unlikely but still a possibility.

And there's a better chance of that (amare jj al) than us actually convincing 'bron or wade to come here.

That's why you gotta love this plan. After years, we finally have flexibility. The next test will be walsh's artistry as a GM.

You got it and you understand it. This path we are taking is about FLEXIBILITY.

And, I will still say this... we have what, roughly 60M in expiring contracts? (I haven't looked it up recently). So, well, know what? Over the next 2.5 months we can still swing the most amazing deals, a Boston Celtics Offseason Prior to Their Title type deadline, if it is there to be had.

We are the most flexible team in the NBA right now. And...I'm not talking in terms of grabbing our ankles in ways no other team ever has.... I'm talking in terms of expiring deals, enticing youth, and the nearly league leading in 2010 cap space (I think the NOTS edge us by a few mil, but, again, people say Bron won't join the 3-14 Knicks because they are losers, but, somehow he will join the 0-16 Nets!? LOL!?)

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11/28/2009  8:55 PM
Over the next 2.5 months we can still swing the most amazing deals, a Boston Celtics Offseason Prior to Their Title type deadline, if it is there to be had.

Boston had Al Jefferson along w/a #5 lottery pick to deal to get KG & Ray Allen... we have neither.

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11/28/2009  9:04 PM
TMS wrote:
Over the next 2.5 months we can still swing the most amazing deals, a Boston Celtics Offseason Prior to Their Title type deadline, if it is there to be had.

Boston had Al Jefferson along w/a #5 lottery pick to deal to get KG & Ray Allen... we have neither.

Well, according to some, Chandler, Lee, and Nate are probably a whole lot better than that asset pool!

So, we're set bud!


But, well, you get the point. We're flexible....with a plan. A plan that could be potentially consummated sooner than later. (Hey, what if we grab Boozer who agrees to an extension and then Melo in the offseason with our cap space?)

You know, things like that.

What we DONT WANT TO DO IS TWO THINGS:

1) (John Gabriel has done it before) Continue to shed contracts expecting a max free agent (Tim Duncan) to join your team, get spurned, and still spend 3 more years of shedding salary hoping to land that same free agent again (Tim Duncan) only to strike out twice and leave your team screwed and trying to sign second tier talent, one of who was crippled, to dual max contracts (T-Me and G-Cripple).

2) Be the Bulls. We rebuilt. We have cap space (Nobody takes it) SOMEONE take our cap space PLEASE!! (no one takes it) Malcontent player gets ditched by multiple soon to be contending teams and gets desperate (Jalen Rose) and said team throws him the max because they have it and no one else will take it (Chicago Bulls).


That, is....potentially our future....with us purposely remaining a mess hoping for the NEXT big time FA market - OR - giving it to whoever will take it! (Joe Johnson) and remaining mediocre as a result.

Yeah, those are possibilities to happen.Unfortunately.

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