I was actually joking when I came up with this idea but this franchise has become so desperate, that I think I would pull the trigger on these moves if I was Walsh.

Honestly, what do we have to lose? At least Gallo and Douglas would be starting in this scenario and getting minutes.

orangeblobman wrote:hmm..if we can move curry with chandler for t-mac, we take that

Nobody wants chandler at this point.

TRU wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:hmm..if we can move curry with chandler for t-mac, we take that

Nobody wants chandler at this point.

you think so? i think all players on knicks suffering right now from the bad environment. he go to good team, he perk up.

oh god, i just realized we say same thing when isiah here.

TRU wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

TRU wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:hmm..if we can move curry with chandler for t-mac, we take that

Nobody wants chandler at this point.

you think so? i think all players on knicks suffering right now from the bad environment. he go to good team, he perk up.

oh god, i just realized we say same thing when isiah here.

It's really hard to play here. Chandler clearly doesn't have what it takes. In fact, failing here may have seriously been a detriment to his confidence... it may take a while for him to recover.

if I'm a GM, I'm looking at Chandler as damaged goods. The numbers speak for themselves.

ah, yea, good point. i see his interview with tina c., and he look so shy and not able to handle the stage!

TRU wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

TRU wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:hmm..if we can move curry with chandler for t-mac, we take that

Nobody wants chandler at this point.

you think so? i think all players on knicks suffering right now from the bad environment. he go to good team, he perk up.

oh god, i just realized we say same thing when isiah here.

It's really hard to play here. Chandler clearly doesn't have what it takes. In fact, failing here may have seriously been a detriment to his confidence... it may take a while for him to recover.

if I'm a GM, I'm looking at Chandler as damaged goods. The numbers speak for themselves.

Wow I didn't see anyone saying that about Wilson Chandler last yr when Gallup wasn't playing his position.

The knicks have told this Wilson to play out of position and for some reason he has chose to try and do what gallup does well by preferring to shoot the 3 ball.

Why didn't Chandler have these issues we see this yr last yr, the kid was progressing well.

Now with Dantoni inserting gallup in the starting lineup , wilson chandler has to be and do what gallanari can't do play PF. Why does this have to be? Basically the coach has chosen to put the gall in position to look good and wilson has to be the one to find his way.

orangeblobman wrote:

playa2 wrote:

TRU wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

TRU wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:hmm..if we can move curry with chandler for t-mac, we take that

Nobody wants chandler at this point.

you think so? i think all players on knicks suffering right now from the bad environment. he go to good team, he perk up.

oh god, i just realized we say same thing when isiah here.

It's really hard to play here. Chandler clearly doesn't have what it takes. In fact, failing here may have seriously been a detriment to his confidence... it may take a while for him to recover.

if I'm a GM, I'm looking at Chandler as damaged goods. The numbers speak for themselves.

Wow I didn't see anyone saying that about Wilson Chandler last yr when Gallup wasn't playing his position.

The knicks have told this Wilson to play out of position and for some reason he has chose to try and do what gallup does well by preferring to shoot the 3 ball.

Why didn't Chandler have these issues we see this yr last yr, the kid was progressing well.

Now with Dantoni inserting gallup in the starting lineup , wilson chandler has to be and do what gallanari can't do play PF. Why does this have to be? Basically the coach has chosen to put the gall in position to look good and wilson has to be the one to find his way.

that's not true

i agree that Wilson's development has been hurt be being yanked around so much. he's been played at SG, SF and PF. he's clearly a SF. maybe he can play some 4 next to a good center, but lee is not a good center, lee is a four. our team is mismatched parts with no leader.

look at the lineup Charlotte has assembled:

PG Felton
SG SJackson
SF GWallace
PF Diaw
C Chandler

that's a team where every man is playing his true position. it's such a better lineup than we've been able to put on the floor for years. it's not a great team, but it's a team of parts that compliment each other and make sense. why haven't we been able to do that for 10 years now?

s3231 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:the idea that Chandler is a valuable trade chip at this point is hilarious. he's always been overrated by this board. he's just not that smart. i like him. i want him to get it, but he doesn't get it.

i don't think there's anyway we get Tmac. there is absolutely no chance in hell Houston takes Jeffries or Curry for Tmac. none. that's not happening. they won't take a deal that runs past this summer. we could offer them expirings - duhon, hughes, mobley, harrington... but really... would ANY of those guys crack their rotation? no. tmac is never happening.

i would sign iverson though, as i've mentioned briefly.

I don't like Chandler much at all and think he has been overrated like hell (and I thought the same last season). That isn't to say that I think he is crap because I think he does some things well. But I just don't see him becoming the type of player Walsh and D'Antoni talk about.

I agree that I don't see Houston liking Chandler enough to take on Curry's contract. Although honestly, if they really want to ship out McGrady they might consider it if Chandler and Curry pick it up (and don't forget Mobley's contract).

However, I do think Houston has made it clear that they would trade McGrady for expirings. In our situation, if we give them Mobley they save a lot of money so I think they would pull the trigger on a Hughes + Mobley deal.

If we did that, would you be up making that Iverson-McGrady duo happening?

no, i think it should be one or the other. frankly, i've never been a mcgrady fan. i think he's a lot more of a pouting prima donna than Iverson ever has been. McGrady will go out to get his numbers. Iverson plays his ass off to try to win the game. there is a difference. iverson truly cares about winning and he wants to be playing and leading. maybe he's not good enough anymore to do it and that's a problem, but at least iverson cares. i question whether mcgrady does or not.

i would not be totally opposed to getting mcgrady for hughes/mobley. you try it at this point. but mcgrady is a guy who shuts it down if he's not happy. you'd be gambling that he realizes he needs to do something positive this season if he ever wants another contract and i'm not sure he's aware enough to realize that. also, he's coming back from serious surgery at this point and he may just not have it.

iverson has lost a step or two, but still has the basics of what make his game work. and he's averaged about 7 assists a game for the last 5 seasons or so. he creates shots for other guys. he draws attention.

i'd take iverson over mcgrady, basically.

You know the Knicks are pretty pathetic when even Isiah out of all people would've done the right thing and sign Iverson.

TMS wrote:Isiah would be trading future 1st round picks & signing those guys to multi year huge money extensions... getting AI & trading for T-Mac actually fits perfectly under the 2010 plan that Donnie Walsh supposedly wanted to implement when he got here.

I agree totally. Should've signed AI and traded for T-Mac already. Can't understand for the life of me the logic in not going after both of these guys. This team is beyond terrible right now. Getting AI and T-Mac would've gone a long way with trying to salvage the rest of this season plus it wouldn't have interfered with the 2010 plan IN THE SLIGHTEST. So what's the problem?? Shame on them for passing on AI and shame on them if they don't at least make an offer for T-Mac. I don't even care if we had to include Chandler to get McGrady, not a problem, get it done. Maybe I even give them Gallo to get it done (I'm still against giving up any future picks in a deal -- as a rebuilding team with an uncertain future, I can't justify giving up any future 1st round picks at this point -- we have enough available assets already on the roster to sweeten up a McGrady deal for Houston if need be, starting with Mobley's expiring contract, Gallo or Chandler)..And F all this "monitoring the situation" nonsense with McGrady -- they should've traded for this guy ALREADY and concentrated on nursing him back to health in a Knicks uniform. Now Curry's hurt again (knee)..Complicates things again just a tad, though I don't think it's believed to be serious. He's only expected to miss one game (MRI was clean). Curry's weight is down, he appears in the right frame of mind and he's shown flashes of production since he's been back...Man, getting T-Mac to play with Allen Iverson for the rest of the year AND also possibly getting Curry off the books in one big swoop?? What the hell is wrong with that Donnie and Mike?? Tell us. They're both no-brainer moves to make. It's exactly what they should be doing. If it didn't work out either because AI turned out to be some kind of problem or T-Mac never got healthy, hey whatever man, they tried and as a Knick fan I'll respect the attempt to try and salvage this lost season & live with it. They both expire at the end of the year and come right off the books. No harm no foul.. Even if both players did nothing, they still would've gotten Curry off the books for next year in this scenario which would be a HUGE positive..

You make those moves and for the rest of the year you go to war with this lineup:

1 - Douglas/Nate
2 - Iverson/Hughes/Nate
3 - McGrady/Harrington
4 - Lee/Hill/Jeffries
5 - Hill/Darko/Jeffries

I'd start my two prized rookies and begin to lean on them a little bit (the experience would be invaluable for both guys) and I'd finally move Lee to his natural position where he belongs..Incorporate either Gallo or Chandler into the mix, whoever doesn't go in the T-Mac deal. If it were up to me though, this leftover asset would be shipped off in a seperate deal to try and land Ricky Rubio. And if Duhon and Jeffries got fazed out, SO F'ing what. Duhon's been terrible and has nobody to blame but himself if he lost his spot and Jeffries hasn't done a thing in the world to deserve any of the PT he does manage to get (never did anything to even get the damn contract Zeke gave him in the first place). If both of these guys never played again in a Knicks uniform I wouldn't care at all..

This is what you do. End of story. If nothing worked out with that lineup this year, OK, I'll be fine COMPLETELY starting over next off-season with Douglas, Hill, our 2 2nd round picks and a boatload of cap room, enough for 2 max. FAs minus Eddy Curry..It's the only plan that makes any sense right now, for this year, next year and beyond...Shame on them for not realizing it and going after it.