I would go 8 man and cut Duhon and JJ out.

Lee
Hill
Gallinari
TD
Hughes

Harrington
Chandler
Nate

However, I had no idea his 'system' required him to send out a midget line up every night, and to not play his best players.

There is no Defense in MDA's system, and there is now no defense of MDA.

I was all for getting MDA. But now? I feel a bit cheated, and fooled.

There is no excuse.

JohnWallace44 wrote:They're still not running his system when Duhon is walking it up the floor.

Duhon unfortunately can't be benched because there's no PG on the team other than him.

You can have Nate, TD, and Hughes play for stretches, but it won't work for major minutes.

Because TD can't be the starting PG on a .214% team?

Who the F cares? We're losing games, down 20 every single time.

Send a message. Bench Lee & Duhon. Let the sit an entire game. Maybe they will wake up.

Worse thing that happens, we lose by 20. Oh, ok 30.

JohnWallace44 wrote:They're still not running his system when Duhon is walking it up the floor.

Duhon unfortunately can't be benched because there's no PG on the team other than him.

You can have Nate, TD, and Hughes play for stretches, but it won't work for major minutes.

exactly what does Duhon do while in the game? Other than the pick and roll I don't see what else and like Phil Jackson said, "you can run the pick and roll but it's not effective once teams adjust to it".

Get Duhon out of there please!!!!

Martice wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:They're still not running his system when Duhon is walking it up the floor.

Duhon unfortunately can't be benched because there's no PG on the team other than him.

You can have Nate, TD, and Hughes play for stretches, but it won't work for major minutes.

exactly what does Duhon do while in the game? Other than the pick and roll I don't see what else and like Phil Jackson said, "you can run the pick and roll but it's not effective once teams adjust to it".

Get Duhon out of there please!!!!

Record speaks for itself....you can't play Duhon just because there is no true point guard on the roster. If that's the case then you fire the GM and/or the coach because there is no way you continue to go on like this....

I mean D'antoni acts like he is gooming Duhon to be the long term solution at point guard. There is nothing that Duhon does that says you need to resign him in any capasity. I'm afraid that I can't be a Knicks fan for too much longer with Chris Duhon running the Knicks offense. Toney Douglas comes in cold off the bench and imediately is a factor on the court...The guy hasn't been racking up assists but you would think he was with his solid play.

Yeah man Duhon/Jared/Chandler....they all need to be benched....these guys getting big minutes is the reason the Knicks are where they are now...I would actually go as far as to say fire D'antoni because he won't drastically reduce the minutes...I also would say fire Donnie cuz he didn't fire D'antoni and cuz he didn't sign Iverson.

There is no coincidence that when D'antoni went to Toney Douglas/Jordan Hill and Nate that they started to come back against the Lakers. I'm sick of this bull**** already. Bunch of ****ing liars.

kam77 wrote:I have to laugh every time i see a post talking about firing the coach or firing the GM. It's not even worth a debate. You guys need to open a window or something. Get some fresh air. It's not about this season. Never was. NEVER WAS!

yeah but you don't give up trying to win games...especially when there is no insentive to lose cuz their is no 1st round draft pick.

If they aren't playing the youth they shoulda signed Iverson....they are a bunch of liars.

kam77 wrote:I have to laugh every time i see a post talking about firing the coach or firing the GM. It's not even worth a debate. You guys need to open a window or something. Get some fresh air. It's not about this season. Never was. NEVER WAS!

I think you have a pretty good idea that D'Antoni isn't the coach that some believed he was and that his deficits outweigh the strengths of his "system". The fact that D'Antoni will not make adjustments to make his team successful now is the same reason why he isn't in Chicago or Phoenix.

Totally agree. If Lee is our best player as BRIGGS suggests, its no wonder we suck. If Lee is really our best player, we have the worst best player in the league. Find me a team in the NBA whose best player isn't as good as Lee. Seriously, if you dont have the horses, you aint winning in this league; plain and simple. I dont care who the coach is. Its one thing to not like MDA, thats fine. But at least be objective.

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

kam77 wrote:I have to laugh every time i see a post talking about firing the coach or firing the GM. It's not even worth a debate. You guys need to open a window or something. Get some fresh air. It's not about this season. Never was. NEVER WAS!

I think you have a pretty good idea that D'Antoni isn't the coach that some believed he was and that his deficits outweigh the strengths of his "system". The fact that D'Antoni will not make adjustments to make his team successful now is the same reason why he isn't in Chicago or Phoenix.

They really really really wanted him in CHI. And in PHO, they traded for Shaq, and it went so well, they traded him again and went back to what was working: MDA's system.

IMO, Mike hasn't done the best with his current group of guys, but those guys also pretty much suck. What he going to do, slow it down and let Al or Curry play post up? Run a half court offense where efficiency and looking for the best shot is key?

I don't see where anyone is calling for his head--but he comes off as a tad pompous. I think he has has to be more flexible in terms of *trying* two bigs--i.e Hill and Lee and perhaps remove Duhon--maybe even remove him from the team and ask for an upgrade. We've been down 15 or more in every game except two--I think we can do better than that. Too much reliance on guys who are not doing the job--not enough favor for guys showing that MIGHT be able to to the job--but next step is actually letting them play 30+ minutes--I think we have reached that point.

I am wondering if this is the situation and Walsh and MDA know it: If they give extended minutes to Toney and Hill, they will definitely (and eventually with those minutes) outplay some of the vets they would like to trade, thus deserving more minutes, etc. Now *outplay* might be strong, but at least play in a manor in which the media and fans would rather see those guys on the court rather than those they are replacing. And then it's a catch 22 in regards to trying to trade those same players.

So, the excuse of wanting the rooks to catch up a bit in terms of what to do on the court can and may last a bit longer....

Who knows.

fishmike wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

kam77 wrote:I have to laugh every time i see a post talking about firing the coach or firing the GM. It's not even worth a debate. You guys need to open a window or something. Get some fresh air. It's not about this season. Never was. NEVER WAS!

I think you have a pretty good idea that D'Antoni isn't the coach that some believed he was and that his deficits outweigh the strengths of his "system". The fact that D'Antoni will not make adjustments to make his team successful now is the same reason why he isn't in Chicago or Phoenix.

They really really really wanted him in CHI. And in PHO, they traded for Shaq, and it went so well, they traded him again and went back to what was working: MDA's system.

IMO, Mike hasn't done the best with his current group of guys, but those guys also pretty much suck. What he going to do, slow it down and let Al or Curry play post up? Run a half court offense where efficiency and looking for the best shot is key?

I don't see where anyone is calling for his head--but he comes off as a tad pompous. I think he has has to be more flexible in terms of *trying* two bigs--i.e Hill and Lee and perhaps remove Duhon--maybe even remove him from the team and ask for an upgrade. We've been down 15 or more in every game except two--I think we can do better than that. Too much reliance on guys who are not doing the job--not enough favor for guys showing that MIGHT be able to to the job--but next step is actually letting them play 30+ minutes--I think we have reached that point.

I am wondering if this is the situation and Walsh and MDA know it: If they give extended minutes to Toney and Hill, they will definitely (and eventually with those minutes) outplay some of the vets they would like to trade, thus deserving more minutes, etc. Now *outplay* might be strong, but at least play in a manor in which the media and fans would rather see those guys on the court rather than those they are replacing. And then it's a catch 22 in regards to trying to trade those same players.

So, the excuse of wanting the rooks to catch up a bit in terms of what to do on the court can and may last a bit longer....

Who knows.

I think if they have any hope at all of trading some or any of these guys for picks etc at the deadline then your right, there is no upside to playing the vets less until the trading deadline. Now come Feb I would start them and play them 30 minutes and see what they can do, plain and simple. Hey.. maybe we can use our cap space for Deron Williams since the Jazz will be drafting John Wall

But which vets are being traded? Jefferies and Curry are the main cap holds that I think most would want traded.

That doesn't explain why Duhon continue to play.

And while we can probably move Curry, he got very little playing time last night.

And lets be realistic- who is taking Jefferies off our hands? And does playing him really improve our chances, or make them worse?