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Markji
Posts: 22753 Alba Posts: -4 Joined: 9/14/2007 Member: #1673 USA |
11/24/2009 9:03 AM
Maybe he does act disinterested, but this clip really doesn't show it. He isn't in the game; and it is only for a few seconds. Not a big deal here.
Hill should get some playing time....maybe not against the Celtics in a close game, but soon he deserves a chance. The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense.
Tom Clancy - author
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TheGame
Posts: 26647 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/15/2006 Member: #1154 USA |
11/24/2009 9:32 AM
THey should either give the kid 5 minutes a game or send him to the DL. There is no point in him getting DNP-CD every game.
Trust the Process
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NYKBocker
Posts: 38456 Alba Posts: 474 Joined: 1/14/2003 Member: #377 USA |
11/24/2009 9:37 AM
I agree with Cosmic. Everyone can see that Hill has the ability to be a very good PF in this league, but he does seem like he is disinterested or has ADD. Dude needs to pay attention and show the coaches he is ready to go. The difference between Hill and TD when they were both not getting any time was night and day. TD was in the huddle listening while Hill had this hohum demeanor.
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Bippity10
Posts: 13999 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/26/2004 Member: #574 |
11/24/2009 9:53 AM
NYKBocker wrote:I agree with Cosmic. Everyone can see that Hill has the ability to be a very good PF in this league, but he does seem like he is disinterested or has ADD. Dude needs to pay attention and show the coaches he is ready to go. The difference between Hill and TD when they were both not getting any time was night and day. TD was in the huddle listening while Hill had this hohum demeanor. He's played well and been active when he's on the court, so I'm not sure I see your position. Don't get caught up making assumptions about a player based on watching him on the bench. It's what they do on the court or in practice that matters. I don't know why Mike isn't playing Jordan. But I do know that some things that get fans made do not affect coaches. Most of the reasons why a player is not playing is because of what happens in practice. Things that fans don't see are normally the reason. I don't like seeing Jordan laughing on the bench when his team is losing but until I hear Mike talk about it(remember he doesn't seem to hold back when he doesn't like something. He's honest to a fault)why get upset? I just hope that people will like me
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fishmike
Posts: 53902 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
11/24/2009 9:59 AM
He will look more interested when he's more of the team (playing more). It looks like our 4/5 rotation will be Curry/Lee/Al with some Gallo/Chandler mixed in when we are in smaller line ups. Hill will get more time after we trade Curry for TMac
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
11/24/2009 10:14 AM
When you are in NY and you see people looking up--you know they are simply new to the town:)
RIP Crushalot😞
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GodSaveTheKnicks
Posts: 23952 Alba Posts: 21 Joined: 11/21/2006 Member: #1207 USA |
11/24/2009 10:36 AM
fishmike wrote:He will look more interested when he's more of the team (playing more). It looks like our 4/5 rotation will be Curry/Lee/Al with some Gallo/Chandler mixed in when we are in smaller line ups. Hill will get more time after we trade Curry for TMac Morey said he'd only trade T-mac to the Knicks for expiring contracts. I was hoping we could ship Curry out of town before he balloons up again. Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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fishmike
Posts: 53902 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
11/24/2009 10:48 AM
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:fishmike wrote:He will look more interested when he's more of the team (playing more). It looks like our 4/5 rotation will be Curry/Lee/Al with some Gallo/Chandler mixed in when we are in smaller line ups. Hill will get more time after we trade Curry for TMac then Darko/Mobely/Duhon for McGrady and their pick. We save them a bunch of money and buy their pick back (15-20) "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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NYKBocker
Posts: 38456 Alba Posts: 474 Joined: 1/14/2003 Member: #377 USA |
11/24/2009 11:02 AM
fishmike wrote:GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:fishmike wrote:He will look more interested when he's more of the team (playing more). It looks like our 4/5 rotation will be Curry/Lee/Al with some Gallo/Chandler mixed in when we are in smaller line ups. Hill will get more time after we trade Curry for TMac I like that a lot. We get rid of Dudu in the process. |
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earthmansurfer
Posts: 24005 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/26/2005 Member: #858 Germany |
11/24/2009 12:01 PM
Yeah Cosmic, we all feel your frustration and confusion. They are really set on trading Jeffries and Curry as is apparent and there must be a connection. If we start giving the kid minutes and he does produce, well then, he has got to play, right? IF he plays then he takes minutes from Curry and Jeffries. I don't agree with it, but as you said, this is a losing team so what gives?
Now, we saw with Isiah as well (to a degree) with trusting "your guys", so D'Antoni isn't giving up yet and we are playing better, so perhaps this early in the year it's about gaining a players trust and thereby hoping they perform to their best potential. I really think it has more to do with not wanting Jordan to take minutes from guys they are trying to ship out. Regardless, he will probably be getting minutes soon (in the next month) as he has produced when given a chance. What playing could do for a rookies confidence is huge as the mental game is a big part, so he should play against backups if nothing else. The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift. Albert Einstein
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fishmike
Posts: 53902 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
11/24/2009 12:50 PM
NYKBocker wrote:you push Douglas up in the rotation with Duhon gone. Once (if) TMac comes back healthy he becomes a featured player and guys like Harrington, Chandler, Hughes, etc become 2nd and 3rd options which they are much better suited for.fishmike wrote:GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:fishmike wrote:He will look more interested when he's more of the team (playing more). It looks like our 4/5 rotation will be Curry/Lee/Al with some Gallo/Chandler mixed in when we are in smaller line ups. Hill will get more time after we trade Curry for TMac "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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jimimou
Posts: 23517 Alba Posts: 36 Lame Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 6/6/2004 Member: #681 USA |
11/24/2009 12:53 PM
do you think that getting tmac will hurt trying to showcase and get rid of eddy? right now, eddy has a chance to be the focal point of the offense as he plays himself back into the rotation. if knicks get tmac, he becomes focal point possibly to eddy's detrmient with less passes going into the post. if eddy isnt featured and loses focus, he reverts to his old self then no-one takes him off the knicks hands - being stuck w eddy in 2010 means only one max guy can be signed.
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crzymdups
Posts: 52018 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/1/2004 Member: #671 USA |
11/24/2009 12:55 PM
we know they won't trade for tmac unless they can dump jeffries or curry. we know houston won't take on a contract that runs past this season. i don't see a fit.
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
11/24/2009 1:16 PM
What does it really matter if the kid doesn't play a lot to start the year? It's more important to showcase the guys that we're trying to get rid of then for him to be out there right now. MDA knows from practice what the kid is capable of. He may indeed be ready to do a little something, but we'll NEVER trade Curry or Jared if they aren't playing meaningful minutes and we don't start winning. He has to sacrifice some games in order to do that. Hill will be just fine. He's 22 and part of the future what's a few games gonna matter?
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Cosmic
Posts: 26570 Alba Posts: 27 Joined: 3/17/2006 Member: #1115 USA |
11/24/2009 2:14 PM
Nix, You can still showcase the guys you want to dump AND get Jordan Hill involved. There are 240 minutes per game to dole out amongst everyone you choose to play. It's not hard to take those you want to showcase and say "Well, let's drop that from 240 to 230 and get Jordan Hill in there for 10 of them." So it's poor reasoning IMO.
ESM: Yeah, I am frustrated that a lotto pick can't get any burn - even though I recognize he's not all that good right now - which just makes me MORE frustrated to be honest. Fish: Well, not playing isn't an excuse for not learning. If you play hard and seek to learn? You will get minutes. The attitude of "Well, I'm not playing, so who cares what's going on." Is an indictment of a poor attitude. That attitude might very well be one reason why he doesn't play. So it is something that I watch and every time I see Jordan Hill? He just acts like he doesn't care what is going on. A bit disheartening to say the least. Bip: He has played okay when on the court. Let's not say well because on the one hand he had a few good scores - but - they were on trash players. On the other hand he got burnt a few times and fouled a few times out of desperation, again, against some trash players. So we can't really say he's looked good based on that. Briggs: LOL!!!! Ain't it the truth! Bocker: You got it as I did. I don't like seeing that. Mark: This one clip doesn't illustrate the totality of his attitude. It's one of dozens that, if I had kept the footage, I would be providing to prove my point that he seems quite content to have been made a multi-millionaire by virtue of an NBA-GUARANTEED-LOTTO-PICK-CONTRACT and nothing more. This one clip is already just a drop in the bucket. The next few games as you watch them take special note of Jordan Hill as they show him from time to time. You'll see what is going on.
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SupremeCommander
Posts: 34071 Alba Posts: 35 Joined: 4/28/2006 Member: #1127 |
11/24/2009 2:25 PM
I'm sick of this "play guys to trade them" baloney. Everyone and their mother knows what Ared Effries brings to the table. Curry should play when the matchup dictates it. Just because he can score in the paint doesn't mean he should be forcefed the ball a la Isiah. And why play Nate, Lee, and Harrington extensive minutes if they aren't playing well? So dumb. Lean on the future as much as possible now and hope they learn from the failures and one of the turns into Zach Greinke
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earthmansurfer
Posts: 24005 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/26/2005 Member: #858 Germany |
11/24/2009 2:50 PM
Hey Cosmic, just to correct you. Hill played 5 years of organized ball. In interviews, which I've seen, he is VERY VERY clear about his love for the game. So, at least you can have solace there. He may not come across as very passionate but he is clearly a bit shy, but don't let that put too much weight on the kid.
He has improved every year after being a nobody when he first came out of HS. Lute Olson saw something in him and so did Walsh (As well as most scouts). I'm not saying he will live up to it all, but sometimes when we are going through a terrible season as fans we only see the bad. He looked good and active his last game. (What is interesting is that a lot of high picks this last draft aren't showing so much early on- Derozan and Thabeet come to mind as well as Harden for a time. Throw others into the mix). Lastly he improved a lot over the summer league and then again in pre-season. He did that in college as well. Let's give the guy a chance and hope D'Antoni does it sooner rather than later. The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift. Albert Einstein
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
11/24/2009 2:54 PM
Jared isn't great, but he understands defensive positioning and can cover more ground than Hill right now. Jared has very good lateral movement and Hill doesn't. Hill has way more talent, but right now I can understand why MDA plays Jared.
Curry is a guy that can't be ignored inside and it makes a difference how teams play us defensively. Just cuz he's not clicking yet doesn't mean you don't try to focus on getting him going. If Curry can get up to a point where he's flowing in the offense, it's gonna make us better. IF he gets really good, then we have a better chance to move his contract and that is REALLY big for us in 2010. |
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Bippity10
Posts: 13999 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/26/2004 Member: #574 |
11/24/2009 3:01 PM
Cosmic wrote:Nix, You can still showcase the guys you want to dump AND get Jordan Hill involved. There are 240 minutes per game to dole out amongst everyone you choose to play. It's not hard to take those you want to showcase and say "Well, let's drop that from 240 to 230 and get Jordan Hill in there for 10 of them." So it's poor reasoning IMO. You seem to be changing the subject as you post. Your original post said he was lazy and disinterested. Yet his play when he has gotten on the court has not reflected this. His energy level has actually been very noticeable when he is on the court. Who cares what type of competition that comes against. Now if you want to argue that he wasn't the right pick that's a completely different argument. But what i'm saying is that you can't take a few split second clips from the camera on him laughing and assume that this is a major issue with him. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but why jump to conclusions??? I just hope that people will like me
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