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fishmike
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11/23/2009  9:11 AM
Hahn: McGrady can be had, but it'll cost Knicks
November 21, 2009 by ALAN HAHN / alan.hahn@newsday.com


The Houston Rockets are in no rush to get seven-time all-star Tracy McGrady back on the court, which is telling for a blue-collar team that is grinding it out right now for coach Rick Adelman.

There's actually nothing more to tell. The Rockets believe they're better off without him. Adelman has the Rockets competing at an admirable level every night even without Yao Ming (out for the season with an ankle injury). More importantly, Adelman finally has the locker room under control with Ron Artest off to the Lakers and McGrady, who subscribes to the Allen Iverson theory on practice, mostly persona non grata among the players while he recovers from a knee injury. And the Rockets want to keep it that way.

Enter the Knicks. They weren't prepared to deal with the baggage that Iverson brings with him, but as Donnie Walsh continues to search for ways to upgrade this season's team - which might barely eclipse 20 wins as currently constituted - catering to McGrady's diva-esque personality might be a lesser evil.

Multiple sources say the Knicks - who are owned by Cablevision, which also owns Newsday - have tried since the summer to engage the Rockets in trade talks for McGrady but have been unsuccessful. However, an opportunity could present itself after the latest episode - a reported spat with Adelman about McGrady's return schedule - that reportedly even has infuriated Rockets owner Leslie Alexander, who used to be one of McGrady's staunchest supporters.

What would it take? The Rockets would love to get a high-end young player for McGrady and also save some money, which suggests they also would look for an expiring contract or two. It will take more than one to make up McGrady's league-high $23.2-million salary this season.

The Knicks could offer Eddy Curry, who could make up for the loss of Yao and has only one more year left on his contract after this season; add an expiring contract such as Chris Duhon, Al Harrington or Larry Hughes, and toss in someone such as Wilson Chandler as a sweetener.

The Knicks might have to consider using the contract of retired guard Cuttino Mobley, however, if they really want to pique the interest of Alexander and general manager Daryl Morey.

Mobley is on the books for $9.5 million this season, but 80 percent is being paid by insurance because of his medical retirement. The NBA in the coming weeks will review and officially declare Mobley retired for medical reasons after the one-year anniversary of the discovery of the increased severity of his heart condition.

The Knicks planned to waive Mobley, which would wipe his salary off the cap. For the Rockets, who are a few million over the luxury-tax threshold, this could be a valuable savings. Alexander has never hesitated to spend for a playoff team, but it might be asking this group - as gritty as it is - to be among the top eight in April.

And, again, to detach themselves from McGrady might be addition by subtraction.

In Mike D'Antoni's system, the 6-8 McGrady could play as a big point guard. Like Iverson, he would come with a separate set of rules, but unlike Iverson, McGrady rarely is a problem off the court. Most of all, he would be a free agent next summer, and at 30 years old, he's on a mission to get another long-term deal.

The main concern, of course, is that he's healthy enough to be effective.

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11/23/2009  9:20 AM
McGrady and Landry for Curry, Duhon, Mobely and Chandler. Man this would be a big boost
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11/23/2009  9:20 AM
Ya know, I miss Hahn's contibutions to the boards, but if I read one more "the Knicks - who are owned by Cablevision, which also owns Newsday", I was gonna SCREAM!!
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11/23/2009  9:22 AM
To dump Eddy Curry - allowing you to tell LeBron we can sign a second max FA of his choosing - thus allowing us to start build a powerful team in one fell swoop:

YOU GIVE HOUSTON JUST ABOUT ANYTHING IT WANTS

To make this happen.

Eddy Curry + Any combination of: Lee, Nate, Chandler, Harrington, Hughes, Duhon, Mobley, the 2nd rounders we have --- any and all of it to make the financial aspect of the trade work - to turn Eddy Curry's 2011 contract into a 2010 expiring.

You just do.

Lee and Nate won't be here next year. Nate is a spaz. Lee is a doormat. Enough already with pretending they'll get it together and become superstars. They won't. Adios.
Harrington might if retained cheaply but Hughes, Duhon, Mobley clearly won't be. So, adios.
Chandler isn't going to be a superstar....a 2nd max FA is...so you cough him up for the opportunity to get that 2nd max (everyone following here?) Adios.

Get it done.

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11/23/2009  9:26 AM
I'm with the idea of sending Curry out of town with an expiring or two, I don't care whose it is. Just get it done if it's really a possibility.
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11/23/2009  9:36 AM
I'm all for it. You have my permission, Donnie Walsh. McGrady needs a change of scenery and he might suddenly become very healthy here. I doubt MDA want's to trade his favorite point guard, Chris Duhon, so probably Chandler will go.

Will anyone miss Chandler??

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11/23/2009  9:50 AM
Cosmic wrote:To dump Eddy Curry - allowing you to tell LeBron we can sign a second max FA of his choosing - thus allowing us to start build a powerful team in one fell swoop:

YOU GIVE HOUSTON JUST ABOUT ANYTHING IT WANTS

To make this happen.

Eddy Curry + Any combination of: Lee, Nate, Chandler, Harrington, Hughes, Duhon, Mobley, the 2nd rounders we have --- any and all of it to make the financial aspect of the trade work - to turn Eddy Curry's 2011 contract into a 2010 expiring.

You just do.

Lee and Nate won't be here next year. Nate is a spaz. Lee is a doormat. Enough already with pretending they'll get it together and become superstars. They won't. Adios.
Harrington might if retained cheaply but Hughes, Duhon, Mobley clearly won't be. So, adios.
Chandler isn't going to be a superstar....a 2nd max FA is...so you cough him up for the opportunity to get that 2nd max (everyone following here?) Adios.

Get it done.

As much as a lot of fans want to dump Lee, this will not going to happen without his permissions and I doubt he wants to go to Rockets.
Otherwise it looks doable and desireble. Can be an interesting turn of events.

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11/23/2009  9:53 AM
the question is would they take Curry? I highly doubt it. Curry has just as much money committed as McGrady does. $11M this year and $11M next year is actually probably a more burdensome commitment than one year $23M for McGrady.

i think the rockets would deal but it might have to be more like Mobley, Harrington and Chandler for McGrady. I don't see them taking a contract that runs past this year, especially Curry. Next year they expect Yao to be back and having Yao and Curry on the same team would be a disaster.

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11/23/2009  9:54 AM
orangeblobman wrote:I'm all for it. You have my permission, Donnie Walsh. McGrady needs a change of scenery and he might suddenly become very healthy here. I doubt MDA want's to trade his favorite point guard, Chris Duhon, so probably Chandler will go.

Will anyone miss Chandler??

No. At least not until he's pulls an Ariza and the Rockets end up in the finals.

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11/23/2009  10:12 AM
crzymdups wrote:the question is would they take Curry? I highly doubt it. Curry has just as much money committed as McGrady does. $11M this year and $11M next year is actually probably a more burdensome commitment than one year $23M for McGrady.

i think the rockets would deal but it might have to be more like Mobley, Harrington and Chandler for McGrady. I don't see them taking a contract that runs past this year, especially Curry. Next year they expect Yao to be back and having Yao and Curry on the same team would be a disaster.


a few things though..
1) the need a center, and Eddy is a center.
2) I know Eddy doesnt have a reliable past but he's never looked like this in his whole career
3) Houston doesnt want TMac
4) This deal saves Houston a lot of money. IF you combine Mobley/Curry Houston can retire Mobley, collect 80% of his salary from insurance and his # comes off the cap taking them out of luxury land.

crunch the numbers:

Curry + Cuttino = $20mm
TMac = $23.5mm
Knicks throw in $3mm
Rockets get $5.5mm from Mobely's insurance (80% of 3/4 if his remaining salary 2010)

Rockets save $12mm this year, so the trade is money is a push when you look at them adding Eddy's $11.

Also the Rockets are in the luxury tax, so the immediate savings this should be extremely attractive.

Your offering the Rockets $12mm of savings this year, getting rid of a player they dont want and giving them another player that fills an immediate and pressing need.

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11/23/2009  10:52 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/23/2009  10:56 AM
fishmike wrote:

Your offering the Rockets $12mm of savings this year, getting rid of a player they dont want and giving them another player that fills an immediate and pressing need.

i agree with that, but it also limits their flexibility in 2010-11 and creates a possible problem of having Curry and Yao on their team in 2010-11 season. it's a luxury tax savings, but not a huge one.

i agree it seems like a possible fit, and i hope it's the reason they passed on iverson because nothing else makes sense to me regarding passing on Iverson.

but the Houston GM is one of those guys who looks at all the stats and when you look at curry and see his lack of blocks, rebounds and assists and his high propensity for turnovers, not to mention his propensity for getting injured... i dunno. i don't see a smart GM wanting Curry. i bet the Rockets think they're better off with what they have at center and waiting to see if someone else offers a more attractive package for McGrady.

if we REALLY think McGrady is necessary this season we can offer a package of expirings for him that would be attractive to houston.

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11/23/2009  11:00 AM
Sangfroid wrote:Ya know, I miss Hahn's contibutions to the boards, but if I read one more "the Knicks - who are owned by Cablevision, which also owns Newsday", I was gonna SCREAM!!

To be fair, I don't think that's his decision to stick that in there.

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11/23/2009  11:11 AM
Who the heck would take on that much salary? We're one of the few teams with enough overpaid guys to make a deal like this. In this instance our huge contracts actually help us to make
a deal for a guy with a huge contract. It's a win win IMO. I'm just glad something seems to have a chance of getting done to move Curry.
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11/23/2009  11:25 AM
crzymdups wrote:
fishmike wrote:

Your offering the Rockets $12mm of savings this year, getting rid of a player they dont want and giving them another player that fills an immediate and pressing need.

i agree with that, but it also limits their flexibility in 2010-11 and creates a possible problem of having Curry and Yao on their team in 2010-11 season. it's a luxury tax savings, but not a huge one.

i agree it seems like a possible fit, and i hope it's the reason they passed on iverson because nothing else makes sense to me regarding passing on Iverson.

but the Houston GM is one of those guys who looks at all the stats and when you look at curry and see his lack of blocks, rebounds and assists and his high propensity for turnovers, not to mention his propensity for getting injured... i dunno. i don't see a smart GM wanting Curry. i bet the Rockets think they're better off with what they have at center and waiting to see if someone else offers a more attractive package for McGrady.

if we REALLY think McGrady is necessary this season we can offer a package of expirings for him that would be attractive to houston.

one thing about Curry in the past... no matter what his issues he's never been a bad teammate or malcontent. Also, once Yao comes back he CANT play heavy minutes. They really need to limit his time and Curry gives them a 2nd option. Heck.. you could even play them a bit together with Yao's great mid range shot.

Lastly remember the luxury savings is in addition to the $12mm the save this year. Not sure how the luxury tax is calculated intra year, so I didnt include.

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11/23/2009  11:49 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/23/2009  11:59 AM
from realgm...the mcgrady drinking game:

Mr. E wrote:
As you may have noticed over the past several months on the Trade Board and on occassional threads from visiting posters here: there are some in New York who would like to acquire Tracy McGrady's expiring deal. They offer several "proposals," usually identical, but labelled as "new ideas" or "original."

They are pretty much universally bad for Houston.

That said, they haven't stopped yet, and they're not going to stop any time soon, so rather than get frustrated with them I figured that we could have some fun, kill some brain cells and completely annhilate our livers with the Official McGrady Trade Drinking Game!!!

These rules operate under the assumption that you are drinking beer with a liquor of your choice available to do shots as needed.

Rule One: When a McGrady to NY deal is proposed, you must take a drink.

Rule Two: If the person proposing the deal refers to the deal as "perfect", you must take a drink.

Rule Three: If the deal involves Eddy Curry or Jared Jeffries coming back to Houston as part of the McGrady deal, you must take a drink.

Rule Four: If the deal involves Eddy Curry AND Jared Jeffries coming back to Houston, you must do a shot chased by a drink.

Rule Five: If Eddy Curry is mentioned as a replacement for Yao, you must take a drink

Rule Six: If the person proposing the trade mentions Eddy Curry's stats from 2006, or mentions that he is only a couple years removed from having a great season, you must do a shot.

Rule Seven: If the person proposing the trade mentions that Jared Jeffries is a good defender who can play the 3, 4 or 5, then you must take a drink.

Rule Eight: If the person proposing the trade is grudgingly willing to throw in Wilson Chandler or Jordan Hill…as long as they get back either Carl Landry, Shane Battier, Trevor Ariza, Luis Scola, a First Round Pick or Aaron Brooks…then you must take a drink.

Rule Nine: If Cuttino Mobley’s contract is presented as an incentive for Houston to do the deal, you must do the drink/shot combo.

Rule Ten: If the person proposing the trade gets angry and indignant over the Rockets fans declining it and proceeds to start insulting them and mentioning that “our team sucks” (or similar comments) then you must finish your drink.

Rule Eleven: If the poster proposing the trade says something along the lines of "If Curry can look good for a couple weeks, then Houston will take him" you must take a drink.

Rule Twelve: If the person proposing the trade refers to Larry Hughes as a good fit (ignoring the impact of Ariza, Budinger, or Battier) then you do a shot, no chaser.

Feel free to add any rules that seem appropriate. As of right now I believe that the first ten should be good enough to keep us all completely ****faced for the duration of the season.

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=958079

the entire houston fanbase may be in detox for a decade

the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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11/23/2009  11:52 AM
nixluva wrote:Who the heck would take on that much salary?

anybody looking to knock 23 mil off next years cap

the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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11/23/2009  11:55 AM
lol.. but money talks and bad contracts walk. Bottom line is this deal saves Houston a whole lot of money.

Bottom line is Curry will help them and they lose a headache player they have no use for.

If they can do better than go for it... but the Knicks are one of the few teams that can offer them $12mm in savings this year.

Now buy me a pint, and I will finish it

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11/23/2009  12:06 PM
fishmike wrote:lol.. but money talks and bad contracts walk. Bottom line is this deal saves Houston a whole lot of money.

Bottom line is Curry will help them and they lose a headache player they have no use for.

If they can do better than go for it... but the Knicks are one of the few teams that can offer them $12mm in savings this year.

Now buy me a pint, and I will finish it

Bottom line... Huston will may think about it for just expiring (Like Larry, Al, Mobley, Darko, Duhon combination).
But if Eddy or JJ will be mentiond, forget about it...

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11/23/2009  12:09 PM
arkrud wrote:
fishmike wrote:lol.. but money talks and bad contracts walk. Bottom line is this deal saves Houston a whole lot of money.

Bottom line is Curry will help them and they lose a headache player they have no use for.

If they can do better than go for it... but the Knicks are one of the few teams that can offer them $12mm in savings this year.

Now buy me a pint, and I will finish it

Bottom line... Huston will may think about it for just expiring (Like Larry, Al, Mobley, Darko, Duhon combination).
But if Eddy or JJ will be mentiond, forget about it...

then you wait. Make Houston find a better package, and good luck. We are offering them $12mm in savings to a team thats in the luxury tax this year, not to mention the fact that it fills a need for them. If they arent taking JJ or Curry I will pass (for now)
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11/23/2009  12:10 PM
arkrud wrote:
fishmike wrote:lol.. but money talks and bad contracts walk. Bottom line is this deal saves Houston a whole lot of money.

Bottom line is Curry will help them and they lose a headache player they have no use for.

If they can do better than go for it... but the Knicks are one of the few teams that can offer them $12mm in savings this year.

Now buy me a pint, and I will finish it

Bottom line... Huston will may think about it for just expiring (Like Larry, Al, Mobley, Darko, Duhon combination).
But if Eddy or JJ will be mentiond, forget about it...

only way I consider giving them the Mobely contract for TMac and just expirings like you mentioned is if I get their first rounder back. Thats worth the $7-$8mm in savings that trade gets them. Otherwise no thanks.
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