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Measuring The Progress Of Eddy Slim Fast
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misterearl
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11/22/2009  10:31 AM
Now that the fat jokes have faded to Bolivian, it is about time basketball watchers came up with some appropriate adjectives for Eddy Curry. Put yourself in the expensive suit of an NBA general manager. You are empowered with the task of evaluating the 6'11 Curry for the purpose of acquiring his skill set for your franchise.

You must provide a concise written analysis to distribute at your next executive huddle. Oh, one more thing - your job status is on the line.

As a fan, I am looking for one thing and one thing only... when Kendrick Perkins pushes Eddy this afternoon, how hard will Mr Curry push back?

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11/22/2009  10:32 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/22/2009  10:47 AM
he's looking mean out there. his facial expressions tell the story. where in the past he looked chubby and disinterested, yesterday against the nets he looked angry and ready to rip stuff up.

you also gotta love his activity level on offense. i saw a bunch of times where he came out to set a pick and then rolled pretty well. they didn't hit him off every time, but that didn't deter him. very strong in the post, very strong.

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11/22/2009  10:43 AM
He played some excellent, aggressive, active defense all game yesterday. He was ignored on offense in the 3rd Q. He had great position twice, he had okay position once, spun for what would have been a wide open alley oop once, and was ignored all four times. The four ignored plays if I recall resulted in 1 made shot, 1 turnover, and 2 deep bricks by the Knicks.

He's putting in work, he's a bit slow with his timing, rusty with his hands/feet, but if he just keeps playing regardless he will start to look better after about 10 games or so. Thing is, he MUST play no matter the circumstances. Duhon needs to get his head out of his ass and feed him the ball when he's in position to do good with it - no matter the play that was on his mind. If Eddy gets position you give him the damn ball. Stupid Duhon.

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11/22/2009  10:50 AM
I think they were trying 10 min in the third when the lead went down from 14 to 1.
Eddy is not ready for real game... I have doubts he ever will be.
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11/22/2009  10:54 AM
SFX: (suck up alert)

Cosmic - not only are you the provider of juicy game footage, your accurate charting of Curry's trips down the floor on offense against the Nets was remarkable for its crisp detail.

Your insight reminds us of the prime directive. Forget the score and forget watching the basketball. Any NBA scout, like any good defender, would watch his man like a hawk WITHOUT the ball. For me, it is not Curry's point production so much as his body language. Positive "body language" is measured in "hands up", how aggressively he jockeys for position and the number of quick and deadly elbows he throws without getting caught.

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11/22/2009  11:00 AM
NBA Scouting Report

from GM arkrud - "Eddy is not ready for real game... I have doubts he ever will be."

to arkrud - can you please detail what exactly about Eddy Curry's recent cameos makes your say that?

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11/22/2009  11:35 AM
misterearl wrote:NBA Scouting Report

from GM arkrud - "Eddy is not ready for real game... I have doubts he ever will be."

to arkrud - can you please detail what exactly about Eddy Curry's recent cameos makes your say that?

Body language is nice measuring point... but I need some more facts.
For now he is minus on the court. When he will be a plus once in a while I may gamble some money on him.
If I am NBA GM, why I will even borther to think about this dude... unles I am Knicks GM, and my nightmires don't let me to forget.

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11/22/2009  11:36 AM
Fearless Prediction: Expect Eddy To Fight Back

Kendrick Perkins is a dirty player.

Perkins was ejected from a Jan 30, 2009 game against the Pistons after drawing a flagrant 2 foul midway through the fourth quarter. Perkins was ejected for slamming his arm down on Jason Maxiell's neck. He had nine points and seven rebounds before leaving.

The Garden crowd needs to see some "fight-back" from just one Knicks player.

I nominate Eddy

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11/22/2009  11:40 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/22/2009  11:45 AM
arkrud - I can't make your point for you.

It is YOUR responsibility to come up with the current "facts" or concise observations, based on Curry's RECENT performance, to validate YOUR position that he is "not ready for real game" as you state.

I find it amusing that you will criticize Eddy Curry for being lazy, or lacking motivation, or not working hard - yet you do not have anything more to offer than an empty one line response to a question that invites a detailed response.

Who is the lazy one?

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11/22/2009  12:04 PM
Arkrud is just buggin out Misterearl, he has no clue what he's talking about in this instance. Eddy has been doing OK for a guy that hasn't played in a long time. He would do so much better if we had a PG.
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11/22/2009  12:13 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/22/2009  12:14 PM
If I'm an NBA GM, I wouldn't put too much ctock into what happens now. I'd be watching to see how he looks and plays during a long road trip near the deadline. You know, when it's easy to polish off four triple bacon cheeseburgers and remember, "hey, I don't need to play hard--I'm 6'11" and some moron will pay me Eric Dampier money when I become a UFA!!!"
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11/22/2009  12:18 PM
misterearl wrote:SFX: (suck up alert)

Cosmic - not only are you the provider of juicy game footage, your accurate charting of Curry's trips down the floor on offense against the Nets was remarkable for its crisp detail.

Your insight reminds us of the prime directive. Forget the score and forget watching the basketball. Any NBA scout, like any good defender, would watch his man like a hawk WITHOUT the ball. For me, it is not Curry's point production so much as his body language. Positive "body language" is measured in "hands up", how aggressively he jockeys for position and the number of quick and deadly elbows he throws without getting caught.

"Oh, pardon me ... is that your tooth on the floor?"


This is something that a lot of posters on UK never do, IMO, although lets face it, you miss some of the game when you are doing it. I've been doing this for Hill, Gallinari, and Douglas this year, to the detriment of my viewing experience at times, but you learn a lot about the player (and the game)from doing it. I'll probably start doing it for Curry, now.


As for Curry:

He is not yet in BB shape. No big deal at this point, IMO. You can see a lack of explosiveness, and his moves are unsure at times, but he is not even in early pre-pre-season camp shape, for goodness sake.

He is showing some toughness, and seems to be showing the effort, both good signs, and he seems to have a determined look.

This is a topic that should be put aside for 3 wks to a month, and then revisited.

So far I'm encouraged.

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11/22/2009  12:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/22/2009  12:43 PM
Paladin - excellent commentary.

The tangibles of his game conditioning and confidence are valuable observations.

I contend that Mr Curry would benefit from something "intangible" to elevate him to "most favored" status at Madison Square Garden. Toughness is a good word. We loved Oak for his toughness. Not his rebounding, his jump shooting or his purple suits. We loved him for his toughness. If Eddy's determined look could be translated to a purposeful technical foul or two I would be all over it.

Giving Kendrick Perkins a hard shot in the neck would be a great start.

Pal55, you suggestion to revisit the topic in February has been noted in the record. Good idea.

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11/22/2009  3:06 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/22/2009  3:46 PM
Bootleg Post of The Day

enyspree - "Shout out to Eddy Curry attracting attention inside and opening up the perimeter and taking the defense off of Harrington especially....HELLOOOOOOO!!!!! ARE YOU WATCHING THE GAME FELLAS?"

Classic Knicks passion.

Meanwhile, Mr Curry plays 16 minutes in regulation. Up from 10 in his last game. His reinvention takes another step in the right direction

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11/22/2009  6:16 PM
nixluva wrote:Arkrud is just buggin out Misterearl, he has no clue what he's talking about in this instance. Eddy has been doing OK for a guy that hasn't played in a long time. He would do so much better if we had a PG.

Yep - you right....
I have no facts that Eddy is doing something bad, but earl has no facts that he is doing anything good.
So I guess our arguments are equally useless..

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11/22/2009  6:58 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/22/2009  7:05 PM
"Curry, newly slimmed down and again an active participant, got a warm ovation when he entered the game in the first quarter. It was his first appearance at the Garden since March 2008, and just his third this season. He clearly still has much work to do. Curry played unevenly in 16 minutes, but he drew plenty of defensive attention in the post and scored on a nice jump hook that tied the game at 77-77 late in the third.

Because of his big contract and his conditioning issues, Curry has been an occasional target of the Garden crowd. He seems to have earned a reprieve."

- Howard Beck, NYT

“I think fans will appreciate what he can bring and how (Curry) looks and where we can go with it,” D’Antoni said.

arkrud - I understand that English is your second language, so due to your lack of comprehension skills and vocabulary, I'm going to go easy on you. However, your absolute refusal to drink from a diverse wellspring of basketball expertise or accept nuanced critique as a means to expand your knowledge base cannot be excused. Simply stated, if I yell "switch" you are supposed to release your man and cover the man setting the pick. Got it?

For example, I'm going to bootleg my own words and offer that Eddy's 505 game career averaging 13.5 and 5.3 rebounds ( along with sample 06-07 season of a quality 19.5 and 7) are two valid benchmarks for his 2009 - 10 growth chart. Lets tack those numbers on the wall. Are you still with me?

Now, with 19.5 and 7 (posted by Eddy Fat) as the growth red line, would you consider that Eddy Slim Fast can match his career average or his 2007 totals - with a healthy outlook, based on the following:

Confidence - the maturation process along with enduring personal tragedy

Toughness - sweat equity earned in the gym and under the glare of Broadway lights

Determination - dropping more than 70 pounds requires more than a colon cleanser

Athleticism - relearning how to move with his lighter body and without the burden of Baby Shaq expectations

As paladin55 states, "So far I'm encouraged."

See you in three months?

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11/22/2009  7:16 PM
Eddy played w/nice energy today & was really fighting w/Rasheed Wallace for position downlow... i dunno WTF happened to Eddy but he hasn't looked this motivated & busy on the floor since that season he was considered for Allstar selection.

he's still very rusty but he's still got the ability to get his shots off downlow when he gets the ball & his footwork looks good.

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11/22/2009  9:01 PM
misterearl wrote:"Curry, newly slimmed down and again an active participant, got a warm ovation when he entered the game in the first quarter. It was his first appearance at the Garden since March 2008, and just his third this season. He clearly still has much work to do. Curry played unevenly in 16 minutes, but he drew plenty of defensive attention in the post and scored on a nice jump hook that tied the game at 77-77 late in the third.

Because of his big contract and his conditioning issues, Curry has been an occasional target of the Garden crowd. He seems to have earned a reprieve."

- Howard Beck, NYT

“I think fans will appreciate what he can bring and how (Curry) looks and where we can go with it,” D’Antoni said.

arkrud - I understand that English is your second language, so due to your lack of comprehension skills and vocabulary, I'm going to go easy on you. However, your absolute refusal to drink from a diverse wellspring of basketball expertise or accept nuanced critique as a means to expand your knowledge base cannot be excused. Simply stated, if I yell "switch" you are supposed to release your man and cover the man setting the pick. Got it?

For example, I'm going to bootleg my own words and offer that Eddy's 505 game career averaging 13.5 and 5.3 rebounds ( along with sample 06-07 season of a quality 19.5 and 7) are two valid benchmarks for his 2009 - 10 growth chart. Lets tack those numbers on the wall. Are you still with me?

Now, with 19.5 and 7 (posted by Eddy Fat) as the growth red line, would you consider that Eddy Slim Fast can match his career average or his 2007 totals - with a healthy outlook, based on the following:

Confidence - the maturation process along with enduring personal tragedy

Toughness - sweat equity earned in the gym and under the glare of Broadway lights

Determination - dropping more than 70 pounds requires more than a colon cleanser

Athleticism - relearning how to move with his lighter body and without the burden of Baby Shaq expectations

As paladin55 states, "So far I'm encouraged."

See you in three months?

OK... OK... You are right. I cannot drink from a diverse wellspring of basketball expertise... but I can drink 8 double-shots of wodka and still have intellectual conversation with you man...

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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11/22/2009  11:25 PM
arkrud - If The Answer Man even looked at 8 double-shots of wodka he would be a walking zombie. But just to be crystal clear, none of these conversations are intellectual. We cheer our personal favorites and really don't care what anyone says. It's cool.

I love a good comeback story and am pulling for Mr Curry to get it right.

The Knicks desperately need a 6'11 player in the paint who can create more space for the perimeter players and post up. He should be strong enough to not get pushed around on defense. If that dude could average about 14 points and 9 rebounds I would be very happy.

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11/22/2009  11:26 PM
misterearl wrote:arkrud - If The Answer Man even looked at 8 double-shots of wodka he would be a walking zombie. But just to be crystal clear, none of these conversations are intellectual. We cheer our personal favorites and really don't care what anyone says. It's cool.

I love a good comeback story and am pulling for Mr Curry to get it right.

The Knicks desperately need a 6'11 player in the paint who can create more space for the perimeter players and post up. He should be strong enough to not get pushed around on defense. If that dude could average about 14 points and 9 rebounds I would be very happy.

Now you are talking... and I am with you 100% on this...

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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