Bad coach--cannot get same result with same opportunity

What was the fundamental change by signing Iversen--sits Duhon down--nothing else. That's all it was an upgrade at a position of weakness--how does this effect 2010 plan? That game where we were down 19 and pacers relaxed--fool's gold.

CrushAlot wrote:I think Adelman recognizes that he has to game plan for each team to give his team an opportunity to win. I think they know that they have to work hard on both ends of the court and get easy baskets when they can. I think D'Antoni relies on a 'system' and the game plan doesn't change day to day or with personnel. Adelman is coaching to win. D'Antoni is refusing to change and adjust. The game plan is the same for every team. What frustrates me is that he is getting a free pass despite his inability to coach, adjust, hold players accountable, play both ends of the floor etc. I know that his face shows that he is pained by losing but so does my face every night I watch the Knicks and every time I see him speak. Is Alvin Gentry a good coach or is it Steve Nash, Amare and company? D'Antoni sucks @ss in my opinion and I wish he would be held accountable.

d'antoni has been such a disspointment to me. i thought this guy was awesome and wanted him in toronto. but it's really obvious that without nash, the guy doesn't even look like an average coach. nash is gonna give alvin gentry the same rep as d'antoni at this rate.

CrushAlot wrote:I think Adelman recognizes that he has to game plan for each team to give his team an opportunity to win. I think they know that they have to work hard on both ends of the court and get easy baskets when they can. I think D'Antoni relies on a 'system' and the game plan doesn't change day to day or with personnel. Adelman is coaching to win. D'Antoni is refusing to change and adjust. The game plan is the same for every team. What frustrates me is that he is getting a free pass despite his inability to coach, adjust, hold players accountable, play both ends of the floor etc. I know that his face shows that he is pained by losing but so does my face every night I watch the Knicks and every time I see him speak. Is Alvin Gentry a good coach or is it Steve Nash, Amare and company? D'Antoni sucks @ss in my opinion and I wish he would be held accountable.

So MDA is a system guy. It's not like Gentry isn't benefiting from what MDA built. MDA is the one that taught Nash to play the way he's doing in PHX. He's pretty much a coach on the floor at this point. What does Gentry have to really do?

Here MDA is not just looking at the win/loss column but also trying to prep his young guys that will most likely be here when things get better. He wants them to be well groomed in his system and good BB in general. MDA builds smart players that can recognize the openings and exploit them. Some of our guys have got it and most don't, but don't assume that he's not a good coach cuz we've got more BB illiterate players than we should.

I actually respect him more for trying to get them to play the right way. LB was doing that and still does that in his new job. The teams don't always win right away, but you have to establish a good foundation. If you just change with the wind to suit weak players that aren't gonna be here what does that benefit you. Also Adelman has a different situation than MDA. MDA has a free hall pass cuz we know it's not about this year. If MDA's job was on the line i'm sure he'd do more adjusting, which he has actually dumbed down his system to fit who we have. Don't get it twisted. We haven't seen his system in full effect since he got here. We don't have the horses.

CrushAlot wrote:I think Adelman recognizes that he has to game plan for each team to give his team an opportunity to win. I think they know that they have to work hard on both ends of the court and get easy baskets when they can. I think D'Antoni relies on a 'system' and the game plan doesn't change day to day or with personnel. Adelman is coaching to win. D'Antoni is refusing to change and adjust. The game plan is the same for every team. What frustrates me is that he is getting a free pass despite his inability to coach, adjust, hold players accountable, play both ends of the floor etc. I know that his face shows that he is pained by losing but so does my face every night I watch the Knicks and every time I see him speak. Is Alvin Gentry a good coach or is it Steve Nash, Amare and company? D'Antoni sucks @ss in my opinion and I wish he would be held accountable.

Dude, I love Rick Adelman. I was posting that I wanted him here a few seasons ago. Like you say, Adelman takes what he has to work with and then makes the best of it. It's too bad he did not get their earlier or he might have gotten them a championship before Yao became so injury-prone. Van Gundy (Who is a sh!tty coach) had that team struggling to score 80 points with McGrady and Yao. Van Gundy sucks too, and he isn't a good defensive coach. That is fiction.

I don't know if the Rockets will be good when all is said and done but Adelman will have them playing to their potential whatever it is.

D'Antoni is not a good coach. All he has is a stupid system which has been proven to not work by other coaches many times before. If he doesn't have all the right players, he is left with nothing. This guy is a coaches son, he played for 20 years, and he has no game plan other than to shoot a ton of 3's, and because they are worth 1.5 times as much as a regular shot he thinks he can win. His whole system is based on a mathematical formula which fails to recognize how the game actually works.

D'Antoni was hired because Dolan wanted to give dumb-ass fans another star to pin their hopes on. And the fans fall for it again and again. D'Antoni is not making the Knicks good. Iverson is not making the Knicks good. Stop falling for the same sh!t over and over again! Only building a team properly will make the Knicks good. Shortcuts only work once in a blue moon.

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djsunyc wrote:darko's ass is glued to the bench. that's on d'antoni for playing F'd up rotations.

Hahn did remark on that in one of his posts this post week... seemed to indicate that Darko was very happy being on the end of the bench and/or could care less. Dude practically has sign on his neck saying that he wants to go to Europe.

djsunyc wrote:again, i have not once talked about winning. i know you need talent to win. but down 20 every game is not acceptable.

oh fair enough. in that case, the Knicks do suck. but how many times can you tell a player to not make a bad decision? harrington, hughes, jj have been told their whole careers, do you think they change in overnight?

MDA definitely not taking a team and coaching past their collective talent, if that's what you are getting to.

djsunyc wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I think Adelman recognizes that he has to game plan for each team to give his team an opportunity to win. I think they know that they have to work hard on both ends of the court and get easy baskets when they can. I think D'Antoni relies on a 'system' and the game plan doesn't change day to day or with personnel. Adelman is coaching to win. D'Antoni is refusing to change and adjust. The game plan is the same for every team. What frustrates me is that he is getting a free pass despite his inability to coach, adjust, hold players accountable, play both ends of the floor etc. I know that his face shows that he is pained by losing but so does my face every night I watch the Knicks and every time I see him speak. Is Alvin Gentry a good coach or is it Steve Nash, Amare and company? D'Antoni sucks @ss in my opinion and I wish he would be held accountable.

D'Antoni has been such a disspointment to me. i thought this guy was awesome and wanted him in toronto. but it's really obvious that without nash, the guy doesn't even look like an average coach. nash is gonna give alvin gentry the same rep as d'antoni at this rate.

Are you putting the cart before the horse in your MDA assessment? Yes, he needs a running team and a ball distributor at the 1, which he thought we had in Duhon. Without those players, he looks like a bad coach. But he's really just a coach with bad players. That's going to change.

Adding a huge ego in AI, a guy who takes 22+ spg, one who is as much a rental as the other expirings we got, just to tickle the balls of a few desperate fans? Doesn't seem like a worthy gamble to me. Let the young guys ball, let's see them step up. It's now about preparing for next year. We should win games. I think Eddie is going to help in that regard. Next year we will have some new players. How's this team look:

Rubio
Joe Johnson
Lebron
Gallo
Bosh

That's attainable by 2011 with some luck. If we trade Curry this season, that's attainable by next year (minus Rubio, who won't yet be eligible). I see Bosh and Johnson as a bit less than max players, especially if the salary reductions I've been reading about come true.

It's not a certainty that the Knicks are going to suck for the indefinite future. They could work something out. Then MDA isn't a bad coach anymore? When his shyte works because he has a good team, then he is a good coach? You're logic is circular and convenient. Gripers here are just frustrated as hell, and I completely understand. It's been rough.

Let the young Knicks grind a bit. Even if we're 2 and 18, as long as the guys we are keeping come to play, I am committed to this plan wholeheartedly.

CrushAlot wrote:I have no problem with letting the young Knicks work things out and I hope that they get playing time. My problem is with the coach and a system that is not adjusted to its roster or opponents. I think Alvin Gentry is a horrible coach and should never have anything other than interim or assistant in front of his name but he is very successful with Nash and Amare. D'Antoni is not a good coach or an innovator. He is so rigid in his system that he cannot make the adjustments needed to help his players win. He talks about defense but his defense is based on good individual defenders like Raja Bell making plays. Coaches game plan, they don't go out with the same plan for every team and they adjust to their roster.

I can't believe you wrote this! MDA not an innovator? According to who, you? The best coaches in the game would beg to differ with you. The best players in the game who learned from him on the Olympic team would disagree with you. Man his defense is a very effective and complimentary concept to his offense. What book was written about an offense you came up with?