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Donnie passes on AI & PEJ, but he signs Chris Duhon & Anthony Roberson to multiyear deals
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11/20/2009  2:17 PM
i'm trying to reason to myself why Donnie refuses to throw Knicks fans a bone w/moves to bring guys who would bring a little excitement to the Garden (sentimentally in PEJ's case), but has no problem in investing multiyear contracts on stopgap filler like Duhon & Robersuck... at the very least if we're gonna suck, give the fans someone they can watch & be entertained by... it wasn't gonna hurt the 2010 plan & worst case scenario if AI came in & became a disruption, they could have easily waived him again... all this stuff about concerns about AI destroying team chemistry is a joke... as if our team chemistry right now is bringing about any results in terms of W's this year... come on Donnie, Knick fans aren't that stupid.

Donnie Walsh better have some really gangsta moves up his sleeve this summer cuz so far the only really good moves he's made as GM are dumping Zach & Jamal's contracts as far as i'm concerned... the jury's still out on his draft picks Gallinari, Hill & Douglas, & he passed up on the opportunity to trade our best assets Lee & Nate last year when he could have been more aggressively shopping those guys to bring back some future assets or to unload 1 of our bad contracts... hiring MDA has not netted any positive results either at this point other than Dinglebury being kicked to the curb... our team is still a laughing stock, we're still searching for a regular rotation to play during games & guys are still confused about their roles after over a full season playing in this system... how long does Knicks' management expect their fans to remain patient while their team is consistently 1 of the worst in the NBA?

i'm not saying Walsh has done a horrible job yet until i see what happens after this season, but he needs to make some big things happen after this season is over cuz right now my patience is about at an end w/this total lack of action on his part to fix the mess we're in... we need to see some positive results in terms of wins, no more talk about things getting better... when do things actually get better? next year is year 3 of the Walsh/MDA regime... if this team isn't contending for the playoffs in 2010, i think it's fair to say the Walsh/MDA experiment was a failure.

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11/20/2009  2:31 PM
After watching some of Suns/Hornets and Lakers/Bulls last night, I was reminded of what basketball looks like.....MDA's system sucks. Bring back Jeff Van Gundy and his Honda Civic.

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11/20/2009  2:38 PM
PEJ has been hurt and out of basketball for about a year.
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11/20/2009  2:40 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/20/2009  2:41 PM
martin wrote:PEJ has been hurt and out of basketball for about a year.

dude, i'm talking about when he & Robersuck were both options for us before last season... instead of throwing Knick fans a bone by bringing in the sentimental favorite, he goes w/an undersized shooter who can't shoot... we were gonna suck regardless, at least give the fans something to cheer about is what i'm saying... it doesn't hurt the 2010 plan... ur still gonna defend that decision?

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11/20/2009  2:50 PM
If Iverson is that big of a nightmare to deal with, which I am figuring maybe he is, then maybe Walsh felt it just wasn't worth it. Even Dolan seems to agree with that, and he wants nothing more than to puts fans in the seats.

That's the only reasoning that seems to make sense to me.

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11/20/2009  2:57 PM
It's about playing time, touches, and development for the young'ins. AI would be a bone for the fans, nothing more. While I sympathize with those who want some sports entertainment between baseball seasons, it's not sensible for our team to stunt the kids' development just so we can watch a few wicked crossovers.

Rebuilding sucks. But you naysayers will be riding DW's bone by 2011 and squealing like little girls, giddy with excitement, saying "Give me more, big Daddy, make it hurt". It's just going to take a couple years to get there from here.

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11/20/2009  3:05 PM
i'm not a naysayer, i'm still holding out hope that Donnie lays the bukkake on NY just like u, trust me... but 2010/11 has nothing to do w/this decision to pass on AI... i don't agree that replacing Duhon w/AI stunts our kids' development... in fact i think it helps in that regard... they get to see someone who's actually really good at what he does... they gain confidence in being a better basketball team overall... they feel a sense of optimism that the franchise is trying whatever it can to improve the team... i think all these things are positives... the only possible negative is that AI brings the media circus & doesn't get along w/MDA... in that case u give him the Dinglebury treatment... saying you're "looking into it" when AI becomes available & then to have reports say that it's almost 90% that he's signing here only to nix the deal in the 11th hour just makes us look stupid if u ask me... mine as well have said from the start we weren't interested in AI's services & not get Knicks' fans' hopes up.
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11/20/2009  3:10 PM
Moonangie wrote:It's about playing time, touches, and development for the young'ins. AI would be a bone for the fans, nothing more. While I sympathize with those who want some sports entertainment between baseball seasons, it's not sensible for our team to stunt the kids' development just so we can watch a few wicked crossovers.

Rebuilding sucks. But you naysayers will be riding DW's bone by 2011 and squealing like little girls, giddy with excitement, saying "Give me more, big Daddy, make it hurt". It's just going to take a couple years to get there from here.

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11/20/2009  4:47 PM
TMS wrote:i'm not a naysayer, i'm still holding out hope that Donnie lays the bukkake on NY just like u, trust me... but 2010/11 has nothing to do w/this decision to pass on AI... i don't agree that replacing Duhon w/AI stunts our kids' development... in fact i think it helps in that regard... they get to see someone who's actually really good at what he does... they gain confidence in being a better basketball team overall... they feel a sense of optimism that the franchise is trying whatever it can to improve the team... i think all these things are positives... the only possible negative is that AI brings the media circus & doesn't get along w/MDA... in that case u give him the Dinglebury treatment... saying you're "looking into it" when AI becomes available & then to have reports say that it's almost 90% that he's signing here only to nix the deal in the 11th hour just makes us look stupid if u ask me... mine as well have said from the start we weren't interested in AI's services & not get Knicks' fans' hopes up.

Duhon shares the ball, AI holds the ball until he can shoot. Duhon doesn't mind coming off the bench. AI will cry like a sick cat. As far as the reports go, since when do any of us feel confident in reports about signings or trades in the press.

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11/20/2009  4:48 PM
joec32033 wrote:
Moonangie wrote:It's about playing time, touches, and development for the young'ins. AI would be a bone for the fans, nothing more. While I sympathize with those who want some sports entertainment between baseball seasons, it's not sensible for our team to stunt the kids' development just so we can watch a few wicked crossovers.

Rebuilding sucks. But you naysayers will be riding DW's bone by 2011 and squealing like little girls, giddy with excitement, saying "Give me more, big Daddy, make it hurt". It's just going to take a couple years to get there from here.

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11/20/2009  5:49 PM
we shoulda just committed to developing the youth from the very beginning instead of trying to remain competitive... if we went all in on a rebuild last year we would have been in a much better situation right now, most likely with a top 5 prospect in last year's draft & additional draft picks to use in the upcoming draft this year after trading off Lee & Nate w/perhaps Fishlips' contract off our roster as well.

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11/20/2009  6:09 PM
TMS wrote:we shoulda just committed to developing the youth from the very beginning instead of trying to remain competitive... if we went all in on a rebuild last year we would have been in a much better situation right now, most likely with a top 5 prospect in last year's draft & additional draft picks to use in the upcoming draft this year after trading off Lee & Nate w/perhaps Fishlips' contract off our roster as well.

I TRIED TO WARN YOU!!!

That's one of those debatable issues. To tank or not to tank. You make it sound like we could actually have gotten rid of all our big contracts without trying to win 1st. We had to get Zach and Jamal looking good in order to move them. When we were losing big, no one wanted to make deals with us. At least not a deal that didn't continue to keep us in cap hell.

If we make too much of not signing guys like PEJ instead of a Roberson, then I think we're just getting into the minutia of the road to rebuilding. Those players are fringe guys so who cares about how that turned out? The business end of what Walsh has done has left us with a huge amount of cap space when we need it most. We actually have a chance to showcase Curry and tho I don't personally think it'll work, it's worth trying to get him going and see if someone bites. With Duhon still here we know he's not gonna take any shots away from Curry or any of the kids. Yeah he's stunk, but he's safe in terms of any kind of circus stuff.

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11/20/2009  6:33 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/20/2009  6:40 PM
Whats worse, A.I ballhogging for a year to take our mind off the misery that is the 09-10 season, or watching Chris Duhon for two years who doesnt even belong in the league at this point?

Thats just fukked up to do that to a loyal fanbase. Make us watch Duhon. I'm serious. Imagine if you're a cat that is paying dollars to watch Knicks home game in those goody-good seats. I'm paying how much to watch this fool?

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11/20/2009  6:35 PM
I dont get it. Walsh said he wants to rebuild but at the same time remain competitive. Well we are 2-9 and definitely not competitive. He has an option to pick up Iverson who can clearly make this team better and at the same time will not interfere with the rebuilding plan of 2010....And Walsh passes on the opportunity. This team is unwatchable. Not only do people watch sports to see their favorite team get W's but people also like to be entertained. We aint getting W's and this team definitely aint entertaining. Iverson is def one of the most entertaining players in the league.
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11/20/2009  7:36 PM
Uptown wrote:I dont get it. Walsh said he wants to rebuild but at the same time remain competitive. Well we are 2-9 and definitely not competitive. He has an option to pick up Iverson who can clearly make this team better and at the same time will not interfere with the rebuilding plan of 2010....And Walsh passes on the opportunity. This team is unwatchable. Not only do people watch sports to see their favorite team get W's but people also like to be entertained. We aint getting W's and this team definitely aint entertaining. Iverson is def one of the most entertaining players in the league.

that's exactly my point... last year it was all about remaining competitive while rebuilding, so he justifies his moves to get veterans like Al Harrington & Larry Hughes w/that explanation... now all of a sudden our priority is on developing our young guys so he passes on signing AI... so which is it?... i think it's pretty obvious the Knicks passed because either Dolan or MDA had no desire to deal with the potential headaches that AI would bring to the table, so don't sell us on this stuff about wanting to develop our young guys, cuz if that was the case scrubs like Fishlips & now Duhon wouldn't be seeing the light of day off the bench right now.

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11/20/2009  7:49 PM
nixluva wrote:
TMS wrote:we shoulda just committed to developing the youth from the very beginning instead of trying to remain competitive... if we went all in on a rebuild last year we would have been in a much better situation right now, most likely with a top 5 prospect in last year's draft & additional draft picks to use in the upcoming draft this year after trading off Lee & Nate w/perhaps Fishlips' contract off our roster as well.

I TRIED TO WARN YOU!!!

That's one of those debatable issues. To tank or not to tank. You make it sound like we could actually have gotten rid of all our big contracts without trying to win 1st. We had to get Zach and Jamal looking good in order to move them. When we were losing big, no one wanted to make deals with us. At least not a deal that didn't continue to keep us in cap hell.

If we make too much of not signing guys like PEJ instead of a Roberson, then I think we're just getting into the minutia of the road to rebuilding. Those players are fringe guys so who cares about how that turned out? The business end of what Walsh has done has left us with a huge amount of cap space when we need it most. We actually have a chance to showcase Curry and tho I don't personally think it'll work, it's worth trying to get him going and see if someone bites. With Duhon still here we know he's not gonna take any shots away from Curry or any of the kids. Yeah he's stunk, but he's safe in terms of any kind of circus stuff.

i've been a proponent of tanking ever since i started posting on Knicks forums... i knew this team wasn't gonna compete w/the talent they had, so we would be better off biting the bullet completely for a season & trying to increase our chances of landing a top young talent to build around through the draft... instead the Knicks chose to trade our #7 pick & Camby for Antonio McKnee & won just enough games to draft Mike "The Truth" Sweetney instead of guys like Lebron, Wade, Melo & Bosh in consecutive seasons... look where that's gotten this franchise... let's face it, if we had gone all in on a complete rebuild when Donnie took over we would have just dumped Zach & Jamal for any old expirings & whatever picks we could get our hands on... instead they tried to get players who could still contribute & help this team win games in Harrington, Mobley & Hughes who also had expiring contracts... well if that was the plan then i see no reason they they passed on signing AI now, he would have fit into that mold perfectly... a veteran player on a 1 year deal who could have helped this team win some games this year while not sacrificing the 2010 plan... obviously there were other factors that made the Knicks pass on AI than the excuse Donnie's trying to sell us on now.

& it's not the fact that it was a big deal in choosing Robersuck over PEJ, rather that neither move was going to help this team much regardless so why not choose the avenue that would please Knick fans more? that's what i don't get... Donnie Walsh couldn't have been so stupid as to think a scrub like Robersuck was gonna have much of an impact on this team, so why not bring Ewing's kid in here & give Knick fans someone to cheer for? throw the fans a bone for God's sakes.

as for showcasing Curry to increase his value, signing AI would have been way more beneficial towards achieving that goal than staying the course w/Duhon would if u ask me... AI & Curry in the P&R is something i would be very interested in watching... i think AI would have made Curry look so much better than Duhon ever could.

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11/20/2009  7:57 PM
all i know is Donnie better have some serious moves up his sleeves that fit into the plan he wants to implement & those moves better get this team back to contention w/a quickness, cuz i just can't deal with another 3 year run of complete futility only to end up right back here talking about how we need to rebuild this franchise again.
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11/20/2009  9:55 PM
I think both of those moves fall right on the coach. Walsh is at fault because he had the final say but those were D'Antoni guys and Walsh went out and got them. The other guy that falls on D'Antoni is Gallo.
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11/21/2009  10:43 AM
Moonangie wrote:It's about playing time, touches, and development for the young'ins. AI would be a bone for the fans, nothing more. While I sympathize with those who want some sports entertainment between baseball seasons, it's not sensible for our team to stunt the kids' development just so we can watch a few wicked crossovers.

Rebuilding sucks. But you naysayers will be riding DW's bone by 2011 and squealing like little girls, giddy with excitement, saying "Give me more, big Daddy, make it hurt". It's just going to take a couple years to get there from here.

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Don't you think it's time to give the fans a bone?

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11/21/2009  11:30 AM
Papabear wrote:
Moonangie wrote:It's about playing time, touches, and development for the young'ins. AI would be a bone for the fans, nothing more. While I sympathize with those who want some sports entertainment between baseball seasons, it's not sensible for our team to stunt the kids' development just so we can watch a few wicked crossovers.

Rebuilding sucks. But you naysayers will be riding DW's bone by 2011 and squealing like little girls, giddy with excitement, saying "Give me more, big Daddy, make it hurt". It's just going to take a couple years to get there from here.

Papabear Says

Don't you think it's time to give the fans a bone?

Some would argue that the Knicks have been giving fans the ol' bone for years now.

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Donnie passes on AI & PEJ, but he signs Chris Duhon & Anthony Roberson to multiyear deals

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