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If *LBJ & Wade fails for NYK 2010, NY will turn attention to C.Bosh & Joe Johnson in 2010
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11/18/2009  2:54 AM
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KNICKs 2010 Plan B ? BOSH & JOHNSON
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/post/Knicks-turning-2010-attention-to-Chris-Bosh-and-?urn=nba,202059

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11/18/2009  3:16 AM
I doubt Bosh joins the Knicks. I think he is leaning towards Miami or Chicago. Joe Johnson will be 29 this summer, so I doubt we go after him. I also would have thought Stoudamire would come here but PHX is on fire right now so he might stay there.
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11/18/2009  9:20 AM
Rudy Gay is really the interesting person to me in this offseason. If we offer him anything more than $10 million per, then I'd say you have decent odds that Memphis doesn't match.

I would at least try to sign and trade him if I were Memphis.

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OJ/Sam Young
Gay/ Arthur
Zach/Carrol
Thabeet/Gasol

That's a lot of talent for Memphis, and a lot of young talent and then they'll have 3 more picks in the first round next year.

You'd think that they have to clear room for those guys. If they think they're a contender I guess they could sign Gay, and then package the picks for a big-time point like Chris Paul. If we had talent like that on our roster people would be losing their sheet.

I'd be pretty shocked if they tried to make moves for veteran players.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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11/18/2009  9:49 AM
Who should be our 2010 targets?

MAX Players
LeBron James
Dwayne Wade

Close to MAX
Chris Bosh
Joe Johnson
Carlos Boozer? maybe a little less than Bosh and Joe

MLE Type
Jesus Shuttleworth
Tyrus Thomas (RFA)

LLE Type
Eddie House
Sergio Rodriguez (RFA)


Anybody else?

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11/18/2009  10:01 AM
It's more complex than that. If you don't get the big time players, then you have to look at trades or look to sign another rental squad for a year. That is the problem with this plan. If you can't hit it on 2010, then you kinda have to keep running out joke teams until some Summer when you get a big-time player to sign.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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11/18/2009  10:29 AM
JohnWallace44 wrote:It's more complex than that. If you don't get the big time players, then you have to look at trades or look to sign another rental squad for a year. That is the problem with this plan. If you can't hit it on 2010, then you kinda have to keep running out joke teams until some Summer when you get a big-time player to sign.

I don't see it as a problem. To build you need to follow a plan and not waffle like Zeke and Layden.

Donnie wanted to purge bad contracts and be ready for 2010 and 2011 - Done.
Donnie wanted to rid the team of knuckleheads - Done.
Donnie wanted to build his team via the draft - Done? Everyone can argue about his draft acumen, but he does have Gallo, Hill(rated high by a lot during the draft) and bought the rights to TD.

The Boston Celtics sucked balls before KG came and they got him and Ray Allen via trading their questionable youth. They were lucky that they had a Celtic running things in Minny at that time.

So...to build a team...you need a plan and stick to it....and you need to be lucky as well.

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11/18/2009  10:36 AM
Its like what I have been saying. We would be lucky to grab some scrub next Summer at the rate we are going. These guys want the money that comes with NYC but winning a championship is more important to these guys. LeBron said it himself. Dont get your hopes up.
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11/18/2009  10:41 AM
if you combine those players with well scouted purched first rounders (like Douglas) and a money deal for our expiring contracts (JJ/Curry) then you would have to feel pretty good about the team.

What if you signed Joe Johnson/Bosh
what if you traded Chandler/JJ skinny for Monta Ellis

Then your core of guys is Douglas/Ellis/Joe Johnson/Bosh/Gallo/Hill
Thats a decent group of guys to build a roster around. You still have Curry's deal to use for another money deal (AK47?), and hopefully Knicks can buy a couple of mid to late #1s and get some good rotation guys like they did w/ Douglas

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11/18/2009  11:50 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/18/2009  11:51 AM
NYKBocker wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:It's more complex than that. If you don't get the big time players, then you have to look at trades or look to sign another rental squad for a year. That is the problem with this plan. If you can't hit it on 2010, then you kinda have to keep running out joke teams until some Summer when you get a big-time player to sign.

...Donnie wanted to rid the team of knuckleheads - Done.

Nate is the biggest knucklehead in the NBA. Mofo may have ups, but his ass should be gone asap.

And I wouldn't call Jamal a knucklehead, he had a good brain for hoops and serious game. Just wasn't part of our plan.

Otherwise I agree with your points. We are on the right path forward, whether we get Lebron or somebody else. We will be fine. We are finally not pursuing the old style Layden/Zeke non-plan of losing without hope. At least now we're losing WITH hope, at least I am.

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11/18/2009  11:52 AM
nate hasn't been around for a while, so you kinda miss him. i wouldn't call him a knucklhead at this moment. we all miss little nate. i would cry if he left the knicks.
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11/18/2009  12:28 PM
I feel like the Summer is going to go down in a way that nobody expects. We'll end up having to build through trades instead of the FA's, or the FA's will come out with a coordinated plan already in place that blows everyone's mind like Kobe, LeBron and Bosh all going to one team or something.

Chandler's a great piece if you had better players around him. He just needs a more structured role. If you move him you've got to turn him into an impact player be it directly though the trade, or with his salary slot.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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11/18/2009  1:30 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:I feel like the Summer is going to go down in a way that nobody expects. We'll end up having to build through trades instead of the FA's, or the FA's will come out with a coordinated plan already in place that blows everyone's mind like Kobe, LeBron and Bosh all going to one team or something.

Chandler's a great piece if you had better players around him. He just needs a more structured role. If you move him you've got to turn him into an impact player be it directly though the trade, or with his salary slot.

Agreed. That would blow my mind!

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11/18/2009  1:49 PM
IF i'm Walsh, I have to make the case that here in NY there's nothing we wouldn't do to bring in help for any star that came. Let's say we convince Lebron to come, who wouldn't want to join him here? The fact that we can go after another max player in 2011 is another big selling point for a guy like Lebron. He knows we wouldn't be afraid of going over the cap either. It's not as bleak as it seems. In Cleveland i'm not so sure they'd be so eager to go over the cap. So even tho it's a weak roster at present, we have the double dip cap space in 2010 and 2011 in our favor, NY of course is always a nice plus and we aren't scared of going over the cap to make sure we get him all the help he needs.
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11/18/2009  1:52 PM
NYKBocker wrote:Who should be our 2010 targets?

MAX Players
LeBron James
Dwayne Wade

Close to MAX
Chris Bosh
Joe Johnson
Carlos Boozer? maybe a little less than Bosh and Joe

MLE Type
Jesus Shuttleworth
Tyrus Thomas (RFA)

LLE Type
Eddie House
Sergio Rodriguez (RFA)


Anybody else?

we won't have the MLE or LLE to use this summer... if we sign 2 big money FA's that's pretty much all we'll be doing this summer except for veteran's minimum type signings in terms of free agency.

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11/18/2009  4:28 PM
Panos wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:I feel like the Summer is going to go down in a way that nobody expects. We'll end up having to build through trades instead of the FA's, or the FA's will come out with a coordinated plan already in place that blows everyone's mind like Kobe, LeBron and Bosh all going to one team or something.

Chandler's a great piece if you had better players around him. He just needs a more structured role. If you move him you've got to turn him into an impact player be it directly though the trade, or with his salary slot.

Agreed. That would blow my mind!

If Kobe and LeBron remove themselves from their teams, and Orlando already screwed the pooch with their moves, and the Celts getting old... There would be nothing to stop them from winning championships no matter where they went right? Kobe's getting old, he could end up winning more rings than Bill Russell... Why hasn't he signed? All of those UFA guys have been acting a like they have something up their sleeves.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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11/18/2009  5:07 PM
what do you all think about this article? interesting read - i support the statements pretty much...


Memo to LeBron: MJ is doing fine without your help
By JIM LITKE | Posted: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 3:25 am | No Comments Posted


Memo to LeBron:

With all due respect, you're taking this "King James" thing too far.

Being a great player and one of the best talkers in the league doesn't mean every half-baked idea that pops into your head has to come out of your mouth. If all you want is a new number, say so. If it's more adulation, then just say that. There is enough of both left to go around.

If it's only the number, send a letter to the league office by March handing back No. 23, bring your marketing people into the loop and then show up next season _ wherever that turns out to be _ wearing No. 6.

It's that easy.

In the meantime, save your breath. Nobody is buying that ****amamie story about you wanting to make sure that Michael Jordan 's contributions to the game are "recognized in some way _ soon."

Jordan already has one of the most recognizable faces on the planet. He also owns six NBA rings, every other line in the record book, two Olympic golds, an NCAA championship, a statue in Chicago, a bust in the Hall of Fame and a fortune _ I could go on _ but perhaps most impressive, his name is, and always will be, part of the conversation whenever and wherever basketball is played.

He's done fine without your help.

And as long we're being brutally honest, the one thing you could do for him is to hang onto your old number. More than a few of us see it on your back and think, "That No. 23 is incredible ... but he's no Michael Jordan."

If it's any consolation, neither is anyone else. Kobe Bryant tried going down that road _ copying Jordan's walk, mannerisms and even his speech patterns _ but it turned out to be a dead end. It took him a while to figure it out, but you can't be like Mike, either _ at least not until you've got a half-dozen championships in the bag.

Being compared to him has to be more depressing still. My guess is that's what prompted this whole episode. You were in Miami the other night, with Jordan in the stands, yet all anybody talked about before the game was the announcement that Heat guard Dwayne Wade had been "hand-picked" by Michael to debut the 25th anniversary model of the popular Air Jordan sneaker line.

So you drop 34 points on the Heat, win the game, and come up with an homage of your own: a petition drive to get every player who wears No. 23 to give it up and retire the number league-wide. Never mind that NBA policy leaves the decision up to each team.

"I feel like no NBA player should wear 23," you said. "Nobody. If I'm not going to wear No. 23, then nobody else should be able to wear it."

Maybe it's just coincidence the dozen other players currently wearing the number are rookies or scrubs; or that a new No. 6 jersey might be the only way to nudge you back atop Kobe on the merchandise-sold list. But the first maneuver makes you look like a bully, and the second like a pawn in some viral marketing campaign.

Then again, maybe it's just part of your preparations for what's already been dubbed "The Summer of LeBron." You'll be an unrestricted free agent then, with an unfettered hand to write your own ticket in a town of your choosing. The higher-ups in Cleveland won't tell you to button it up at the moment because they won't risk aggravating you.

Apparently, you didn't hear the word 'no' often growing up, and there's no chance you'll hear it from the assembly of yes men surrounding you now. But you're a smart kid and besides, it's never too late to exercise a little self-control.

So do the rest of us a favor: no more carrying on about how you want to honor Jordan by taking off No. 23, or how you plan to begin honoring Julius Erving by putting on No. 6. More than a few of us see that number even now and think of Bill Russell first.

That's the problem with your whole plan.

There are great players in every era, but nearly every one of them won a few titles before they began regularly holding court. You're in the headlines almost every day, but you've been to the NBA Finals exactly once. As Magic coach Stan Van Gundy tried to explain, a little perspective in such matters goes a long way.

When Van Gundy heard about the plan to retire Jordan's number, he started making up a list. Even the shortest one would have to include Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Oscar, Dr. J, Magic and Bird.

"There were guys who could play the game before Michael. LeBron James didn't grow up watching those guys play," Van Gundy said.

"Pretty soon our players will be wearing 373. All the two-digit numbers will be taken."

The great thing about being a kid is that by Tuesday night, you'd already moved on to another topic _ offering to save the Cleveland Browns.

"If I put all my time and commitment into it, if I dedicated myself to the game of football, I could be really good," you said.

No doubt.

But the next time the temptation to talk about yourself arises, remember _ leave a little oxygen for the rest of us.

___

Jim Litke is a national sports columnist for The Associated Press. Write to him at jlitke(at)ap.org

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11/18/2009  5:17 PM
naa.. Lebron is OK. What has changed is how information is circulated. Every little tidbit makes it way to everyone because of the internet. I remember in the 90s actually buying the post and daily news and star ledger to read stuff about the Knicks. Now everything is everywhere so I think things have changed.
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11/18/2009  5:23 PM
the author of that article obviously forgot how much of an arrogant SOB Michael Jordan was too... Lebron is a big headed SOB in his own right but when u'r that talented & that good, u can afford to be.
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11/18/2009  5:24 PM
JJ3 is OK, but I want no part of Bosh. I'd rather save for Paul and Dwight in 2011.
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11/18/2009  5:24 PM
Paul & Dwight aren't FA's until 2012
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If *LBJ & Wade fails for NYK 2010, NY will turn attention to C.Bosh & Joe Johnson in 2010

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